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R-S-H
PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2013, 21:04    Post subject:

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Thanks for info.
I hate acting like a newb at 50 years of age.

Oh, no! Don't do this. Try to learn to (really) love to do new things - which comes mostly including the need to act like a newbie - even when you're 50. Laughing

Btw. six month's to go and I'm 50 years old too. I'm still a newbie in Linux but I love to do new things and to learn new things as well - my problem is to get bored quickly.

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The only thing I'm dealing with now is just the lack of RAM on this 10 year old 'all in one desktop". Started with 512MB and could only add another 512MB. I can't complain too much, it was give to me for free.

I think 1GB of RAM should be enough for the use of most of all programs. The main feature of the use of SFS files is possibility to unload them after use - which can not be done when program is installed from .pet file (unload from menu LazY Puppy).

Want to edit a picture with GIMP? Do a right-click (in ROX filer window) on the image and choose the GIMP entry. GIMP not installed? It downloads automatically, loads the SFS, runs the GIMP and loads the image - all you need to do is: work on the image!

Want to create an SFS from .pet file? Do a right-click onto the .pet files and choose 'Convert to SFS'.

Want to create an SFS file from collection of several .pet and/or .deb files? Put them in a directory and do a right-click onto the directory. Choose 'Combine to SFS' (or similar).

Want to add a new SFS dependency to an SFS file? Do a right-click onto the SFS file and choose 'Add dependencies'.

Want to create a .pet file or SFS file from directory containing Linux directories and files? Do a right-click...

Want to scale a .png icon or image? Do a right-click...

Want to play a MIDI file in background (download TyMidity first)? Do a right-click...

and so on...

As you can see: to do a right-click onto a directory containing files or just onto a file is mostly a good first point to start - especially when not finding the application inside the huge LazY Puppy Menu.

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I'm keeping my eye open for a used computers with at least 4GB's of RAM and 320GB HDD.

LazY Puppy is non-PAE, which means only 3GB, perhaps 3.5GB RAM can be used in LazY Puppy.

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EDIT:

Note, when remastering it is needed to mount the boot partition first to create a new ISO. If not mounted only the StArtLPx2_202.sfs will be created and you'll need to open its creation directory manually, to get the file!
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2013, 20:20    Post subject:

Thanks for info.
I hate acting like a newb at 50 years of age.
I'm living proof that you can teach an old dog a new trick or two though.

The only thing I'm dealing with now is just the lack of RAM on this 10 year old 'all in one desktop". Started with 512MB and could only add another 512MB. I can't complain too much, it was give to me for free.
I'm keeping my eye open for a used computers with at least 4GB's of RAM and 320GB HDD.

I guess I need to figure out how to make an SFS file from other applications (once I figure out what I'm doing with LazY Puppy).
R-S-H
PostPosted: Fri 17 May 2013, 19:46    Post subject:

Hi.

Sorry for the late reply. I'm currently busy with other things, so I'm online just once a week - or at the weekend.

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When you say boot directory, are you talking about the root of the flash drive? I think I fingured it out. I right clicked on an SFS I put there and choose the LP2 load which threw up a big warning. Backed out and tried the SFS load which gave the same warning. Went back to the first one some hours later and threw caution to the wind and selected the LP2 load. After install it gave me more warnings about possibly not installing all files.
Man! I sure wish there was a less stressful way to do this.

Laughing ---> There is always a less stressful way to do things. Usually by knowing how do things work. And, really, it's really easy and smart to do this in LazY Puppy.

Ok.

Boot directory is: directory on HD or USB Flash, that contains the LazY Puppy files (like StArtLPx2_202.sfs, initrd.gz, vmlinuz and all the LP2_xxx.sfs files)

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In sdb1 I see:
Folders:
dev
etc
initrd
lib
root
usr
var

Yes, and that's the clue!

Having these directories in sdb1 (I assume sdb1 is the USB flash drive or HD drive where LazY Puppy is installed), means to use the LazY Puppy by a full install. This is NOT RECOMMENDED and LazY Puppy is not designed for the use from CD (like every else other puppy) and/or by full install.

LazY Puppy running from CD is possible, but without the comfort of automated download and load of SFS files. So, running from CD is recommended only for first run and then installing either to HD drive or to USB flash drive ---> by the installers, presented at the desktop.

Note: CD drive has to be mounted first (just left click it)!

I do recommend to install to USB flash drive, because this gives option to use a personal storage file (save file) and to shutdown/reboot without to save the current session.

LazY Puppy is different to other puppies, but it is very smart if you do use it frugal installed onto USB flash drive.

The USB installer does everything as needed (formatting the USB flash drive, installing the files etc.pp).

So, if frugal installed -let's say installed to /mnt/sdb1/LazY- do copy all your SFS files you want to use with LazY Puppy into this directory. The LazY Puppy SFS files do download automatically into this directory and executed from there.

If new SFS file added (don't do this on the LazY Puppy SFS files - it's already done!), just do a right-click and choose 'Convert to LazY Puppy'. This will prepare the SFS file for the use with LazY Puppy SFS P.L.U.S.. If your action is needed, you'll be informed (don't fear anything, it's really easy!). If process is finished, do again a right-click onto the SFS file and choose 'Create RunScript' (or similar, not simple Version). A GUI appears offering some options (self explaining (hopefully)). At the beginning it could be useful to activate option to copy a RunScript to the SFS location.

Now the mean thing:

If you do use a personal storage file (if you want to, do create this at first reboot from installed (not CD) version), then every thing is done and you should be able to run the application from it s menu entry (if option activated).

If you don't use a save file, you should do a remaster with the LazY Remaster Suite (also really comfortable and easy to handle) to keep the new added RunScript permanently in your OS.

But beware, there might be SFS files that won't work.

If I want to add new SFS files to my OS, I usually do a test first, which means preparing the SFS for LazY Puppy SFS P.L.U.S., creating RunScript, trying to execute the application, unloading the SFS - for each SFS I want to add.

If all went fine, I do a reboot to have a fresh and clean OS (no save file is used then), creating the RunScripts once again and do immediately a new Remaster (usually without to use any other application except the RunScript Creator - but it doesn't really matter, when the used SFS is unloaded before remastering).


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If I can get the Android SDK and APK-Multi-Multi-Tool, and eclipse working then I'm headed in the right directions. These will at least let me Port ROM's from any phone with the same DPI as mine, and work on applications.

After having no succes with APK-Multi-Multi-Tool, I did not try the Android SDK. It's of course needed to use a newer puppy for this project (particular or fully).

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I really like LazYPuppy, especially now that I understand it's concept better. I will keep it and see what I can install.

Yes, I really like LazY Puppy too!

It's my daily OS and I do own several derivatives of LazY Puppy (for example a 300 MB Audiostudio Version with all the audio applications installed). It works very well on all computers I do own or I'm able to use. In fact: I don't want to miss the comfort of LazY Puppy anymore but I'm afraid of the day it could never be used because of owning computers with newer hardware.

To be able to have a good and quite sleep at night, I did create the V.S.P.-LazY-Puppy Builder which lets me build a new LazY Puppy from every Puppy OS I want to within less than a single hour by entering 95 % of LazY Puppy's comfort into the new OS!

So: I'm prepared as well! Laughing
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Sun 12 May 2013, 22:08    Post subject:

Good thing there is google translate.

I do appreciate all your help and info. Thanks for the Java jdk6 SFS.
I really like LazYPuppy, especially now that I understand it's concept better. I will keep it and see what I can install.

Maybe I'll buy another flash drive and put Puppy Precise on that one.

Could you explain in a little more detail how to add an SFS file to LazY Puppy. Didn't see what you mentioned the first time. Tried a few things that didn't work (I'm an idiot when it comes to new tbings, till I'm locked in).
In sdb1 I see:
Folders:
dev
etc
initrd
lib
root
usr
var

Documents:
boot.msg
extlinux.conf
help1.msg-help5.msg
initrd.gz
ldlinux.sys
logo.16
StArtLPx2_202.sfs
vmlinux

I poked around in the folders but didn't see a boot directory/folder

Also QtADB isn't that important right now. It just lets me drag and drop files/folders from my desktop to any file/folder on the phone without having to give shell commands.
If I can get the Android SDK and APK-Multi-Multi-Tool, and eclipse working then I'm headed in the right directions. These will at least let me Port ROM's from any phone with the same DPI as mine, and work on applications.

Edit: When you say boot directory, are you talking about the root of the flash drive? I think I fingured it out. I right clicked on an SFS I put there and choose the LP2 load which threw up a big warning. Backed out and tried the SFS load which gave the same warning. Went back to the first one some hours later and threw caution to the wind and selected the LP2 load. After install it gave me more warnings about possibly not installing all files.
Man! I sure wish there was a less stressful way to do this.
R-S-H
PostPosted: Sat 11 May 2013, 21:03    Post subject:

Hi.

I've build an SFS from jdk-6u45-linux-i586.bin, set it as dependent SFS for LP2_WildFire-0.67r3.sfs, created a new RunScript for LP2_WildFire-0.67r3.sfs and tried to execute the WildFire application from the menu - works out of the box (see image)!

The LP2_jdk1.6.0_45.sfs is about 70 MB!

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The application QtADB will not work in LazY Puppy!

It needs libc-2.15.so, LazY Puppy has libc-2.11.1.so. There is a symbolic link, libc.so.6 which goes to libc-2.11.1.so in LazY Puppy, but QtADB wants this for libc-2.15.so. After installing libc-2.15.so and symbolic link libc.so.6 urxvt/rxvt (terminal) fails to execute (and surely some other applications as well) - I'm sure: this will crash the LazY Puppy!

I think you would need a newer Puppy for this project. Maybe you'll get better results when using a precise puppy (which uses libc-2.15.so by default install).

RSH
R-S-H
PostPosted: Sat 11 May 2013, 20:09    Post subject:

Hi.

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Sorry, I was talking about the adb.exe that is in the platform-tools folder of the Android SDK. I saw the eclipse/sdk combo SFS in your repo.
In order to give Android Phones shell commands from a computer you need to use the android debug bridge. These commands are necessary for ROM and app development, as well as the fastboot commands which are used for kernel development (fastboot.exe is in the same folder as the adb.exe).

Ok, I see now.

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I didn't see the Java jdk6 in your repo.

Yes, such things can happen, since there's a lot of stuff available.

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If I link you to the Java jdk6, the linux version of APK-Multi-Tool, the linux version of QtADB, and Droid@Screen, could you make an SFS for each? These are all very necessary for what I need to accomplish.

Ok, let's see...

If you would just post links to the main pages and I would have to do all the searches for the files and the dependencies (that might be needed) and to download everything...

...of course not (you'll need to know: I'm a German and doing jobs like searching on the web (on English pages), thinking, writing English etc. needs mostly doubled time and beyond...)

If you would provide all the links to all the needed files (directly to download or directly to the download site) and I would have to click only onto a link to download...

...I would give it a try.

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Also need a SFS for a very good XML editor.

Actually I can not even name a single one, sorry.

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Maybe you could come up with a total Android Development SFS. I could help as best I can.

Yeah, this surely would be a challenge for me to do - since I love to do new things and to learn new things as well. But -beside I don't use any stuff like smart phones- I do not have enough time to start and lead such huge project again.

I did this in the past for about one complete year to work mainly on a program that I did not need at this time (but use it heavily today) suggested by a German user. My bash knowledge was near zero, so I'd had to learn a lot. In the end I did extend this to be a collection of tools to be able to create and edit SFS files, convert them and creating RunScripts from it etc.pp. and this is now known as the LazY Puppy SFS P.L.U.S. - the (P)owerful (L)ive (U)ser (S)ystem!

It was fun, of course, but really really a whole lot of hard work with long termed working processes up to 40 hours in a row (did have the time, then) - you know: you can't stop working, when you're in the "flow"!

Of course, when I'm able to offer some help on your project, I might try a little, from time to time.

RSH
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Sat 11 May 2013, 17:24    Post subject:

Sorry, I was talking about the adb.exe that is in the platform-tools folder of the Android SDK. I saw the eclipse/sdk combo SFS in your repo.
In order to give Android Phones shell commands from a computer you need to use the android debug bridge. These commands are necessary for ROM and app development, as well as the fastboot commands which are used for kernel development (fastboot.exe is in the same folder as the adb.exe).

I didn't see the Java jdk6 in your repo.

If I link you to the Java jdk6, the linux version of APK-Multi-Tool, the linux version of QtADB, and Droid@Screen, could you make an SFS for each? These are all very necessary for what I need to accomplish.

Edit: Also need a SFS for a very good XML editor and 7zip or something like it.
Link to Java jdk-6u45: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk6downloads-1902814.html
Link to QtADB: Linux version http://goo.gl/LGBwK
Link to APK-Multi-Tool: Linux version http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808319 this needs the linux program SOX installed to work properly.
Link to Droid@Screen: http://droid-at-screen.ribomation.com/

Maybe you could come up with a total Android Development SFS. I could help as best I can.
R-S-H
PostPosted: Sat 11 May 2013, 12:29    Post subject:

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Having some difficulty wrapping my brain around how to use the SFS files and the RUN scripts you are talking about. Is there a spot on informative tutorial somewhere?

Hi.

It's usually really simple to create RunScripts from SFS files. Just do a right-click onto the SFS and choose: Create RunScript.

In Menu Guides there are some Information about this: look for SFS P.L.U.S.

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Can I just add the SFS files to the .iso then burn to CD (I'm using CD-RW's). Will probably just use the single SFS files to keep everything as light as possible.

Yes, this should work, but after loading an SFS you can't unmount the CD drive!

The SFS SUites (the big ones) are not really needed anymore. They are from the first version of LazY Puppy ever (528-4), which came along only with this ten big SFS Suites.


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Will also need the Java jdk6 in an SFS form

There are several diferent Java SFS files to download at my repository at smokey01.com.

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I also need to set up the adb.exe globally in Lazy Puppy as well.

What is adb.exe?

RSH
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Sat 11 May 2013, 12:21    Post subject:

New to most everything Puppy. Used to everything Ubuntu (currently using Xubuntu 12.04).
Having some difficulty wrapping my brain around how to use the SFS files and the RUN scripts you are talking about. Is there a spot on informative tutorial somewhere?

Can I just add the SFS files to the .iso then burn to CD (I'm using CD-RW's). Will probably just use the single SFS files to keep everything as light as possible. I'm trying to set up a Android Kernel and App build environment on a 16GB flash drive.

Will also need the Java jdk6 in an SFS form (a lot of my development applications depend on it).
I did notice the eclipse/sdk sfs (a must have for me). I also need to set up the adb.exe globally in Lazy Puppy as well.


Thanks for all the help you have given to this Puppy newbie. Woof!
R-S-H
PostPosted: Thu 09 May 2013, 16:24    Post subject:

Hi.

I have found something that may interesting users who did make their LazY Puppy able to load more than 6 SFS files at boot up.

In file /usr/sbin/snapmergepuppy, line 66:
Code:
SFSPoints=$( grep -o "/initrd/pup_ro[1-9]" /proc/mounts |sort -u ) #110206 Dougal: get a list of the sfs mountpoints

I think it's useful to change [1-9] to [1-103] if you have added pup_ro directories and loop devices up to 103 - f.e.

Found this line right now while searching for useful code to use it in my Personal Data SFS Management - which is a replacement for the usual puppy save file in my LazY Puppy 3 setup.

As always: I do recommend to do these changes with a fresh running LazY Puppy, RAM, no save file used. After doing the remaster mount your save file with left-click action onto it and check if /usr/sbin/snapmergepuppy is existing - if: replace it (copy into the save file, open terminal, type sync into the terminal, press enter and unmount the save file), otherwise do unmount and reboot.

RSH
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Tue 07 May 2013, 06:00    Post subject:

So in theory, when 3G at house is bad, all I would need to do is take phone to WiFi source and download to phone. Then transfer to computer once back at house.
Works for me.
Thanks again.
R-S-H
PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 23:39    Post subject:

No need to wait.

You can download these SFS files manually from another computer and transferring via USB flash drive to your personal computer - just copy the SFS files into the boot directory (install directory) of your LazY Puppy installation.

That's all!
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 23:32    Post subject:

Thanks for all the great info.
All things now make sense.
Will have to wait till 3G is better to install SFS files (Phones 3G and it's hotspot function is my computers only connection source). Must have some solar flare ups.
R-S-H
PostPosted: Mon 06 May 2013, 14:18    Post subject:

AndyOpie150 wrote:
Thanks for including my wireless adapter cards driver. First time in any Linux distro (Including stock Puppy's). Now I can use WPA instead of just WEP thru ndiswrapper.

Question; Where are the Conky files kept. I need to edit. Take out the graphical cpu monitor and add a network upload and download bar.

Also: The Puppy Space graph/bar doesn't show the true space available on my ext.3 formated 16GB Flash drive (Only showing. just under 1GB). The stock indicator in the task bar does though.

Everything else is ok, except it would be nice if the favorites and task bar diplayed just installed applications on the desktop.

Hi.

Thank you for downloading LazY Puppy! Smile

I don't know if it was done by myself to include the your wireless adapter cards driver. Could be included by default in the Lucid528-4, from which LazY Puppy is made of.

The data of the PWidgets is in /root/.pwidgets (which is a hidden directory, click on the "eye" in ROX filer toolbar to shw hidden files), the program itself is in /usr/local/pwidgets. To modify the pwidgets settings run PWidgets from Menu Desktop Settings.

Problems of pwidgets drawing the true data a German user did solve by a small script in /root/Startup executing this script:
Code:
if [ "$(which pwidgets)" ];then  ## if pwidgets installed, for updating in fixwidgets
   export UPDATE_SIDEBAR=true
   fixwidgets -wallpaper_setter &
fi

If you are executing LazY Puppy Online Updater (Menu LazY Puppy) it will offer two PET files to update the LazY Puppy. One of theses PET files includes the new Favorites Manager to edit easily the menu entries shown in menu Favorites.

AndyOpie150 wrote:
Kind of annoying to click on an application only to find it's not installed..

This is how it is intended to be. Most of the applications shown in the menu are not installed. They are available as SFS files and do download automatically at first use. They download directly to the boot directory (install directory) of LazY Puppy in will be executed right after downloaded. Please, make sure the boot drive (boot partition) is mounted before downloading.

You can use all those programs from SFS without the need to install a program or to use a personal storage file (save file). Loading SFS files manually is not necessary in LazY Puppy because all these applications are executed by a RunScript which does the whole job by clicking the applications menu entry.

LazY Puppy offers currently more than 200 SFS files and also all needed tools to create your own SFS files and RunScripts to run these programs by RunScript as well.

I do have currently 338 SFS files inside my boot directory for the use of 494 programs executed by RunScripts. At home I don't use a save file to 100% !!!

RSH
AndyOpie150
PostPosted: Sun 05 May 2013, 23:00    Post subject:

Thanks for including my wireless adapter cards driver. First time in any Linux distro (Including stock Puppy's). Now I can use WPA instead of just WEP thru ndiswrapper.

Question; Where are the Conky files kept. I need to edit. Take out the graphical cpu monitor and add a network upload and download bar.

Also: The Puppy Space graph/bar doesn't show the true space available on my ext.3 formated 16GB Flash drive (Only showing. just under 1GB). The stock indicator in the task bar does though.

Everything else is ok, except it would be nice if the favorites and task bar diplayed just installed applications on the desktop. Kind of annoying to click on an application only to find it's not installed..
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