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sunburnt
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 15:53    Post subject:

That`s great! I`ve been wanting a boot setup for Weeners.
I don`t use it myself but many friends and family still do.

I think there`s a simple way to have code setup a Grub4dos menu with found Puppies.
Then as you say, a change to the PC`s hardware wont break the boot setup.
I`ve changed drives as we all have and had the PC be unbootable. USB time...
At least a default search profile at the bottom to find one Puppy would be good.
minesadorada
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 05:20    Post subject:

sunburnt wrote:
minesadorada`s "find" for making boot menus sounds great!
Does it make a menu of all found bootable O.Ss.?


It doesn't make a menu. It just searches all available hard disk partitions for the frugal subdirectory. I have 7 hard disks on my system some with multiple partitions, and it's easy to forget which (hdn,n) each installaton is on. Besides, I don't want menu.lst to break if I change my system disk setup.

This Grub4DOS code can find Windows if it exists on a bootable partition:
Code:

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
 title Windows
   errorcheck off
   find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd  /bootmgr
   chainloader /bootmgr
   find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd  /ntldr
   chainloader /ntldr
   find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd   /io.sys
   chainloader /io.sys
   errorcheck on
sunburnt
PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012, 15:25    Post subject:

Sorry about the delayed reply, my main PC just died crippling me.

Sq.Apps are configured with: --prefix ( Path to Mount Point )
This sets the path where the app. is installed to, and also
where the app. expects to find it`s dependencies at.
App. C code has RPATH and CPATH that is set by this.
Anyone experienced in compiling should have no trouble with it.

Static built packages are more robust and run on more Linuxes.
Sure they`re bigger but media apps. are really library picky.
So the more that`s compiled in the greater chance it`ll work.

I only have built Mahjongg and Dead Meat music player Sq.Apps.

I can post my files for you to examine if you like...


minesadorada`s "find" for booting Puppy sounds great!
Does it make a menu of all found bootable O.Ss.?
minesadorada
PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012, 02:33    Post subject:

RSH wrote:

Yes, this is almost exactly what i plan to do. But i want to go one step beyond that point. Currently i am able to do some work on this for the use with my own syslinux bootloader and also for Grub4DOS. I would like to make this also for Grub and/or Grub2 but i do not know how these boot menu entries have to look.

What do you use for booting LazY Puppy or other Puppies? Can you give an example for Grub and/or Grub2?


I use Grub4Dos, with its simple menu.lst. I don't specify the partition, but use the 'find --setroot' command, which searches the available partitions:
Code:
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /lazypuppy528/initrd.gz
kernel /lazypuppy528/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=lazypuppy528 pfix=fsck acpi=off
initrd /lazypuppy528/initrd.gz


I have used grub(2) and it is more powerful, but as I recall, you have to edit a copy of the menu.lst (or the custom40 list), then run the update facility which copies the changes to the real menu.lst.

For Puppy installs, grub(2) seems like overkill.

I like your boot wallpaper. I never managed to get graphics to work in my grub4dos setup.
RSH
PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2012, 23:56    Post subject:

sunburnt wrote:
Hi RSH; Have you considered using Squash Apps. instead of SFS files?
They are mounted but not unioned, so less complexity and cpu overhead.
They`ve been used in Puppy before, and Tiny Core Linux uses them too.
The Sq.App. package build and compile is almost the same as normal.

Pets and other legacy loose file packages take up Save file space.
They can get viruses and be corrupted, Squash file packages can`t.
If all app. packages are Squash file types then no union FS is needed.

I have a Sq.App. menu written in BaCon that mounts and runs the Sq.App.
when it`s clicked, and unmounts it when the Sq.App. is exited.
I need to write a menu right-click to remove the Sq.app. and it`s config. files.

I did never hear of Squash Apps and my experience to compile sources is less than less (and unfortunately almost unsuccessful). Do you have a link to a working .pet of Squash Apps and/or some information, where to find, how to use, how to make own squash apps etc.pp.?
RSH
PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2012, 23:46    Post subject:

minesadorada wrote:
When you release Lazy Puppy 2.1, can you include a sample menu.lst as a textfile (perhaps in the 'guides' section)?

This will make it easy for a user to copy/paste all the sfs load options into a frugal install menu.lst rather than having to (mis)type them.

Looking forward to Lazy Puppy 2.1 Smile

Yes, this is almost exactly what i plan to do. But i want to go one step beyond that point. Currently i am able to do some work on this for the use with my own syslinux bootloader and also for Grub4DOS. I would like to make this also for Grub and/or Grub2 but i do not know how these boot menu entries have to look.

What do you use for booting LazY Puppy or other Puppies? Can you give an example for Grub and/or Grub2?
sunburnt
PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2012, 02:27    Post subject:

Hi RSH; Have you considered using Squash Apps. instead of SFS files?
They are mounted but not unioned, so less complexity and cpu overhead.
They`ve been used in Puppy before, and Tiny Core Linux uses them too.
The Sq.App. package build and compile is almost the same as normal.

Pets and other legacy loose file packages take up Save file space.
They can get viruses and be corrupted, Squash file packages can`t.
If all app. packages are Squash file types then no union FS is needed.

I have a Sq.App. menu written in BaCon that mounts and runs the Sq.App.
when it`s clicked, and unmounts it when the Sq.App. is exited.
I need to write a menu right-click to remove the Sq.app. and it`s config. files.
minesadorada
PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 13:10    Post subject:

When you release Lazy Puppy 2.1, can you include a sample menu.lst as a textfile (perhaps in the 'guides' section)?

This will make it easy for a user to copy/paste all the sfs load options into a frugal install menu.lst rather than having to (mis)type them.

Looking forward to Lazy Puppy 2.1 Smile
RSH
PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 10:59    Post subject: LazY Puppy 2.0.1 - Multiboot DVD
Subject description: Any interest?

Hello to all who are interested on LazY Puppy 2.0.1 (coming really soooooon!),

i have build (just for fun and testing) a LazY Puppy 2.0.1-rc1 Multiboot DVD that contains all sfs files plus a LazY Puppy Win Installer which contains also all sfs files and installs LazY Puppy frugal with all sfs files in windows.

First screenshot shows dvd main menu (only LazY Puppy 2.0.1-rc1 n.y.p.)
Second screenshot shows dvd sub menu (boot as LazY Puppy Audio Studio, RAM only)
Third screenshot shows boot sequence of loading LazY Puppy Audio Studio SFS

All running from DVD using LazY Puppy Tools (VirtualBox) SFS...







I think this is really interesting and i might want to build such dvd to download - when LazY Puppy 2.0.1 is released.

But this ISO is a huge one - it's about 4,2 GB and it will surely take a lot of time to upload/download such huge file.

So if there would be any interest on such LazY Puppy Multiboot DVD to download, let me know.

RSH
RSH
PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012, 07:49    Post subject: Re: Lazy Puppy for begunners

minesadorada wrote:
Can I suggest that when mode=beginner:

1 ) The WBar should not have links to Console or PFind, but should have a link to sylpheed (or other email program), GnomePlayer and Zine.

2 ) It might also be an idea to disable the menu tree altogether/make it invisible as it's not needed in beginner mode. (WBar does everything they need)

3 ) The bootup splash dialog is disabled

4 ) Frisbee is the default network connector

5 ) Desktop drive icons are enabled (at least the USB stick/card reader one anyway, since users like to transfer and/or view photos easily)

6 ) All drives are automounted on bootup

I had to make these changes recently when setting up Lazy 2 for a laptop where the elderly user (like many people) only used their computer for:
a ) Surfing the net
b ) Reading emails
c ) Looking at photos
d ) Playing DVDs

From a 10-minute bootup in Vista to a 45 second bootup in Lazy - my laptop friend is pretty impressed with his 'new' laptop!

I also symlinked the 'My Documents' and 'Downloads' directories to the hard disk, but I realise this cannot be automated (or can it?)


1. Should be possible and released when i upload the new iso.

2. Should be possible too. The FbPanel has option to disable the menu, so i will set this as default in beginner mode.

3. I want to have the bootup splash dialog when booting without using a save file. I will try to find a solution to disable this when a save file is used - but can't make promises on that fact. If it fails, i think it should be easy to a beginner, to move file /root/Startup/zz_run_lazyinfo into /root/Startup/off.

4. This needs to install frisbee?!?!?! Will it make the iso much bigger?

5. Also easy to do and i will set this as default in beginner mode.

6. I don't know if it is possible to set this as default without using a save file. Usually you can't run automount/startmount (or whatever it is named) without using a savefile - got to improve this

Quote:
I also symlinked the 'My Documents' and 'Downloads' directories to the hard disk, but I realise this cannot be automated (or can it?)

I don't know, where the LazY Puppy is installed on the users computer and i don't know actually that much on bash. I could made this default on sda1 (f.e) but i think it would be better to do so on the boot hd/directory. I don't know how to get the boot hd/directory by bash functions. Sad Surely someone in the programming section (sunburnt, bruce b, jpeps, scOttman etc.pp) does know this. If you could find out, maybe getting some code from there, would be fine - i am busy, busy, busy... Very Happy

Quote:
Changing the name from 'beginner mode' to 'surfer mode' would make it seem more cool

This would be a lot of work to do - but you can edit the menu entry - oh, no that's also a lot of work. Needs to edit 4 .desktop files in 4 different directories. It isn't really that un- Cool
minesadorada
PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012, 07:17    Post subject: Lazy Puppy for begunners

Can I suggest that when mode=beginner:

1 ) The WBar should not have links to Console or PFind, but should have a link to sylpheed (or other email program), GnomePlayer and Zine.

2 ) It might also be an idea to disable the menu tree altogether/make it invisible as it's not needed in beginner mode. (WBar does everything they need)

3 ) The bootup splash dialog is disabled

4 ) Frisbee is the default network connector

5 ) Desktop drive icons are enabled (at least the USB stick/card reader one anyway, since users like to transfer and/or view photos easily)

6 ) All drives are automounted on bootup

I had to make these changes recently when setting up Lazy 2 for a laptop where the elderly user (like many people) only used their computer for:
a ) Surfing the net
b ) Reading emails
c ) Looking at photos
d ) Playing DVDs

From a 10-minute bootup in Vista to a 45 second bootup in Lazy - my laptop friend is pretty impressed with his 'new' laptop!

I also symlinked the 'My Documents' and 'Downloads' directories to the hard disk, but I realise this cannot be automated (or can it?)

Changing the name from 'beginner mode' to 'surfer mode' would make it seem more cool Smile
humblesoul
PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 23:33    Post subject:

i think he likes it. he dislikes pwidgets generally as he believes it slows the system down regardless of puppy. otherwise positive review.
RSH
PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 23:25    Post subject:

Uuuhhh, what a surprise! Very Happy Laughing

I found this on the web, but unfortunately i couldn't understand anything of what he is saying. Crying or Very sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRvXBuyZQjA

Can someone take a look and then post me a translation from the language this guy uses to an english form, that i can read?

This would be nice. Smile

Thanks.
RSH
PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 12:13    Post subject:

LazY Puppy Info Center
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=591223#591223
Quick & Easy Information to BugFixes, Updates & more

Dear LazY Puppy Users,

if you do need help and/or support on a problem using LazY Puppy and/or one of its special features like the New LazY Puppy Menu Suite etc.pp., please do not send me private messages.

I don't want to hijack your pm's and then quote them inside the LazY Puppy thread.

But i also do not want to send replies on such requests as a private message.

If i can do any help, i will do it with pleasure (if i am able to do so). But there is a need to get other users informed on such issues/problems as well and i don't want to write the same stuff again and again because of you are sending me private messages instead of posting inside this thread.

Please, don't do this.

I will not longer reply to such requests received as private message.

I hope you will understand my intention and i will hope also you do not wipe the LazY Puppy CD/USB Stick as a result of this my post.

Thanks for your support and understanding...

RSH
RSH
PostPosted: Fri 06 Apr 2012, 12:08    Post subject:

minesadorada wrote:
RSH wrote:

By the Way, here a short Info to interested English Users:

Yes, LazY Puppy boots into a German Desktop, but you can change this to english or any other language right after the desktop is available. So, don't be afraid on that fact. German users do always boot into English Desktop and change this after X is loaded. Trust me - in that case of fact.


If you have plang=en_UK in the menu.lst entry, does that mean it would always boot into an English UK desktop?

Yes, it should do so (Edit: - i think). If you are using boot option pkeys, then this will overwrite system settings. I do use this boot option always. So, why it should do not?

Example:

System settings says English Keyboard Layout and boot option is set to pkeys=de, then you will always have German Keyboard Layout.

---

Note: I did forgot something to tell you about the settings of wbar!

If you have configured the wbar -let's say in user mode advanced- do save the wbar settings for user mode advanced (you can do this using the New LazY Puppy Menu Suite).

Usually it should save all your settings automatically, if you are changing the user mode - just to make it sure. Smile
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