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mikeb
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 13:47    Post subject:

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In Puppy`s case, it wouldn`t take many people to form a group.

how many exactly... I heard three's a crowd Very Happy

I got the Lucid initrd init down from 60K to 25k with a similar range of options so theres always room for optimising.

The main releases are definately the work of several individuals though one man shows can sometimes produce good results... half the problem is testing with the huge range of hardware and software out there and thats where input is needed. The murga forum at least does provide a good source of feedback for anyone attempting developement.

Perhaps what I see lacking is an effective way to contribute ideas to the main releases which as I suggested earlier is why puplets often appear, not including the ones which are just standard releases with 2 added programs and a nice wallpaper.
How much of the ideas in Lazy puppy will actually ever get utilised in precise??. And bear in mind its dev has been inspired by other older puplets showing the possibilities...

mike
sunburnt
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 13:32    Post subject:

Puppy`s boot process is complex because of it`s many boot types.
And the union file system adds more complexity to all aspects.

# In line with RHS`s retirement:
Puppy is for the most part a one-man-show. Many of them...
This doesn`t lend itself to preserving the improvements made.
And greatly limits what can be accomplished. The efforts of one.

# Doesn`t it seem that cooperation for common good is best?

Debian and Ubuntu are cohesive as the individual`s load is small.
So the participants remain doing what they do best for the whole.

# In Puppy`s case, it wouldn`t take many people to form a group.
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mikeb
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 10:42    Post subject:

Well since puppy is held together with a plethora of scripts their condition is relevant to the description of Puppy as 'simple'...not just my opinion ask anyone who has worked on it.

The binaries are taken from other distros with few exceptions so any 'simplicity' in that domain has nothing to do with Puppy.

I have taken all the Puppy initrd/boot/wrapper/shutdown scripts apart and rewritten or tidied as appropriate adding features in the process. I may not be a 'programmer' but i do have a chunk of experience in this particular area.

mike
jpeps
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 09:54    Post subject:

mikeb wrote:
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The beauty is in the simplicity.


Ah so you have never examined puppies scripts.
For simplicity look at slitaz or slax.....


Scripts are non-compiled code. If you think you can improve a script, I'd suggest you learn how to do that vs writing meaningless comments about everyone elses' work.
mikeb
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 06:53    Post subject:

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The beauty is in the simplicity.


Ah so you have never examined puppies scripts.
For simplicity look at slitaz or slax.....

As for pup most changes I see in the main releases are the ones implemented by Ubuntu. The real innovations are seen in the puplets and community releases.

mike

@sunburnt...the neat stuff is used here on a daily basis Very Happy
jpeps
PostPosted: Wed 11 Sep 2013, 01:48    Post subject:

sunburnt wrote:

But as many say... This is probably all Puppy will ever be.
Quote:
Thomas Alva Edison:
No new idea will ever prosper in an existing company.
A new company must be formed around it.


Puppy is at the top of it's class for a minimal sized distro. The creativity and innovation shown by the community has been nothing short of phenomenal.

Puppy isn't a company, so there's not much in the direction of innovative breakthroughs with broad appeal. It's more like a language, that can easily be adapted for individual use. The beauty is in the simplicity.
sunburnt
PostPosted: Tue 10 Sep 2013, 23:28    Post subject:

Mike; But I`m sure you`ll agree that the "neat" stuff should be canned for posterity.

What makes Debian and Ubuntu work? Lots of folks each doing a small part.
They aren`t one-man-shows, like it is here at Puppy.
But as many say... This is probably all Puppy will ever be.
Quote:
Thomas Alva Edison:
No new idea will ever prosper in an existing company.
A new company must be formed around it.
mikeb
PostPosted: Tue 10 Sep 2013, 09:31    Post subject:

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I don't understand why many people try to release their own Puppy!

Because they vainly hope it will bring in new ideas but eventaully they realise that having it for your own use is as far as you will get.

So we have some neat distros kicking around hidden in our kitchen cupboards Very Happy

mike
sunburnt
PostPosted: Tue 10 Sep 2013, 05:54    Post subject:

Sorry to hear your variant is gone RHS. And another one bites the dust...

I appeal to you to preserve the "details" of what you have created here.
Much custom code has been created for LazyPup that shouldn`t be lost.

It`s truly unique, steps further in development than ChoicePup which came before.

### A newer version based on Raring would be the next step.

# Perhaps a new partner will step forward and offer to take up the banner?
Providing the effort and any new code required to make a Raring variant.

It would seem not too difficult for someone familiar with Pup builder scripts.
Like anything, the first few are the learning phase, and then it`s old hat.
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greengeek
PostPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2013, 15:39    Post subject: Re: LazyPuppy loaded on precise ?

Pelo wrote:
LazyPuppy loaded on precise ?
I usually now load on the fly oldest puppy on recent distros.
I am running lazy puppy with Precise.

I only load the Lazy SFS on the fly and with the desktop program, i choose a lazy pup theme and background.
Nice work! How do you get this to work? (How is it possible to run the Precise sfs and the Lazy sfs at the same time without something like virtualbox?). Thanks.
Pelo
PostPosted: Sun 08 Sep 2013, 18:02    Post subject: Menus are in french

Menus are in french.
As Precise is upgrated with french language, even lazy programs are translated ! Foolish, no ?
Menu is a sum of both distros.
Pelo
PostPosted: Sun 08 Sep 2013, 17:56    Post subject: LazyPuppy loaded on precise ?

LazyPuppy loaded on precise ?
I usually now load on the fly oldest puppy on recent distros.
I am running lazy puppy with Precise.
Why ? I am far from my home and only wifi works. Lucid cannot connect wifi with my computer, but Precise does.
I only load the Lazy SFS on the fly and with the desktop program, i choose a lazy pup theme and background. The result is a distro in french.
see screenshot.
sunburnt
PostPosted: Sun 08 Sep 2013, 14:37    Post subject:

Smithy; I think he means off world aliens. But maybe you did too...

the last saviour; Expressing one`s self. And helping others.

As I`ve suggested, a Puppy community effort to provide direction and preserve developments.
There`s code sharing and cooperation among variant builders, but no central repository.
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Smithy
PostPosted: Sun 08 Sep 2013, 09:41    Post subject:

Last Saviour

Quote:
Many bad aliens live in the high building (~50 fl.), some decoration around the top. Near Time Square?


Did this come from an office memo in the Mc Carthy Witchhunt Trials of the 50's? Wink
RSH
PostPosted: Sat 07 Sep 2013, 23:13    Post subject:

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I don't understand why many people try to release their own Puppy! If it's for their personal use that's should be fine.

I did not intend to end up developing and publishing LazY Puppy - just wanted to try to build my own puppy for my own purposes. Inspired by the 2 sfs files offered with Muppy 08.3F and impressed by 10wt3ch's Studio 3.3.

After a while I found it a good idea to offer it for the people (it was stored at mediafire then and has had only the ten sfs suites). Then smoky01 did enter the scene offering an account at his server for my use and to store the LazY Puppy over there. The rest did follow step by step, is already known and would not have been possible without all the help from the members of the forum.

Now I'm back to my basic intention, to build my own puppy - now for real.

Which doesn't exclude developing programs for the community generally.

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But if they really want Puppy to be on the market I would suggest someone who has the same concept of Puppy (same desktop and file manager), but different ability of programming knowledge to form a team.

Even though I'm working alone on LazY Puppy, I've had already a great team: the community and the single German member of the forum who has made all the testings for my programs developed in 2012. He did not left me, because he was able to see, what will come up in the end. He is using now LazY Puppy as main OS installed on 25 computers (Windows removed) on a public school in Germany.

And I'm sure: at least, in the end, he was surprised - like I am each and every day when booting up my LazY Puppy.

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No mattter how excellent you are at software and OS I don't think anyone can solve every computer problem.

Yes, I agree.

This is also an argument to change my focus. I don't want to be responsible for problems and issues that are results of remastering a puppy and/or adding/removing stuff to the OS etc.pp. My responsibility in the future should only be related to the programs developed and published.

So, I'm trying to put all the LazY Puppy Concept Applications together to work nicely from SFS - so called: LazY Puppy by SFS Module. The user than is free to choose which OS to use and must go to the original thread, if something is not working in the OS which has nothing to do with my applications.

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And even it doesn't success, you will waste you time much less than you work alone.

Believe me: not a single second was wasted!

RSH
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