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sickgut
PostPosted: Fri 27 Jan 2012, 04:43    Post subject:

ciento wrote:
There is a wide divide between the user, like me, and those who
code, and assemble the disparate parts into precision machines. Everyone
benefits when we all seek to excel in our own endeavors, support the efforts of others, and refrain from malice. I hope each Puppy developer feels free
to take the time needed for a full and rewarding life, with time and season
given to each facet, as it come into view.


ive never met any developer or coder that didnt have a destructive cycle of overwork, then subsequent freak out then boredom and the need to get back to work on their projects.

personally i kind of notice that if i pull a 24 hour session then i get more done than 3x 8 hour sessions over 3 days even tho they both add up to 24 hours, when your on a roll your on a roll.... and when you see results for your effort its hard to stop...

maybe this should be a subject for another thread but i think all devs have trouble avoiding burnout and balancing other things properly
ciento
PostPosted: Fri 27 Jan 2012, 04:24    Post subject:

There is a wide divide between the user, like me, and those who
code, and assemble the disparate parts into precision machines. Everyone
benefits when we all seek to excel in our own endeavors, support the efforts of others, and refrain from malice. I hope each Puppy developer feels free
to take the time needed for a full and rewarding life, with time and season
given to each facet, as it come into view.
sickgut
PostPosted: Fri 27 Jan 2012, 03:11    Post subject:

yo yo yo yo yo RSH

Forget about everyone else, take your time off and just make your OS how you see fit as if you like and use it yourself then others will, as you are not the only person on earth that will find your OS useful.

Most people in this community couldnt do what you do buddy so dont listen to them. If people are giving you a hard time while you are posting and asking for advice and help or trying to get input, then dont do that, just make your stuff then release it.

People especially in this community will bitch about the slightest little thing and them flame you for it, like you deliberately hurt them because your OS has firefox 7 instead of 8 or something stupid like that, if the users had any sense they would make their own dream OS and they would not be here on the puppy forums to begin with.

There is an old saying: "The customer is always right..."
The sad thing is that most customers actually believe this to be true when it isnt.
You are the creator, they users are the customers,
Ive lived by the rule that: "The customer is always wrong, because other wise they wouldnt be asking your advice to begin with."

I used to have a computer business and when a customer would complain to me and tell me the cutomer is always right, i would reply "If the customer was always right then you would be able to fix your own computers and solve your own problems, you are here asking me for help because you are wrong and you believe i am right and that i can help you, otherwise you wouldnt be here."

If the people complaining where really as good as they claim they are then they would make something better than you have, they wouldnt bother flaming you or complaining at all because there would be no need to even try your OS to begin with, they would code it entirely from 0 and 1 and you would never see them again.

Take your time off buddy, ive had to do the same recently.... you need to take enough time off so that you look forward to coming back to code because you want to and you miss it, other wise you will get stressed and freak out.

chin up buddy
Amgine
PostPosted: Fri 27 Jan 2012, 02:48    Post subject:

RSH wrote:
Hello.

I did not think, my action could have result in all the reactions i have got - not only inside this thread but especially the pm's that mostly said: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK or similar.

I do need a break (i think two weeks will do it well) and i will continue my work on LazY Puppy.

Therefor i do change the subject of the first post from "closed" to "paused".

Thanks to all my supporters and all good willing people inside this forum!

RSH

Good to here
tatamata
PostPosted: Fri 27 Jan 2012, 01:54    Post subject:

starhawk wrote:
Enjoy your break Wink I hope you come back ready to do good things.

BTW, something I've never figured out... what audience is LazY Puppy supposed to appeal to? I presume that "Lazarus Yet in Puppy" refers to something religious...?

Lazarus is a free rapid application development tool similar to Delphi. See wiki here:
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Overview_of_Free_Pascal_and_Lazarus
It has that name "Lazarus" because of a dead project being rising from dead again:)
RSH
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 23:20    Post subject:

starhawk wrote:
BTW, something I've never figured out... what audience is LazY Puppy supposed to appeal to? I presume that "Lazarus Yet in Puppy" refers to something religious...?


This makes me smile! Smile

No, nothing religious.

Please take a look at these two threads. It's a lot stuff but will inform you well . This has been the main idea to LazY Puppy. It was hard work and at least panoss found a way to get the whole thing runnning.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68589

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=582779#582779

RSH
starhawk
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 23:09    Post subject:

Enjoy your break Wink I hope you come back ready to do good things.

BTW, something I've never figured out... what audience is LazY Puppy supposed to appeal to? I presume that "Lazarus Yet in Puppy" refers to something religious...?
RSH
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 22:33    Post subject:

Hello.

I did not think, my action could have result in all the reactions i have got - not only inside this thread but especially the pm's that mostly said: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK or similar.

I do need a break (i think two weeks will do it well) and i will continue my work on LazY Puppy.

Therefor i do change the subject of the first post from "closed" to "paused".

Thanks to all my supporters and all good willing people inside this forum!

RSH
Puppyt
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 18:55    Post subject:

Thanks sc0ttman and jemimah for your balance here. We could almost set a metronome to the disputes that periodically occur on the Puppy Linux forum. I think it goes to show that a dynamic, creative COMMUNITY takes all types of perspectives. I'm just not sure that a "tough love" approach is always the best way to respond to differences in perspective. I note, for example only, that there are many on this forum with Asperger's - brilliant and driven with certain forms of analysis and problem solving, not-so-brilliant with social interactions - where what is intended to be communicated (sent or received) can be misinterpreted, to the hurt of all. Now add to this mix differences in cultural and language backgrounds...
But vive la différence: who wants to be a monoculture like MicroSoft or iFad? RSH - never believe that you are a disposable commodity. sc0ttman, jemimah, even MU and BK all know that the frontier is a lonely place. I think that on re-reading the thread, we are all backing you, just in different ways. Hang in there, and hold to your dream and wherever the fun takes you Smile
jemimah
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 13:42    Post subject:

sc0ttman wrote:

Most important RSH, you make what you want,
make whatever makes you happy.


Agreed. Feel free to ignore all critics. This isn't a charity. If it's not fun, it's not worth it.
sc0ttman
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 12:20    Post subject:

RSH, keep up the good work, great support and many offerings!

Announcer wrote:
No other Linux forum would tolerate abuse of developers the way this one does. There's something seriously sick and wrong with this place, and it comes from the top. (Talking to you, Murga.)

No doubt this post will bring out the usual ham-fisted hypocrisy, censorship, and arbitrary punishments.

I find this forum too be generally more friendly than almost any other...
I personally don't mind a bit of 'colour' in a conversation, but keep it polite on here, as most users here are very polite indeed.

I'm still learning to 'tell it like it is', in the nicest possible way Wink
(not that I know much!)

To prove how nice these forums are, you only need to look back at the crap I was releasing/bungling when I first joined this forum...

My 1st, crap ISO puplet offerings, were still tested by many, as a token welcome/politeness (they were definitely not worth testing) but I still got lots of suggestions, which were gently made to me, telling me how I could improve my crappy offerings...

I think it's still that way for me Wink lol

Try looking around some of the Slackware and Arch forums to see how innocent beginners asking questions or sharing ideas are ridiculed and ignored.. They'd have ripped me to pieces on those forums and sent me back to Windows!

As for as 'being a developer' goes, in general, I tend to take the attitude (and this is a very British attitude) that if I make/develop/release something, I should expect people not to care, or to think it's crap.. Then any feedback I get is potential help. I must know I am not 'right' or 'better' and that everything people bother to tell me is worth listening to, even if I don't like it.

In other words, I don't expect anyone at all to like what I do, and I know at least some people will think it's totally pointless, or even a bad idea.. That's fine, not ideal, but fine. So don't get down, keep doing what you're doing, if that's what you want to do!

Most important RSH, you make what you want,
make whatever makes you happy.
Announcer
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 11:51    Post subject:

No other Linux forum would tolerate abuse of developers the way this one does. There's something seriously sick and wrong with this place, and it comes from the top. (Talking to you, Murga.)

People who do nothing and achieve nothing sit back with their keyboards and slander good creative people who work for the benefit of the community. Useless mooches with hate in their hearts and nothing better to do than criticize and act like jerks, tolerated and sometimes even encouraged by the forum admins.

No doubt this post will bring out the usual ham-fisted hypocrisy, censorship, and arbitrary punishments.
RSH
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 11:27    Post subject:

cthisbear wrote:
While you are all crying like girls let us remember a
little token Puppy History.

Barry Kauler started with nothing.


WE ARE NOT BARRY KAULER'S - especially not me! Smile

Maybe Barry is a SUPERMAN (like you suggest) - not me! Smile

I AM A SENSITIVE HUMAN BEING THAT CAN BE HURT!

I AM A SENSITIVE ARTIST THAT CAN BE HURT!

I AM A SENSITIVE DRUMMER THAT CAN BE HURT!!

I AM A SENSITIVE MUSICIAN THAT CAN BE HURT!!

I AM A SENSITIVE COMPOSER THAT CAN BE HURT!!

I AM A SENSITIVE PHOTOGRAPHER THAT CAN BE HURT!!

I AM A SENSITIVE PROGRAMMER THAT CAN BE HURT!!

Do 50% of what i am doing in 50% of my quality - then you can call me (look at the quote)

But you can't! Laughing Laughing Laughing

cthisbear wrote:
Another loser.
Piss off and take your marbles with you sonny.

Spoiler.....Man up.

Well nobody look if offended.
Uncle Ronnie has a hint for all you types.

HTFU...>> you will be offended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc


I did watch this - and do you know what?

We got those AXXXXXX-Guys on german television as well.

Guys like "Uncle Ronnie" can't touch me. Even you can not touch me.

Sending "Uncle Ronnie's" stuff around the world and up to the Universe makes one thing absolutely clear to all Lifeforms in outer space:

THERE SEEMS TO BE ABSOLUTELY NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ON EARTH!

But there is intelligent life on earth - unfortunately it is shouted down by guys like you and "Uncle Ronnie". This has been so for decades and century's and seems not really to change!

I would rather made suicide than naming this one guy an uncle to me!

Here is a Message to you, all the other "you's" and "Uncle Ronnie's" in the World from "Uncle Frank": is there anything good inside of you? If there is, i really want to know ... really want to know.

It must be a strange kind of fun to guys like you and "Uncle Ronnie" to trample and hit others, as they are already lying on the ground.

It seems to be a MASTER ATTITUDE of human being in the 21st century.

Guys like you and especially "Uncle Ronnie" should be banned - not from the forum, not from earth - FROM UNIVERSE!!! Very Happy Laughing Laughing Laughing Very Happy
And if one would call me to do so, i would do it with a smile on my face. Laughing Because it would be surely the human solution at all to mankind! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

By the way: i got an emergency clue to "Uncle Ronnie": PLEASE LEARN TO SPEAK CLEARLY - it will give to you a sparely touch of HUMAN BEING (this clue in the case of writing is also for you, cthisbear))

And now- cthisbear: PLEASE, KEEP OFF OF THIS THREAD!

Why? I am a supporter of free speech and acting but not of free insult!

That's why!


nooby wrote:
I rather have ten crying girls than
one male Bully that roar like a Lion or bark like a Wolf.

I do totally agree! Very Happy

Thank you

RSH
tlchost
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 10:36    Post subject:

nooby wrote:

I guess I lack humor.


The master of understatement
nooby
PostPosted: Thu 26 Jan 2012, 08:37    Post subject:

Quote:
While you are all crying like girls ...


I guess I lack humor. I rather have ten crying girls than
one male Bully that roar like a Lion or bark like a Wolf.
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