Unable to Remaster X-Tahr

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Unable to Remaster X-Tahr

#1 Post by johnywhy »

i'm sure i'm just doing this wrong, but can't boot from remastered x-tahr

My steps:

Method 1:
- Mount xtahr 2.0 ISO.
- Launch "Remaster Puppy live-cd".
- Choose mounted xtahr 2.0 ISO for source files.
- Choose no on all customization-steps.
- Choose no on last step, to make iso.
- Use pburn to burn iso to DVD

Method 2:
Same as above, but copy my save-file to temp folder before making iso.

Method 3:
Same as above, but burn iso to usb drive with unetbootin

Method 4:
Same as above, but use ISO-Master to make iso from temp folder created by remaster-puppy. Then use pburn to burn that iso to DVD.

Nothin boots.

ITSMERSH

#2 Post by ITSMERSH »

Try this: LazY Remaster Suite - - remastering the main sfs from settings made completely in a GUI.

After remaster is done, just copy the new main .sfs around where ever needed.

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#3 Post by johnywhy »

Thx, but it says " it comes as a RoxApp". I'm running xfce/thunar.

So, Remaster Puppy live-CD doesn't work?
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#4 Post by bigpup »

Are you doing this when booted up in Xtahr?

If running Xtahr and using the save.
Remaster Puppy Live CD should use what is in the save, because the save is part of the running Xtahr.
No save selection is needed
- Choose no on all customization-steps.
This could be the problem.
Does Xtahr normally have a zdrv sfs?
If yes, you need to choose to make it.
- Choose no on last step, to make iso.
Try making the iso.
It gives you a good backup of the re-master.

After making the iso.
Look inside it and see if it looks like it has the needed files.
Then use Pburn to burn a live CD using this iso you made.
You are sure the place you used to store the re-master process on, had enough room?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected :shock:
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#5 Post by ITSMERSH »

johnywhy wrote:Thx, but it says " it comes as a RoxApp". I'm running xfce/thunar.

So, Remaster Puppy live-CD doesn't work?
Just click the AppRun script inside its directory and it will work in thunar.

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#6 Post by johnywhy »

bigpup wrote:Are you doing this when booted up in Xtahr?
- yes
No save selection is needed
- what is "save selection"?
Does Xtahr normally have a zdrv sfs?
If yes, you need to choose to make it.
- yes. when Remaster asks "do you like to make zdrv_xtahr_2.0.sfs, the separate driver file", i click "Yes".

Next, Remaster says "After examining /tmp/root, click OK to add /root in puppy_xtahr_2.0.sfs file"

Next, Remaster adds /tmp/etc to "the .sfs file".

Next, i proceed without adding anything to isolinux.

Next, Remaster says to check contents of /initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppylivecdbuild/. I do see zdrv file there.

Next, Remaster says "click Yes to burn CD, click No to make iso". I clicked "No.

Remaster says "the iso was created". But i cannot find the iso anyplace. This is a new problem.

ITSMERSH wrote:Try this: LazY Remaster Suite - - remastering the main sfs from settings made completely in a GUI. After remaster is done, just copy the new main .sfs around where ever needed.
With LazY, I got a dir containing:
initrd.gz
puppy_my-xtahr_2.0.sfs

Is that correct? How to make the iso?

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#8 Post by ITSMERSH »

With LazY, I got a dir containing:
initrd.gz
puppy_my-xtahr_2.0.sfs

Is that correct? How to make the iso?
Yes, that's correct.

Just mount the original .iso, copy the files to a different directory (for the .iso name), replace its initrd and the .sfs with the new ones. If you didn't rename the Puppy by Lazy Remaster Suite, the new initrd.gz is NOT needed.

Puppy should have a right-click option (or even pburn) to create a bootable .iso (boot.cat is the dependent file for a bootable .iso)

Do you really need a .iso to be created?

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#9 Post by johnywhy »

nic007 wrote:Try the attached script OR the automatic script here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... eb#1001289
in automated script, what's difference between Custom and Pristine?

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#10 Post by nic007 »

johnywhy wrote:
nic007 wrote:Try the attached script OR the automatic script here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... eb#1001289
in automated script, what's difference between Custom and Pristine?

THX
The customized remaster version saves the hardware settings/configuration for your specific computer. You will want to use this version if you are going to use the remaster on the same computer because it saves you the trouble of setting things up again.

The pristine remaster version does not save the hardware settings/configuration for a specific computer. You will use this version if the remastered iso is going to be used on other/different computers (eg. distributing it to other users) In this case, the hardware settings/configuration for the other computer will have to be set up afresh.

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#11 Post by johnywhy »

pristine failed for me, details here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 61#1001461
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#12 Post by johnywhy »

still can't remaster.
but i CAN remaster if i boot x-tahr without a save-file.
any suggestions?

synopsis:

* Got the Success message, but did not get an iso
* free space in savefile: 5 GB
* "genisoimage" is in /usr/bin
* working directory: htfs harddrive, 100GB total, 40GB free. Puppy has write-access.
* when i run Remaster Puppy live-CD from menu, it asks me to choose working directory. I pick a partition with plenty free space.
* I do get output, but the sfs is abnormally small. the size of the base sfs in /initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppylivecdbuild is 5.0 MB. Should be hundreds of MB's.
* After Remaster Puppy reports that the iso was created, i cannot find any iso on /initrd/mnt/dev_save
* I don't get the progress window below, when remastering with my big save-file.

* If Boot without the savefile and do a remaster with the builtin remaster, I got the progress window below. At the end, i got an iso file.

any ideas?

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#13 Post by ITSMERSH »

Hi.

I've updated the LazY Remaster Suite.

Additional option to make a new .iso file.
No mounted .iso or cd necessary at all.

All files/dirs from boot directory (where the Puppy .sfs is located) are copied
into the build directory. So, make sure everything is there.

Note: you could end up with a huge .iso, if there's lots of additional .sfs modules located at the boot directory (where the Puppy .sfs is located).

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#14 Post by johnywhy »

thx!

tried again, with Pristine. got Success message, but still no ISO.
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#15 Post by johnywhy »

i was able to make an ISO from a new, unmodified x-tahr that has a save-file.

so some mod that i did on my modified x-tahr is breaking the remaster.

how to compare installed package list?
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#16 Post by mikeslr »

FWIW:

As nic007 has told you, there's something wrong with your SaveFile/folder. Here's what I'd do:

1. Boot into the X-tarh which works. Open SFS-Load and Puppy Package Manager and make a note (screenshot) of the current applications you've installed/loaded and have functioning.
2. Create a NEW Frugal Install or just a new SaveFile starting with the files in the original ISO. You'll use the note/screenshots for rebuilding your Puppy.
3. Except for Qt and python SFSes, Do Not Load any SFSes. The advantage of SFSes are the ease with which you can 'upgrade' an application -- unload the old, load the new, see if it works and doesn't present a conflict with other applications. Including application SFSes in your puppy_version_number.sfs either locks you into an old version, or wastes space when you SFS-load a new version. The exceptions are QT and python which are used by other applications, sometimes are supplemented by additional libs or versions, but are rarely updated. SFSes can be added to an ISO so that they may be copied to /mnt/home.
4. Use a SaveFile rather than a SaveFolder. Make frequent backup as you install pets so that you can revert if necessary.
5. Test each pet when it's installed to make certain it works and doesn't conflict with other applications.
6. Remaster when you're finished installing/testing. If the remaster application you use permits it, create a separate zdrv.
7. The most important component you want to remaster is the Puppy_Version_number.sfs. There are tools for editing ISOs. For example in Xenialpup64 there's Menu>Multimedia>ISOMaster. Running it, you can open the original ISO, delete old Puppy_Version_number.sfs [optionally old vmlinuz & zdrv] and add your remastered Puppy_Version_number.sfs [and optionally, updated updated vmlinuz, zdrv]. Xenialpup64 also has Menu>Multimedia>BurnISO2CD. X-tahr is likely to have included similar tools; or you can install them.

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#17 Post by johnywhy »

mikeslr wrote:1. Boot into the X-tarh which works. Open SFS-Load and Puppy Package Manager and make a note (screenshot) of the current applications you've installed/loaded and have functioning.
Hi mikeslr, that's great! But those aren't my only changes.

-- I removed several items with Remove builtin packages. For this, i think i need to look at /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages and/or /root/.packages/builtin_files/. What's the difference? Plz see http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 82#1001882
-- I customized the xfce desktop. I'm hand-copying my setup from various xfce config screens.
-- added some custom startup commands. Hand-copied.
-- not sure if i installed any pets, how can i tell? Would they be listed in the puppy Uninstaller?
3. advantage of SFSes are the ease with which you can 'upgrade' an application. Including application SFSes in your puppy_version_number.sfs either locks you into an old version, or wastes space when you SFS-load a new version.
That's awesome. i didn't use any SFS's. But, if i did, i would want to bundle any SFS's with the iso so they auto-load on the live-cd. I'm making this to share with friends, so any SFS's need to load on first boot, and get installed on a frugal install. Everything must work without any extra setup (except internet, timezone etc). Is there a way to achieve that, while still allowing future frugals to use the sfs-load on-the-fly to switch 'em out?
SFSes can be added to an ISO so that they may be copied to /mnt/home.
What does copying to /mnt/home achieve? Are you saying i do that during the remaster? Or end-user does that?

Your comments about backing up savefile, testing etc relate to setting up a puppy. Thx, but no problem there. Just trying to remaster this puppy on which everything works. I've already gone through the pain of testing, installing, configuring.
create a separate zdrv.
Isn't that my hardware drivers? I want the live-cd to work on any box, not just my box. I thought to make a remaster which is not hardware-specific, i should not create the zdrv. No?

X-tahr has BurnISO2CD and isomaster.
7. The most important component you want to remaster is the Puppy_Version_number.sfs.
- Why?
In ISOMaster. delete old Puppy_Version_number.sfs and add your remastered Puppy_Version_number.sfs
Can i make up anything? Can it be a name instead of a number?
[optionally old vmlinuz & zdrv]
- Why? What does that achieve? If i create a zdrv during remaster, are you saying both the zdrv i created, plus the old zdrv will be in the iso?

Tbh, I don't believe there's anything "wrong" with my save file. I don't believe it's corrupt. The OS boots and works perfectly.

Instead, i think one of my customizations is breaking the remaster. That would be proven If i duplicate my setup exactly, and then can't remaster again.

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#18 Post by ITSMERSH »

@johnywhy

Did you try to remaster your Puppy by using the latest version of LazY Remaster Suite?

It comes with option to create a .iso (one can enable/disable this in the GUI). Also it will copy everything from the install directory (where the puppy .sfs is) to the build directory, and so everything will be in the .iso.

I have tested this on a remaster of Music2Go and everything went fine.

Just to mention...

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#19 Post by johnywhy »

ITSMERSH wrote:Did you try to remaster your Puppy by using the latest version of LazY Remaster Suite?
I shall try, after i recreate a fresh puppy, just to make sure my save-file isn't bad.
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#20 Post by ITSMERSH »

johnywhy wrote:
ITSMERSH wrote:Did you try to remaster your Puppy by using the latest version of LazY Remaster Suite?
I shall try, after i recreate a fresh puppy, just to make sure my save-file isn't bad.
I would like to know the your results of remastering without to create a fresh Puppy.

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