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#2821 Post by Colonel Panic »

Just installed the beta of Mint Debian 3 (Cinnamon). It's working very well and I honestly can't see any difference between this and the Ubuntu-based version of Mint.

Just one small gripe though; I much prefer the wallpaper and standard theme of the old Mint. Dark is the order of the day now it seems.
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#2822 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Ubuntu-18.04 to the hard drive of my Hp desktop:

System: Host: bill-260-p029 Kernel: 4.15.0-29-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.28.2
Distro: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
Machine: Device: desktop System: HP product: 260-p029 serial: N/A
Mobo: HP model: 81B4 v: 01 serial: N/A UEFI [Legacy]: AMI v: F.04 date: 05/10/2016
Battery hidpp__0: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
hidpp__1: charge: N/A condition: NA/NA Wh
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3-6100T (-MT-MCP-) speed/max: 800/3200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel HD Graphics 530
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) driver: i915 Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.5
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8723be
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1031.7GB (1.1% used)
Weather: Conditions: 77 F (25 C) - Partly Cloudy Time: August 4, 10:04 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 261 Uptime: 1:38 Memory: 1112.8/3807.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56

I was running another OS on this pc but I prefer Ubuntu to it.
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#2823 Post by Colonel Panic »

The latest beta of Slackel 7.1, a Greek distro based on both Salix and Slackware, is out now and includes recent versions of both Firefox (61.0.2) and LibreOffice (6.0.5.2). I've been testing the Openbox version (the only one they've released so far in the 7.1 series) and it comes with a pleasant green theme and matching soft focus wallpaper of what to me looks like a field of long grasses.

And as far as I can see, everything seems to work. Definitely worth a look in my view.
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#2824 Post by Colonel Panic »

Installed AntiX 17.1 (64-bit) today, and it's working well and seems very economical on resources (the default wallpaper of a train station in the evening is surprisingly effective
too);

https://distrowatch.com/images/cgfjoewdlbc/antix.png

BTW, although I haven't done any comparison test between the system resources the 64-bit version uses compared to the 32-bit, I haven't so far noticed any great difference between the two.

[EDIT: Nope, the second time I tried it the X server broke and hasn't come back. I'm getting seriously tired of this.]
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#2825 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Manjaro to the hard drive of my Lenovo desktop:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.14.66-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: N/A Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine: Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e serial: <root required>
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: <root required> BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 type: MCP speed: 2529 MHz min/max: 2003/3003 MHz
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT216 [GeForce GT 220] driver: nvidia v: 340.107
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.1 driver: nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 220/PCIe/SSE2 v: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.107
Network: Device-1: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet driver: sky2
Drives: Local Storage: total: 298.09 GiB used: 6.44 GiB (2.2%)
Weather: Temperature: 17 C (63 F) Conditions: N/A
Current Time: Thu 30 Aug 2018 11:57:04 PM EDT (America/Rainy_River)
Info: Processes: 138 Uptime: 59m Memory: 3.86 GiB used: 1.24 GiB (32.2%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.21

I installed a legacy nvidia card so I'd be able to connect two monitors,
Manjaro installed the proprietary driver.
There is an option to select from 7 or 8 kernels, I chose the
recommended LTS kernel.

Works well so far.
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LineageOS in usb stick

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#2827 Post by rufwoof »

http://fuguita.org/?FuguIta Downloaded the iso.gz, gzip -d decompressed it and wrote the iso image to a DVD, booted, mostly pressing enter at the prompts other than selecting 0 normal boot, entering uk for country, I used cd as my domain name and entered a root password. It picked up my openbsd on HDD swap slice. Logged in as root and created /etc/installurl containing https://www.mirrorservice.org/pub/OpenBSD which is my local mirror i.e. selected from https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html) then ran pkg_add iridium ... to start the installation of a browser, and whilst that was running through I ctrl-alt-f2 and logged in again and ran adduser to add userid user (adding the user to the wheel group so it can su). By the time I'd finished that and echo cwm >/home/user/.xinitrc and then ran startx, the terminal session of ctrl-alt-F1 had finished the installation of iridium. Ctrl-alt-F5 to the gui session and alt-? (alt-shift-/) and typing in iridium ... and moments later up popped the browser. Fonts etc small, so I edited /home/user/.Xdefaults and added Xft.dpi: 144 to that (and created a sym link ln -s .Xdefaults .Xsession. I also created .cwmrc containing the following before restarting X again

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# .cwmrc
# 
gap                             2 0 0 0
ignore                          xclock
ignore                          xload
color inactiveborder            Black
color activeborder              "#494949" 
color groupborder               "#01a252"
color urgencyborder             "#3d9751"
color selfont                   "#0034A9"
color font                      "#FFFFFF"
color menufg                    "#49F6F6"
color menubg                    "#333333"
#fontname                       "DejaVu Sans:size=11:antialias=true"
fontname                        "News10:size=11:antialias=true"
bind-key CM-comma               "mixerctl outputs.master=-5"
bind-key CM-period              "mixerctl outputs.master=+5"
top is showing 652MB as I type this using iridium (2GB system + 2GB swap)

In the last few months I've switched over from using a word processor to simply creating my own html files (using a limited/basic set of HTML tags). I can then view that in a browser and print to PDF file. Iridium supports playing mp4's etc and can view PDF's. So with some vi and html syntax skills it looks like you can have a decent desktop system using Fuguita (OpenBSD liveCD) - more so if like me you like cwm. Even more so if you use online mail, calendar, contacts and a calculator such as https://www.calculator.net/scientific-calculator.html (nicer than xcalc). And as I have a OBSD based data server, I can save/edit things to/from that as desired.

Usage wise, I ran rcctl set sndiod flags -s default -m play,mon -s mon and rcctl restart sndiod as per https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#recordmon as youtube sound wasn't working. After that sound was heard but youtubes were stalling. Logged completely out of user and back in again and all was good. Also ran mixerctl outputs.hp_boost=on ... to turn the sound boost on.

Sometimes stutters if usage is modest/high, such as capturing a screenshot whilst playing a youtube. I saw that swap has risen to 278MB used, so guess that my 2GB RAM is towards the lower end of what might be needed in practice when running liveCD. Running iridium with no cache also seems to help if you're on a reasonably fast uplink ... iridium --disk-cache-size=0
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Fatdog desktop, OpenBSD data server (that looks for Fatdog and reverse sshfs mounts a /data folder mountpoint on Fatdog whenever it boots). Fatdog sshfs mounts my Android phone whenever its within the wireless zone.
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#2829 Post by Colonel Panic »

Still persevering with Slackware (the 64-bit version), so here are a few notes. Compared to most distros, it has a strong "retro" feel and look to it (apart from in KDE); it comes with a range of older window managers as standard, including blackbox and twm (which I'm using now).

I can't get LibreOffice to run on it (something to do with the Java Runtime files, which you have to install separately on Slack), but I managed to get Apache Open Office 4 to work although I first had to download it as a collection of .rpm files and batch convert them all to the tgz format before I could install it.

It also wouldn't run SoftMaker Office 18, though it does run the latest version of FreeOffice.

It comes with Calligra as standard, but I detest Calligra and have now removed it after it inserted a load of extra blank lines between the paragraphs in one of my documents for no reason (thank goodness for gvim, which enabled me to remove them all by setting up a macro for that purpose).

Dedoimedo didn't think much of it either;

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/calligra-suite.html

I have to re-enable networking every time I log on although that's easily done with the dhclient command.

In summary; it's still highly usable but it takes quite a bit more setting up and fiddling around with than do most distros in 2018, and there's still no easy and automatic way of addressing the dependency problem for programs such as osmo and libreoffice (apparently it's that way by design as most Slack users still don't want Debian-style dependency handling). You also can't update the distro in one go as you can in Debian with the apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade commands, but nor does it overwrite certain configuration files, such as twm's, when you boot it up as Debian does.

You don't have to edit the xorg configuration file by hand any more, which you had to in 2003 when I first started using a Slackware derivative, and it sets up other partitions, including USB drives, to load automatically on bootup when you install it (would that other distros, including Ubuntu and Debian, did the same).

It's also one of the very few distros now that doesn't insist you set up a user account; you can log in as root and run the whole distro from there.
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#2830 Post by Colonel Panic »

I've just discovered that Siduction, one of my favourite Debian-based distros, has decided to go 64-bit only from now on. I can understand the devs' need to economise on their time and effort but nevertheless one of the distro's main attractions for me is that there was still a 32-bit version when most other distros are now 64-bit only.

I think in future I might use Debian (32-bit) instead and upgrade to Testing from there.
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#2831 Post by aledie »

MX-17 / Voyager 18.04 (both XFCE, both great) - now
Linux Mint 18.3 (LXDE) - before
Slitaz / Antix - USB

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#2832 Post by Colonel Panic »

I've just installed the latest version of Makulu (14, though 15 is apparently imminent), which is based on Debian although it comes with Cinnamon as its main desktop.

It's running well so far except that it doesn't come with a lot of standard software - I installed Firefox, LibreOffice and Thunderbird myself - and so far sound isn't working on it. That last isn't really a problem because I get tired of video ads which play whether or not you want them to (the Usana nutrition ad I find particularly tiresome right now, maybe it's OK the first 10 times you hear it ...).

Another thing which works well with this distro is Conky Manager. I've got the theme with the three cube-shaped apples at the moment and IMO it complements the distro very nicely.
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#2833 Post by belham2 »

The reason were seeing Makulu here now, today, is because Jack Germain (longtime reviewer) over at LI (LinuxInsider) went & did another "over-the-top" review of it yesterday here:

https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/New- ... 85590.html

I think it would behoove us all if we start giving credit where credit is due when we post something here about a distro we are trying. It's a bit disingenuous not to. We just don't find them out of the blue, we find them usually because someone has pointed them out to us & done a in-depth review. let's give credit to those first reviewers.

Btw, one thing to know, Mr. Germain has been pounding the virtues of Makulu for a few years now. He luvs it. :wink:

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#2834 Post by Colonel Panic »

belham2 wrote:The reason were seeing Makulu here now, today, is because Jack Germain (longtime reviewer) over at LI (LinuxInsider) went & did another "over-the-top" review of it yesterday here:

https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/New- ... 85590.html

I think it would behoove us all if we start giving credit where credit is due when we post something here about a distro we are trying. It's a bit disingenuous not to. We just don't find them out of the blue, we find them usually because someone has pointed them out to us & done a in-depth review. let's give credit to those first reviewers.

Btw, one thing to know, Mr. Germain has been pounding the virtues of Makulu for a few years now. He luvs it. :wink:
Was that a reference to my review of Makulu above? If so, I would ask that you check the dates of my review here and of Mr Germain's review for Linux Insider, as mine appears to predate his.

I will say further that I wasn't previously aware of Mr Germain before I either posted my review or installed the distro on my machine and wasn't a reader of Linux Insider. I have an old machine and am struggling to find distros other than Puppy which will work on it, and Makulu happens to fit the bill and I also happened to have a disk of it on hand to try.
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#2835 Post by peebee »

Lubuntu 18.10-beta Cosmic Cuttlefish now LXQt desktop.....

Quite an "old fashioned" look and feel surprisingly.....

1.5GB iso so pretty big - but does include LibreOffice for instance....

Webbrowser is a new one on me...Qt based Falkon.....
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Main version used daily: LxPupSc; Assembler of UPups, ScPup & ScPup64, LxPup, LxPupSc & LxPupSc64

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#2836 Post by oui »

older Lubuntu did offer the version "Lubuntu minimal" with xombrero from a (private) depository managed by a developer of Lubuntu.

is that not actual any more?

from Lubuntu minimal (or Ubuntu installed console only, unmark all options in taksel excepted security server) you can reduce the size of Ubuntu dramatically and extend the installation exactly as you want but you have to know, it is a matter of method and training, where are global packages (the first one is probably Xorg) where you can shrink it!

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#2837 Post by Colonel Panic »

For anyone else who got the irritating "waiting for /dev to be fully populated ..." message when trying to boot MX or another Debian-based distro; I've discovered a fix for it.

All you have to do is press "e" at the grub bootup screen and find the line ending "quiet", and then type "nomodeset" (no quotation marks) after it. That allows the distro's boot up to proceed as normal.

[EDIT: this fix has worked as well as I dared hope: I've just installed Neptune, one of my favourite distros but one which wasn't booting on my machine before, and am posting from it now. Google really is your friend (at least sometimes).]
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#2838 Post by Colonel Panic »

I managed to install LXLE 14.04 this week, which is good because I've had a lot of problems with installing LXLE in the past.

What is even better is that upgrading the distro with apt-get takes it up to 14.04.5, the final point release of Ubuntu 14.04 and which includes the Linux kernel and graphics stacks from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. The upshot is that I'm using 2018 software once again, such as Firefox 62.0.3, LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 and Seamonkey 2.49.4, which I've been unable to do with any other Ubuntu-derived distro.

I'd still recommend that people wanting to try LXLE use the latest, 16.04-derived version, but it's good to know that the older version still works too. The only downside so far is that I don't much like the stock wallpaper (a rather garish painting of one of San Francisco's streets), and think the stock Debian wallpaper suits it far better.
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#2839 Post by Moat »

I've been playing around with a standard (no persistence) liveUSB install of KDE Neon's 64 bit "user edition", from here;

https://files.kde.org/neon/images/neon- ... n/current/

https://neon.kde.org/index

It's essentially the latest stable KDE Plasma desktop (along with all of it's KDE-associated applications, like text editor, email client, picture viewer, etc) on top of Ubuntu's latest LTS release (18.04 Bionic Beaver in this case). Actually it's a quite stripped-down distro OOTB, with few additional apps included (Firefox is about it, really). No biggie, as it defaults to accessing the huge Ubuntu BB repos.

I know many think of KDE/Plasma as big, bloated and slow (as it has historically appeared to be at times), but these guys have been very hard at work over the past few years, forging ahead with version 5 of the KDE desktop - and that hard work's really beginning to show. Although it's immensely "tweakable" (almost TOO tweakable) with a very full range of included desktop and panel widgets, the reality is you can functionally make it about anything you might want it to be. And that functionality/extensibility makes it extremely user-friendly as a home desktop, once set up as such.

And the most surprising thing of all that I've noticed... it's incredibly fast/responsive, and boots to a very reasonable ~400mb RAM initially. And that's with many of the included (large!!) range of desktop effects and compositing turned "on" (i.e. - fantastic level of code optimizing). It's quite stunning, both visually and especially in terms of functional useability - once you are able to wrap your head around things, getting used to accessing the tweaks and actually making use of the feature set Plasma offers. Pretty danged amazing, really - and fun to just sit down and use. 8)

There are some bugs/downsides that I've noticed, though;

1) The Discover package manager - although actively being developed and much improved over the previous stable version - still closes/crashes occasionally.

2) There's an almost "deal-breaker", long-standing bug with the system tray, where if you tweak it to hide/show certain tray icons, it from then on refuses to popup the associated menus when the mouse hovers over the visible tray icons (network, clipboard, volume, etc.). I think one can re-install the panel applets outside of the system tray (and remove the "broken" ones from within), but then the cool notification features of Plasma are lost for those particular applications.

3) I vehemently abhor flat, pale, non-gradient, non-bordered in-window themes... and KDE Plasma's QT themes, so far, are all about that type of visual theming (much like GTK3/Gnome themes). They are functionally/visually far inferior - and give me a headache/eye ache after a while. They might be a nod to current style trends (i.e. - Windows 10) - but I believe the greater reason is that the move to QT (and GTK3, for that matter) has brought with it a requirement to completely overhaul (or just abandon) all of the beautiful GTK2 themes of years past... and nobody really wants to put forward the effort required to write (official) themes with such visual detail, in these new and more complex, more difficult theme languages (QT & GTK3). Bummer! :(

4) And if you want to manually modify existing themes, it seems an order of magnitude more confusing and difficult on KDE/Plasma - no single theme folder with it's associated config file(s) and elements... instead, numerous theme directories spread out individually throughout other system (KDE) directories - all somehow pointing/interacting with each other in a confusing, boggling way - as they draw the desktop visuals. Or maybe I've just not spent the time yet to get my head around it all (likely...).

But some of the available (in-repo) themes are OK/somewhat better, and there's also included tools within Plasma that allow tweaking colors and other visual elements to somewhat ameliorate those visual "shortcomings".

Sorry for the long rant - but I think KDE Plasma is overall fantastic, a potentially great home desktop solution for Linux (as long as devs don't get carried away in "feature creep", and instead focus on squashing bugs and visual polish). And they've recently received a couple of large financial donations, which helps assure further development and improvements in the future.

All considered, Neon is pretty darn great, and I hope to find room on one of my laptop hand-me-downs for a full install. 8)

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#2840 Post by 6502coder »

Colonel Panic wrote:I'd still recommend that people wanting to try LXLE use the latest, 16.04-derived version, but it's good to know that the older version still works too....
I've been running LXLE for several years now on my ancient P4 Dell desktop. For the past year I've gotten good service out of LXLE 16.04 and plan to run that until Xenial goes EOL in April 2021, if the hardware doesn't fail first. Unfortunately it appears that LXLE 16.04 is likely to be the end of the line for LXLE. It's based of course on Lubuntu and LXLE's creator does not like that Lubuntu has shifted from LXDE to LXQt; he's already indicated that he has no plans for a version of LXLE based on Lubuntu 18.04.

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