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fredx181


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 07:46    Post subject:  

dcung wrote:
Is the kernel source included in DEVX sfs?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 11:32    Post subject: New ! Cinnamon version
Subject description: BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version
 

*** BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version ***

Forum member ETP did set up Cinnamon DE on Bionicdog and kindly shared his changes folder with me in archive format.
Through some PM messages we found fixes for some problems, agreed on a few small changes and I made remaster & ISO.
@ETP, later I added support for login as puppy, with very similar Cinnamon configuration.
(it works, but not much tested, there may be some issues)

See here for demo video by ETP

Login details:
root with password root (default automatic login)
puppy with password puppy

Specifications:
Kernel: 4.15.0-22-generic
Boot Method: porteus-boot , see examples Here
Desktop Environment - Cinnamon
Default File Manager - Nemo with option to use Pcmanfm.
(included pcmanfm for some handy right-click actions, e.g. "Activate module' 'filemnt' and more... Nemo doesn't include these)
Internet Browser - Firefox Quantum
Sound - Pulseaudio
Network Manager - Gnome-network-manager (default for Cinnamon, somehow not possible to replace with another network-manager, e.g. peasywifi)
Multimedia - Vlc, Mpv, Mplayer, Dogradio and more
EDIT: Wbar (hidden) will appear when hitting top of screen with mouse cursor.

Requirements:
I'd recommend 2GB RAM or more, Cinnamon uses much more memory than Openbox.

Additional Info:
The default keyboard layout is: English (uk)
There's switcher icon in the systemtray for e.g. set it to: English (us)
(more choices can be added with 'Keyboard Settings')
But note: this setting isn't preserved at reboot.
To change the default layout, run from Menu > Bionicdog Special > Set Keyboard Layout.

Download:
BionicDog64-Cinnamon-ETP_2018-08-27.iso Size: 657MB
Md5sum

Included in ISO: Info from ETP: 'Notes_and_Custom_solutions.txt'

EDIT: First post updated.

Fred
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 17:19    Post subject: New ! Cinnamon version
Subject description: BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version
 

In addition to the points made by Fred please note:

Use of borderless mpv/mpv as used in CBSN tips:

    # --no-border is used within launch scripts. eg /usr/bin/mpv --no-border [url or path to file/script]
    # To quit the TV press keyboard letter q
    # To resume later at the same position when viewing a film or video, use instead keyboard letter Q (Upper case)
    # To toggle between windowed & full-screen mode press keyboard letter f
    # Use numbers 0 (up) and 9 (down) across the top of the keyboard to adjust volume.
    # To take a screenshot press keyboard letter s
    # Toggle visibility of subtitles (when available) with keyboard letter v
    # To pause or resume play use keyboard letter p or the space bar.

Setup of the British Tux BBC weather icon on wbar for your location is detailed below.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 20:05    Post subject:  

Hi,

I'm trying to install nVidia driver on Bionic Dog.
I found that nVidia driver perform better on XenPup64 and have installed it on Fatdog64 too. So I'd like to try it on Bionic Dog.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114060

I downloaded (which supposed to have the kernel source code).
61-DEVX-BionicDog64_2018-06-04_amd64.squashfs

When compiling, I encountered 2 issues.
1. getnvidia complained that the source does not match.
But I loaded from BionicDog64_2018-06-04.iso, which is supposed to match the Devx SFS above (?).

2. How do I unload nouveau module?
getnvidia complained it is loaded, require it to unload to run/compile nVidia driver.

Code:
uname -a output:
Linux live64 4.15.0-22-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 16 12:15:17 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 20:26    Post subject:  

dcung wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying to install nVidia driver on Bionic Dog.
I found that nVidia driver perform better on XenPup64 and have installed it on Fatdog64 too. So I'd like to try it on Bionic Dog.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114060

I downloaded (which supposed to have the kernel source code).
61-DEVX-BionicDog64_2018-06-04_amd64.squashfs

When compiling, I encountered 2 issues.
1. getnvidia complained that the source does not match.
But I loaded from BionicDog64_2018-06-04.iso, which is supposed to match the Devx SFS above (?).

2. How do I unload nouveau module?
getnvidia complained it is loaded, require it to unload to run/compile nVidia driver.

Code:
uname -a output:
Linux live64 4.15.0-22-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 16 12:15:17 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


I think most (many? some?) of the nVidia drivers are already compiled for ubuntu and can be installed with apt-get or synaptic.

see https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux#h6-automatic-install-using-standard-ubuntu-repository
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 20:42    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
I think most (many? some?) of the nVidia drivers are already compiled for ubuntu and can be installed with apt-get or synaptic.

see https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux#h6-automatic-install-using-standard-ubuntu-repository


Hi dancytron,

Thank you for the link, but I found and went thru that link already.
ubuntu-drivers commands didn't work in my case (?).
Tried both on Bionic Dog & UpupBB before I posted for help here.
Still working on adapting/absorbing info from that page too.

Since I went thru compiling nVidia drivers on XenPup ans Fatdog64, I thought I give it ago in Bionic Dog and later any of my pup/dog that I can not readily find nVidia driver.

Now, having tried to compile it, I am interested to know answers to my 2 questions/issues if anyone can shed some lights.. Smile

Especially the mismatch kernel, in case I need to compile something else in the future.

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Aug 2018, 21:16    Post subject:  

I got it installed thru synaptic. Thanks dancytron.
It escaped me before you reminded me of it.. Embarassed

As usual, new questions arises...
1. How do I know/verify I'm using nVidia driver? I don't see (have not found) the nVidia X server setting yet. In other puppies, the icon appears on menu after driver installed. I looked in /usr/share/applications also. And also, there's nVidia splash screen before X start. None of it in Bionic Dog... (?)

2. At a glance, I'm worse off than I was before. This nVidia driver, reverse the primary monitor. Not something I wanted. Now I have to work on 'fixing' it... or revert back.


EDIT/UPDATE:
I worked out xrandr commands to 'restore' the monitors, the way they were. And put it in Startup. So, no longer "worse off" Smile
I also found out that nVidia X server setting is packaged separately in synaptic.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 02:40    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Find the line:
Code:
ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty -a root --noclear %I 38400
And change to (replace root with puppy):
Code:
ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty -a puppy --noclear %I 38400
And reboot with changes saved.
To be honest, I forgot to make some things right, so wouldn't recommend it, you may find some unexpected, e.g. firefox cannot be updated from Help > About
Fred

I successfully made the alterations as suggested above for changing default login. It worked.
Further to this, is there any way to disable auto-login?
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 03:42    Post subject:  

d_vineet wrote:
fredx181 wrote:
Find the line:
Code:
ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty -a root --noclear %I 38400
And change to (replace root with puppy):
Code:
ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty -a puppy --noclear %I 38400
And reboot with changes saved.
To be honest, I forgot to make some things right, so wouldn't recommend it, you may find some unexpected, e.g. firefox cannot be updated from Help > About
Fred

I successfully made the alterations as suggested above for changing default login. It worked.
Further to this, is there any way to disable auto-login?


Yes, remove the "-a <user>", so:
Code:
ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty --noclear %I 38400

But Note: the 2018-06-04 64-bit version has a bug: root password is not correctly set, see here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=995228#995228
So better set the password for root first, otherwise you cannot login as root.

Fred

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 04:10    Post subject:  

dcung wrote:
Refer attached - nouveau module still loaded/in use?

Blacklist nouveau ?
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 07:28    Post subject: Re: New ! Cinnamon version
Subject description: BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version
 

fredx181 wrote:
*** BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version ***


Thanks for this, fellas - so far it's running incredibly well on this old Dell Optiplex 380. WiFi, sound, monitor resolution @ boot, installing packages w/Synaptic... all great, and such a beautiful, polished desktop!! Cool

What fun... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 11:06    Post subject:  

BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version looks very polished, gr8 job.
Still,.... I am thinking whether or not to write this post.....pl. don't take it otherwise.
Users opt for either puppy or dog version since it is lightweight, faster & requires very low specs of h/w.
With this background, whether spending of the time resources of talented & enthusiastic developers is justified in reinventing 'yet another' polished desktop OS? As everybody knows, there are myriad OS options available with polished look but 'killer' h/w requirement.
Instead I feel that users would love it if the focus is maintained on the versions which follow real puppy philosophy. (I am aware that Bionic Dog is not puppy, but still it is very less demanding on h/w req. compared with other OS's).
Again, this is just my thought (may or may not be correct), no offence intended. Pl. do correct me if wrong.
Any comments?
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 13:39    Post subject:  

Hi vineet !
You are looking for Comments .....here we go ...

Find your arguments about an Os should be lightweight, faster & requiring very low specs of h/w. quite justified !
But this Discussion is not so new .

Anyway can not use Bionic Dog 64 Cinnamon cause i use an old 32 bit single Core Toshiba Satellite 3000 with only 1Gig of Ram ("Extended" with Zram )......quite happy with Bionic Dog 32 or Stretch Dog .....using the E17 Enlightenment Desktop (my favorite One ) .... those components are lightweight and fast on my low spec System/Machine .It really transformed my old Clunker into Star-ship Enterprise.Having a lot of Fun .

There are a probably a few out there whose Equipment can easily cope with Bionic Dog 64 Cinnamon ......there for.... why not ?
Having another Choice with Bionic Dog 64 Cinnamon ....just a win-win.....nobody does loose anything .
Find it interesting if People bring in some (new) Ideas .I do enjoy it .I think,regarding this, it is not really necessary being too puristic.....

Regards and have a nice Day .
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018, 14:10    Post subject: Re: New ! Cinnamon version
Subject description: BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version
 

fredx181 wrote:
*** BionicDog 64-bit Cinnamon version ***

By Fred & ETP

Fred



LOL! I knew you weren't relaxing, Fred, not even after our temps dropped from the brain scorching summer we all had (backi too).

Cinnamon, eh? Will give it a go, though I may be pushing things since my equipment is so old (plenty of ram, 8GB, but still, the oldest i3 are slooooow sometimes, haha, even with an SSD Wink

Thanks for all your guys hard work. Stretch XFCE 64-build in RAM booted by Porteus is still my all time favorite, with synaptic updating & the sublime 'quick-remaster GUI', for me it is perfection. But will try this Cinnamon and see how she goes.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2018, 00:24    Post subject: JWM  

Would it be possible to have an option of JWM in Bionic Dog 64bit? (was viewing stretchdog 64bit related thread and liked the idea of JWM as an alternative. From a screenshot there, RAM usage was just 90MB against 150MB RAM with openbox).
I could see the .deb package in https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_BionicDog_64bit_Reposisitory
But not sure whether it would be supported to install it and try to switch the wm.
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