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LxPupSc64 - 64bit version of Puppy with the LXDE desktop
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davids45


Joined: 26 Nov 2006
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Location: Chatswood, NSW

PostPosted: Thu 06 Sep 2018, 19:43    Post subject: ROX in LxPupSc
Subject description: Fixed with ROX from BK's Werewolf
 

G'day peebee,

My apologies for the lack of clarity in my post about my inability to set up ROX as I like it in your latest 64-bit LxPupSc.

That Rox (as the fortunate-for-me fallback in your LxPupSc Pups) doesn't allow movement of the column lay-out from the default.
So I ran woodenshoe-wi's modified 64-bit ROX pet in the hope of a lay-out fix.
I could move the columns with this pet installed but not permanently as each new ROX opened had the old default lay-out.

And I had forgotten that you meant this Pup series to prefer a non-ROX+non-JWM environment; I've been using the previous Pup's savefile with each recent updated version so miss the original first-start-up that earlier I had switched away from each time.
I'm sorry to say I find LXDE and PcManFM a bit too different and cumbersome compared to ROX/JWM - perhaps, it's just a case of the 'devils I know'.

Like you, I would like to see from someone interested, a full 64-bit BionicPup to complement your very nice 32-bit versions.

David S.

Postscript:
Just now, I tried an old 32-bit ROX (that is good in 32-bit Pups with an intractable ROX) in an LxPupSc1806(+3) but the result was not too good Shocked (screenshot) .
So renewing the Pup's savefile and rebooting, in this same Pup, I then tried a 64-bit ROX from another 64-bit Pup (BK's Werewolf) that has my desired default lay-out.
And now it's 'all good' Laughing (screenshot).
The good ROX file (ROX-Filer) I put in the directory /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/ , running from a sym-link (screenshot). I could have just copied it over the original ROX-Filer.

So now I have fixes for my minor issues with LxPupSc64 Very Happy while using it in not quite the expected way Embarassed .
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peebee


Joined: 21 Sep 2008
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Sep 2018, 14:13    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 18.06+6

iso md5 = 91e58da5e4a7ef5d29c4befe06ffe04f lxpupsc64-18.06+6.iso

Just Slackware64 Current updates

Later 64-bit kernels (4.18.x) are available

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peebee


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Location: Worcestershire, UK

PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2018, 04:48    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 18.06+7

iso md5 = b64f4891e0196221dc210be00712164a lxpupsc64-18.06+7.iso

Just Slackware64 Current updates to Wed Sep 12 21:19:38 UTC 2018

inc. OpenSSL: 1.1.1 11 Sep 2018, built on: Wed Sep 12 19:59:38 2018 UTC

Later 64-bit kernels (4.18.x) are available

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westwest

Joined: 10 Apr 2015
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep 2018, 20:45    Post subject: pcmanfm  

PCMANFM is displaying chronic freezes on LxPupSc64.

I've reinstalled several times (frugally) with the same result.
This seems to happen when i open a second tab and then try to switch back to the first...

Any help would be appreciated with this very fine pup.
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ozsouth

Joined: 01 Jan 2010
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Location: S.E Australia

PostPosted: Tue 18 Sep 2018, 21:17    Post subject:  

Which version of LxPupSc64 are you using, & which kernel? I am using 18.03 with 4.14.47 kernel, & can open several tabs & switch between. (in a terminal, uname -r will give kernel detail). Could also be a video issue - trying the modesetting driver may help. (exit to prompt, run xorgwizard, select modesetting & run xwin).
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 21:31    Post subject: pcmanfm  

I'm using LxPupSc64 18.06 with stock kernel (4.17).
I will try your suggestion, thanks.
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Marv


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep 2018, 22:04    Post subject:  

I'm running lxpup64 18.06 +7 with the latest 4.18.9 64b kernel on this hardware, using the intel driver:

System: Host: puppypc395 Kernel: 4.18.9-lxpup64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.6.1)
Distro: LxPupSc64 18.06
Machine: Device: laptop System: FUJITSU product: LIFEBOOK S761 serial: R2500459
Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB225 serial: N/A
UEFI [Legacy]: FUJITSU // Phoenix v: Version 1.17 date: 03/14/2012
Battery CMB1: charge: 51.5 Wh 100.0% condition: 51.5/62.2 Wh (83%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 797/2501 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.20.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,vesa) FAILED: fbdev
Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile version: 3.3 Mesa 18.2.0
Network: Card: Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k
Drives: HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (40.6% used)
Weather: Weather data failure: Thu Sep 20 20:48:28 CDT 2018
Error: location server up but download error - wget: 4
Info: Processes: 153 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 209.6/4787.8MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.40

No issues switching between tabs on pcmanfm seen. Screenshot below...

Edit: weather in inxi worked later. Probably just slow server -violent storms here tonight-
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Sep 2018, 20:07    Post subject: pcmanfm  

Issue has vanished using +7 delta and latest kernel. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2018, 04:35    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 18.06+8

iso md5 = caac51733f4afe70fe27dad17c6d6dbf lxpupsc64-18.06+8.iso

Just Slackware64 Current updates to Fri Sep 21 18:51:07 UTC 2018

Later 64-bit kernels (4.18.x) are available

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Sep 2018, 02:20    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 18.06+9-uefi

iso md5 = ec8f0d43b32df96ee6f5fb659c4feeb3 lxpupsc64-18.06+9-uefi.iso

Just Slackware64 Current updates to Fri Sep 28 03:55:56 UTC 2018

+ now a uefi bootable iso (? not tested)

Later 64-bit kernels (4.18.x) are available

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2018, 10:30    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
+ now a uefi bootable iso (? not tested)
Hi peebee

I love that you took the effort to make your iso this way!!
It would be nice if this behaviour were standard for Puppy builds (woof CE builds).
Imo it makes Puppy more easily portable and more usable for new users.
(Regulars probably do a frugal install with grub4dos manually and switch the machine to legacy boot in the bios.
Or they put it on the HD directly and use one of many ways to boot it from there, legacy or uefi.)

So I've tested it.
I put the iso on a pendrive with the dd command and tried to boot it on my uefi laptop.
The pendrive was recognised as uefi bootable in the bios as well as legacy bootable. (The laptop supports legacy boot as well.)
Booting succeeded for both! YES!

I went one step further and created pupsave.
First I used the fix-usb.sh to make a third partition on the pendrive, ext3.
I had to disable the exit after the sanity check for 3rd partition empty. I do not know why it says there is something on the 3rd partition.
Then I saved a pupsavefolder to this partition. But on reboot it was not found. Sad
I put another pupsavefolder on the root of an ext3 partition on the ssd/HD. There the pupsave was found and loaded.
If one could put the pupsave on the same stick as the Puppy and have it used, one would have a even more portable Puppy.
So I tried to add puppy boot param.
That should be possible with F2 when the boot screen comes up in legacy boot, but on that moment there is an error in red displaying "DESKTOP FAIL: Black-screen/hangs... " and it is not possible to add anything.
Instead I tried by editing (e) the kernel line, both in eufi (grub2?) and legacy (syslinux?). There I added psave=sdb3 and booted. And that worked!
Would there be a way to avoid this workaround and to have Puppy looking for fitting pupsaves everywhere?
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mikeslr


Joined: 16 Jun 2008
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Location: 500 seconds from Sol

PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2018, 17:34    Post subject:  

foxpup wrote:
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First I used the fix-usb.sh to make a third partition on the pendrive, ext3.
I had to disable the exit after the sanity check for 3rd partition empty. I do not know why it says there is something on the 3rd partition...


Might have been a "Lost & Found" folder. I think gparted sometimes (always?) creates one when you resize/create a new partition.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 04:52    Post subject:  

mikeslr wrote:
Might have been a "Lost & Found" folder.
Could be, though I did not use gparted. Gparted does not handle these pendrives well after dd; gparted is completely clueless; ROX handles it better.

Reminds me that I left some small thing out of my little howto:
After using fix-usb.sh one has to make the filesystem (mkfs ...) as fix-usb says. If not, you still do not 'see' the third partition.

Mike, you have an idea how to accomplish this:
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to have Puppy looking for fitting pupsaves everywhere?
It has to happen in the init, doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 09:37    Post subject: Search for SaveFile/Folder  

Hi foxpup,

Sorry. I know little about init, and even less about USB-OSes created by dd.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 11:43    Post subject: Re: Search for SaveFile/Folder  

mikeslr wrote:
Hi foxpup,

Sorry. I know little about init, and even less about USB-OSes created by dd.

mikesLr
Me neither, just investigating ... and guessing Rolling Eyes
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