Alternatives to IrfanView in PuppyLinux:

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Alternatives to IrfanView in PuppyLinux:

#1 Post by musher0 »

(Moved from the "Pic of the day" thread, page 200. What follows tries to
answer the post by a_salty_dogg at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... st#1007219)


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Hello, Flash, a_salty_dogg, and all.

Indeed, Irfanview has no Linux version. But we do have alternatives
that compare:
geeqie

GQView (IMO better than the more recent qeeqie above, because it is
easier to understand and configure)

XnViewMP (excellent but BIG multiplatform package)

Look those up in the Internet?
All three progs above allow some basic editing, either within itself
(XnViewMP), or by relaying the picture to an image editor.
qiv is not an image editor, only a viewer -- even a CLI viewer*. But it has
a command interface that extends it a lot. Type 0 (zero) in qiv while
viewing a picture and your chosen image editor (the one you defined in
defaultimageeditor or in defaultpaint) should load the picture ready for
edit. If not, change line 39 in script /usr/bin/qiv-command to

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  0)mtpaint "$2" 2>/dev/null
All of the apps above should be accessible for install through your
Pup's PPM.

Finally, prepare to be surprised! Good old mtpaint has a viewer mode!**
Please see attached screen capture.

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mtpaint -v picture.extension
Also, you can view all pics in a directory (you will have to change pics
manually, though), with mtpaint, by typing

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cd your-picture-directory
mtpaint -v *.jpg
or any format that mtpaint recognizes.

If you are all thumbs when it comes to typing in console, it should be
simple enough to create a couple of basic scripts to start mtpaint in
viewer mode and then place (or link) these scripts in
/root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/.image_jpeg
/root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/OpenWith/.image_png
and similar picture directories.

Of note, if I type "image viewer" in my PPM's search box (from
xenialPup-7.0.6), I see a list of over 20 titles, including "nomacs" and
"phototonic". YMMV according to the PPM of your Puppy version, of
course, but if you are not happy with the progs I briefly described above,
it's worth a look.

IHTH.

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NOTES

* Of late, qiv seems to have acquired some interfaces. I believe "pqiv" in
the PPM listing is one of those. (Untried; could be just a rumor.)

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** I have just discovered that the viewer mode is not available with all
versions of mtpaint in all environments. For example the viewer mode of
mtpaint v. 3.44.88 in Puduan-6 with the wmx WM works fine; but not in
xenialPup-706 under the echinus WM.


I have to investigate why: missing lib(s), wrong parameter syntax,
simplified compilation? If anyone has a lead, TIA.

Note, two days after:
I have found the solution to the viewer bug in newer versions of mtpaint.
I explained it here.
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Re: Alternatives to IrfanView in PuppyLinux

#2 Post by greengeek »

musher0 wrote:Also, you can view all pics in a directory (you will have to change pics manually, though), with mtpaint, by typing

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cd your-picture-directory 
mtpaint -v *.jpg
or any format that mtpaint recognizes.
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Great tip, thanks! Also - it appears you can use this alternative syntax to view all supported image file formats in that directory:

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 mtpaint -v *.*

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#3 Post by Makoto »

...I just use IrfanView with Wine. :mrgreen:

I don't remember if you can associate image files directly with programs running through Wine, though; I've ended up with a habit of opening IV first, then dropping images onto it.

Is XNView Linux still a fairly older version of the program? I have it installed, but aside from being an older program, that the mouse pointer never seems to match up entirely correct with what I'm trying to select does tend to be a little annoying.
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#4 Post by perdido »

32-bit version 4.51 works in wine

This is quite nice, guess I should look at windows stuff more often.

Anyone tried to set it up system-wide for file associations one-click open in your favorite file viewer?

Set up irfanview 4.51 in 32-bit wine as default image viewer

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#5 Post by musher0 »

Get a hold of yourselves, guys!

This thread is supposed to promote alternatives to IrfanView on
PuppyLinux. Not boost IrfanView! (hehe)
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#6 Post by a_salty_dogg »

Thanks for starting this topic on my behalf musher0, appreciated.

However I can't see any any of these programs you mention giving the ability to scroll through a folder of mixed format files, which to me was the unique feature of Irfanview.
I know of course that images can be scrolled in Viewnoir or edited in mtPaint, and videos in something like Avidemux or ffconvert, and batch image edits done via command line, but was very nice to have absolutely everything available in a single GUI and executed at the simple touch of a hotkey command!

I've previously come across and tried a utility called "XnView" which browses and edits image directories in a similar and acceptable way, but won't play any videos in folders, though it does at least see that they exist (though without a thumbnail!) and could be set to export them individually by right-click menu to play in any of Puppy's existing mediaplayers. (Better than nothing, I suppose :) )

Being that I've survived perfectly well without Irfanview for a decade or more so far and I'll be lucky to see the end of another one, guess I can manage without it. :wink:

Anyhow, very small price to pay for for the joy of Puppy!


EDIT - Sorry perdido and Makoto, I really did not enjoy my one experience of playing with WINE, even though it was a very long time ago now (in the late lamented Lighthouse Pup, circa 2009-2010?, which came with an optional extra WINE .sfs). Took an age to get it set up and running, very few Windoze programs would actually work in it after all the effort, and the files it created were HUGE! Basically I'd really rather not go back there.
Out of interest, did you manage to get the necessary Irfanview plug-ins, LAME, codecs, etc, installed and working in Puppy?

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#7 Post by perdido »

Hi a_salty_dogg

Maybe take a look at mmview.

A linux based file viewer by mochimoppel, it views a bunch of different formats.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109573

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#8 Post by a_salty_dogg »

@ perdido

That's brilliant... really clever yet seems so simple, and everything works integrally and with a lightning quick response!
Many thanks for the pointer.
Must go to bed now but I'll set up a launcher & menu entry, make it default file manager and have a proper play tomorrow.

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#9 Post by TyroBGinner »

I looked for and tried most of the viewing programs listed, but they were quite inadequate save for xnviewmp, which I run on Ubuntu. It is teriribly buggy! My experience is similar to that mentioned above - the program will not play videos in its internal player (but might if video files are associated with an external player), it will not show video thumbnails for individual files, and oddly it often assigns wrong thumbanils to images and even to files that are not image files. It is maddening, but I can't find anything better, It is good for pdfs and images, save for the incorrect thumbnail assignment bug. And the double-clicking selection feature seems to be the only option.

Irfanview is a fine program, and I always wanted a linux version. It runs quite smoothly in Fatdog using wine. Generally I have had good luck with wine, but I never tried elaborate programs like Microsoft Office.
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#10 Post by step »

Makoto wrote:...I just use IrfanView with Wine. :mrgreen:

I don't remember if you can associate image files directly with programs running through Wine.
You can, look at 6.6.3 (all versions) and also 6.6.4 (since wine 3.14) here https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#How_do_I_as ... in_Wine.3F
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TyroBGinner wrote:I looked for and tried most of the viewing programs listed, but they were quite inadequate save for xnviewmp, which I run on Ubuntu. It is teriribly buggy! My experience is similar to that mentioned above - the program will not play videos in its internal player (but might if video files are associated with an external player), it will not show video thumbnails for individual files, and oddly it often assigns wrong thumbanils to images and even to files that are not image files. It is maddening, but I can't find anything better, It is good for pdfs and images, save for the incorrect thumbnail assignment bug. And the double-clicking selection feature seems to be the only option.
I have encountered incorrect thumbnails a few times. It is quite annoying. Glad there is a menu item to 'Rebuild thumbnails'.

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#12 Post by TyroBGinner »

Thanks for the mention of the "rebuild thumbnails" function. I played with it in the past, but it seemed to have no obvious effect. On closer inspection, it appears to apply only to the selected thumbnail. Strangely, the "select all" function needs to be used to collectively rebuild all the thumbnails in a directory at one time. The program also insists on assigning nonsensical thumbnails to non-media files like html or sfs files. I wonder if others have observed this.

Also, it needs to have better handling of the displaying of entire subtrees. Irfanview is not bad at this, but a more ambitious program like xnview should do better. And the collective drag-and-drop movement of groups of files in the browser window should be improved greatly.

I rigged up a simple group of scripts made to run in rox that allow it to be used as a simple video previewer. It is reasonably effective and somewhat obviates the need for that functionality in xnview.
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#13 Post by Makoto »

Hmm. I'll have to see if I can get XnView MP 0.9.2 to run here, and experiment with it. But a ~50MB download just for an all-around imageviewer suite? :shock:
step wrote:You can, look at 6.6.3 (all versions) and also 6.6.4 (since wine 3.14) here https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#How_do_I_as ... in_Wine.3F
Thanks! I'll have to try that, sometime (although the slight wait for Windows programs to pop up through Wine on my system might become annoying, on those instances where I work with a lot of images).
a_salty_dogg wrote:EDIT - Sorry perdido and Makoto, I really did not enjoy my one experience of playing with WINE, even though it was a very long time ago now (in the late lamented Lighthouse Pup, circa 2009-2010?, which came with an optional extra WINE .sfs). Took an age to get it set up and running, very few Windoze programs would actually work in it after all the effort, and the files it created were HUGE! Basically I'd really rather not go back there.
Out of interest, did you manage to get the necessary Irfanview plug-ins, LAME, codecs, etc, installed and working in Puppy?
I think I started trying to use Wine around the same time, but didn't have any luck until I tried green_dome/version2013's Wine packages. That, and I never really tried to run anything complex under it. :oops:
I may have the graphics plugins/Photoshop filters installed, can't remember. I didn't try the audio/video plugins - didn't see too much of a need when I could play those natively. :)
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#14 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

Re: Presenting JIBS image viewer and sorter for PuppyLinux

If you have a java JRE installed on your Puppy, perhaps as an sfs, you
may wish to try JIBS as an alternative to IrfanView. It's here:
http://img-browse-sort.sourceforge.net/ ... come.shtml

It's rather lightweight (under 600 Kb), considering it's a java app.

And versatile : it allows the user to:
-- view thumbnails in a pictures directory,
-- run a slideshow,
and
-- create convenient contact sheets for fast reference.

One can size the thumbnails by selecting the number of rows and columns
from the menu bar by clicking View -> Thumbnail Options.

One thing I like about JIBS is that, with it, it's hard for me to get lost in
my picture bazaar: at all times, I have the list of pics on the left and the
list of dirs on the right of the picture I am viewing.

You'll find screenshots of JIBS at
http://img-browse-sort.sourceforge.net/ ... hots.shtml,
so no need to include any here.

JIBS docs are found at
http://img-browse-sort.sourceforge.net/ ... sics.shtml

Java apps always look spartan, but if you dress up your JIBS in the
"Nimbus skin", it looks better (IMO).

I'm attaching a pet in three parts to abide by the forum regulation on
attachment sizes.

To reassemble, open a console in your download directory and type:

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cat xa* > JIBS-1.8.3.pet
Once you have recreated the JIBS-1.8.3.pet archive, just click on it and
it will install as usual.

To the original zip archive available on the author's site, I have added:
-- a launcher,
-- a symlink in /usr/bin,
-- a *.png icon from our "Puppy Standards" icons collection
and
-- a *.desktop file, so JIBS will show under sub-menus Graphics or Viewer
in your menu.
-- Plus I have structured the various elements so they fall in the proper
place in Puppy's hierarchy of directories.

As I mentioned in the first paragraph: this app needs a Java JRE to run, at
least version 7. So please do not come crying to Papa that "JIBS doesn't run"
because you forgot to load a Java JRE? Thanks.

Have a great day!
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#15 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

I have found the solution to the viewer bug in newer versions of mtpaint.
Please see here.

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#16 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

Nobody has mentioned fotoxx yet??!!
https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html

With this one, you can send IrfanView back to bed!Image

It should be available through your PPM. If not, the source for the latest
stable version as of this writing, fotoxx-18.07.1, is available from:
https://kornelix.net/downloads/downloads.html
(Please read the notes about compiling it carefully.)

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#17 Post by Makoto »

Wasn't that included with Puppy 4.3.1? (Then again, I was using a non-standard version of 4.3.1.) I vaguely remember trying it on 4.3.1 a long time ago and not liking it as much.
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"not liking it as much" as... ???
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#19 Post by Makoto »

In general, though probably IrfanView, too.

After looking through my 4.3.1 savefile (on this system), and my archive of .pet/etc. files, I think I installed it briefly. I have a .pet for fotoxx, v8.3, downloaded in September 2009. Which, yeah, is probably very different from v18.07.1 (the current version). :)
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#20 Post by musher0 »

Hi makoto.

Yeah, quite different.

The old version of fotoxx created sort of a cross design :
the dir of pictures being presented horizontally and
the picture viewed, vertically.

This one (at least the v. 17 that I have) stays in the same window (more
or less, depending on the size of the picture) with the main menu and
submenus on the left.

To be frank, it is even less intuitive than the old version. But wow!, the
number of features this new version has!!! You almost do not need an
image editor such as mtpaint with this version of fotoxx.

As I said, this new version of fotoxx really sends IrfanView to bed.

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