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Tinkering with DNS over HTTPS
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belham2

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct 2018, 09:47    Post subject:  Tinkering with DNS over HTTPS  

Hi all,

Anyone (8Geee, Moat, etc) been fooling with this and/or running it? Some links (below) for those not familiar with this and/or why it is such a 'big deal'. I've tried the "3" setting in FF and then using Mother Nanny Google, but getting kicked to 'offline' happens still too frequently.

Worrisome part, to me, initially of using "DNS over HTTPS" is that only 4 are providing this. So.......much like the VPN debacles we've all seen over the years, this ultimately comes down to one thing---do we, as users, trust these currentt 4 'dns-over-https' providers that they will not log and keeps all records of DNS queries/translations? If you understand how DNS queries are currently handled, you'll understand the appeal of it happening over https, but still, only 4 current providers? I mean, sheesh...... Confused

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_HTTPS

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/dns-over-https

https://www.securityweek.com/mozilla-brings-encrypted-sni-firefox-nightly

https://blog.usejournal.com/getting-started-with-dns-over-https-on-firefox-e9b5fc865a43
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Flash
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct 2018, 19:37    Post subject:  

Who pays for maintaining a DNS translator?
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s243a

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct 2018, 21:11    Post subject:  

The biggest advantage I see is possibly a speed advantage because if you want security you can use dnscrypt.
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Flash
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Oct 2018, 22:49    Post subject:  

I strongly encourage everyone who's interested in DNS over HTTPS to read this very informative article: A cartoon intro to DNS over HTTPS.
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8Geee


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct 2018, 22:19    Post subject:  

quoting from Flash's article at mozilla.org

"That means that your ISP can still figure out which sites you’re visiting, because it’s right there in the server name indication. Plus, the routers that pass that initial request from your browser to the web server can see that info too."

Unfortunately in the USA the ISP has the ability to intercept the message and use that info (the IP address) as a source of revenue (lets call it spam-mail sent out by their minions- some of whom are rather shady). I would remind all that this ISP usually sends you a monthly bill (CATV, Telco, etc.) that most likely will still increase over time.

In short, it reduces and concentrates the necessary evil of using the web for e-mail and the ISP still monetizes the end-user when shopping/paying bills.

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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct 2018, 06:01    Post subject:  

8.8.8.8 name server is as about as common as using Google for searches. https'ing access/calls to that Google controlled name server doesn't avoid the likes of Google still using that for spyware purposes.
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