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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 13:11    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
The thing is, when you go this way, there is another set of problems waiting, e.g. what p310don posted. The grass is not greener on the other side, unfortunately. We're just exchanging one problem with another.


The puppy init and the init of other puppy-likes are managing so I would not think that it should be particularly challenging to find the sfs. It just needs to search instead of waiting to be told Smile

Talking about the init script here is a bug.
Click initrd (the slimed one generated by the installer, in my case) to extract it in /tmp.
Click on the init icon in the rox window (which will run the init script).
After few seconds you have a “soft crash”. The obvious thing is that rox window with the initrd turns red with no content, the lx panel disappears, and you can not open any application or reboot. But you can still work with existing open apps and ROX is still running. In reality /proc, /sys and /tmp have been taken over by the init run so your system runs without /proc, /sys and /tmp Shocked .

I do not remember this being the case with FD7xx but in any case you may want to change permission of the init script while initrd is unpacked

Latter: Actually the same is happening if you just click/re-run /sbin/system-init without messing with the initrd. Although this one is unlikely to happen by a user, may still be a concern.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 13:55    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
The puppy init and the init of other puppy-likes are managing so I would not think that it should be particularly challenging to find the sfs. It just needs to search instead of waiting to be told Smile
But searching is slow. And unless things have changed, puppy does it in hackish ways: it embeds distro information to the base sfs (by adding some bytes at the end of the SFS - making it non-compliant SFS), in addition to a very strict naming convention for the basesfs filename.

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Talking about the init script here is a bug.
Click initrd (the slimed one generated by the installer, in my case) to extract it in /tmp.
Click on the init icon in the rox window (which will run the init script).
After few seconds you have a “soft crash”. The obvious thing is that rox window with the initrd turns red with no content, the lx panel disappears, and you can not open any application or reboot. But you can still work with existing open apps and ROX is still running. In reality /proc, /sys and /tmp have been taken over by the init run so your system runs without /proc, /sys and /tmp Shocked .

Well if one opens up initrd they'd better know what they're doing Twisted Evil and don't mess around clicking binaries they don't know, because, you know, running as root, those binaries can easily wipe out the harddisk ...

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I do not remember this being the case with FD7xx but in any case you may want to change permission of the init script while initrd is unpacked
It has always been the case.

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Latter: Actually the same is happening if you just click/re-run /sbin/system-init without messing with the initrd. Although this one is unlikely to happen by a user, may still be a concern.
Ok, I was kidding about the above. The solution is for init-script to check if it's running as PID 1, if not, just bail out instead of trying to do something stupid. I'll get this done.

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Guess it would help if the FAQ just popped-up on the opening screen, then?
Indeed. The first time you launch the web browser, you are greeted with Fatdog's local home page. Scroll down, and there is a heading called "Useful Links". One of those links is "Frequently Asked Questions" which contains links to FAQs contained in the ISO, suitable for the that version of Fatdog that you're using.

(The one in ibiblio, which you can reach via Fatdog online homepage (scroll to the "Documentation" heading) always describes the latest version).

Alternatively, there is big blue question mark icon on the desktop (see belham2's screenshot, last post on first page of this thread). It will also launch the FAQ, shown in a slightly different format.

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don570


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 15:44    Post subject:  

Review :
Fatdog64-800 Alpha [16 Nov 2018] worked well with my Intel GMA 950 graphics

However when I tried to run Blender 2.79b I got terminal complaint that
OpenGL 2.1 not installed. But I expected this. Same behaviour in fatdog 720.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/intel-graphics.html#opengl21
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 16:03    Post subject: pFind  

Here is right click menu addition when clicking on a drive
in /mnt. It allows quick search ---> 'Search with pFind'

Download:
pfind-plus-x86_64.txz
320 bytes


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bNdOluXedFkWhdNdcoh2HOwiDpBHxxef
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Also I noticed a right click menu item for mp4 files ---> Open with mhwaveedit

That's a mistake. mhwaveedit does open mp3 files thou.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 16:11    Post subject:  

New version for fatdog64 works well with wacom tablet. Cool
When I checked I could use mypaint appimage that I had downloaded.

I decided to make a proper fatdog package.

I found I could if I made sure that the libraries were loaded with a wrapper script and then run the AppRun file
it would launch from Start menu...

I had to change the desktop file to make it show in Start menu

Categories=Graphics;GTK;2DGraphics;RasterGraphics;


I changed to...

Categories=Graphics;



Here is the wrapper script to load the libraries....
Code:


#!/bin/sh
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/mypaint-3.44/usr/lib
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/mypaint-3.44/lib
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/opt/mypaint-3.44/AppRun  "$@"


Here is the fatdog package I put together...

Available download:
mypaint-3.44-x86_64.txz
Size 48mb

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PkmY6QwS1dtW4VcSvhYlFYfLAMXt31yN
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 16:20    Post subject:  

Mypaint app allows external paint program such as GIMP to be launched,
but it uses the mimeinfo.cache file located in /usr/share/applications/

I had to add following ...
Code:
image/png=gimp.desktop


so mypaint would launch GIMP as external app.
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step

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 18:25    Post subject:
Subject description: Kodi SFS
 

Kodi 17.6 for Fatdog64-800 Alpha coming on SFS Manager (in Control Panel) sometime after midnight North Carolina time. Link to the support thread can be found in my signature below.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 19:40    Post subject:  

Looking nice so far. Installed a vivaldi sfs I had lying around and the support libs (gtk3 and friends). Made some custom wallpapers and hacked around with the icons themes with a theme I had been working on.

I might post the icons one day.

BTW, running as ordinary user too which is made quite simple by just creating a user on Control Panel then select manual login in Control Panel.
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p310don

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 20:07    Post subject:  

Fatdog 800 is the first Pup of any kind I have used that detects my wireless (netgear usb) without me compiling the driver.

BIG BIG TICK

Boot is slow and difficult, but can be fixed

half tick

VLC has no title bar, but otherwise works ok

half CROSS

WINE plays my games perfectly, unlike other Pups OOTB

TICK


I have used it for general purposes on and off for about 24hrs without much issue.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2018, 20:09    Post subject:  

Uhoh... simple-mtpfs fails with
Code:
mick$ mtp-browser.sh
Device 0 (VID=0fce and PID=01f1) is a SONY XPeria XZ Premium.
/home/mick/mtp_G8141
LIBMTP PANIC: Trying to dump the error stack of a NULL device!


I'll try it as root.

Later - hmmm.... works as root. Browses phone fine (BTW: not updated to Pie yet but it is due for my phone any day now).

As a side note, the USB tethering works fine for internet connection as root and user.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018, 00:32    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Uhoh... simple-mtpfs fails with
Code:
mick$ mtp-browser.sh
Device 0 (VID=0fce and PID=01f1) is a SONY XPeria XZ Premium.
/home/mick/mtp_G8141
LIBMTP PANIC: Trying to dump the error stack of a NULL device!


I'll try it as root.

Later - hmmm.... works as root. Browses phone fine (BTW: not updated to Pie yet but it is due for my phone any day now).
Must be access control somewhere on the device node or something. If you can figure this out, that would be good.

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As a side note, the USB tethering works fine for internet connection as root and user.
Thanks for confirming this.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018, 02:30    Post subject:
Subject description: Kodi SFS
 

step wrote:
Kodi 17.6 for Fatdog64-800 Alpha coming on SFS Manager (in Control Panel) sometime after midnight North Carolina time. Link to the support thread can be found in my signature below.


Hi step,

It's working well here, thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018, 03:37    Post subject:  

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The first time you launch the web browser...

That's the first thing I delete (actually, overwrite)! When I open a browser it's usually because I have a particular URL in mind, not to seek instructions. It's all a question of logistics. No idea what's behind the coding, but the best wifi connecting icons simply initiate a scan. That way you can recognise your own ISP signature if at home/work, McDonalds if you eat junk food, the bus company/train company if travelling (just look around and it's plastered all over the walls and ceilings). I guess there might be a problem if you're in a forest, on the lake or travelling incognito?
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018, 08:35    Post subject:  

Hi Billtoo, thanks for confirming that kodi's working well for you.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2018, 09:34    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Uhoh... simple-mtpfs fails with
Code:
mick$ mtp-browser.sh
Device 0 (VID=0fce and PID=01f1) is a SONY XPeria XZ Premium.
/home/mick/mtp_G8141
LIBMTP PANIC: Trying to dump the error stack of a NULL device!

I'll try it as root.

Later - hmmm.... works as root.

Permissions issue? IIRC simple-mtpfs uses fusermount, can your user userid manually sshfs mount for instance?

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