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#21 Post by mikeb »

No obsession with any particular company... google are more the villains here it seems through excessively heavy web pages. They also make one humongous web browser to help force the internet their way.
I just commented on something I had noticed while posting. Ubuntu is not exactly lightweight is it either. I just see a general malaise involving code and data overload akin to the gas guzzlers of the 70s.

If microsoft evolve a decent product to the point of bloat lunacy its hardly just my beef. If you note I use wndows more than anything but for me it light, fast and virus free and usually XP or 2000. NT is a good operating system though much of that credit goes to DEC.

As for these companies policies, again others have much to say on the subject...I am only concerned with anything that interferes with peoples ability to have access to the internet and use of computer technology.
If smart phones are now dominating the publics connection to the net for example then perhaps the development and control of the PC environment may have played at least a small part in that move which to me loses much of the creative world that the PC can offer.

I do hate Tescos though. :)

Anyway this has been a productive thread in my eyes and do not let my emotional upsurges and odd comments from distracting you or anyone else from the benefits that may ensue. I do not intend to start arguments or flame wars.

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#22 Post by Colonel Panic »

Galbi wrote:Thanks to this script:
https://host-flash.com/
my hosts file now weights 41.5 MiB, :shock:
despite that, everything seems to run fine.

Saludos.
I've noticed that my hosts file in AntiX is about 5.2 MB, which makes me wonder if AntiX autoruns a script like that. When I ran the script myself in a different distro I ended up with a hosts file of 17 MB - almost exactly the same size as the one I got from the HP Hosts site (maybe they use this script themselves?).

This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.
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#23 Post by mikeslr »

Colonel Panic wrote: This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.
ditto.

Someone should start a thread and provide a link to the start of the Hosts discussion. But, I haven't had a cup of coffee yet, so can't make a decision on which category would be best: Beginners, Security, Browsers and Internet? Somewhere else?

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#24 Post by TyroBGinner »

How is it possible to load WinXP in twenty seconds on a Pentium 3? I found it to take aabout 150 seconds, if memory serves.
Win10 and lovin' it!

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#25 Post by Colonel Panic »

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mikeslr wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote: This thread has certainly been an eye-opener for me though; that such a simple change can make such a radical difference to my browsing speed and quality. I wish I'd known about it before.
ditto.

Someone should start a thread and provide a link to the start of the Hosts discussion. But, I haven't had a cup of coffee yet, so can't make a decision on which category would be best: Beginners, Security, Browsers and Internet? Somewhere else?
This thread contains a message of the Puppy Advert Blocker, which I believe edits the hosts file as you go to stop unwanted ads;

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112968&
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#26 Post by 8Geee »

mikeb:

Take the smart out of the phone, and use as a phone. This is a phone.
Bring a small laptop/netbook. This is a computer.

Do not mix the two. :idea:

There are still a few phone/text plans around between 5 and 10cents a minute. Personally, I'm using a 5c/minute one 2000 minutes of phone for US$100 good for a year.

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#27 Post by mikeb »

Hmm 3 here do 3p a minute, 2p text and 1p data which is good for whatapps.

Hmm yep PC for pc, the exception is browsing which since it has become so google orientated a smart phone (or preferably tablet) often suceeds now where pcs fail and the pages are lighter. (try spoofing as a smart phone)
Oh also makes a great marine plotter.. And entertainment...hmmm

Well a 1GHz pentium 3 with 512mb ram and newer hard drive and decent vid card...and remove all the crud and keep it that way...and yes such speeds are possible.

Saying that NT4 manages under ten and a near instant shutdown and the no insecurities to fix.

Ok topic gone down plug hole....

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#28 Post by Smithy »

I've got some Vim under the sink, but use it sparingly these days, is NT4 Win 2000? That was seriously nice... 10 secs..= good.

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#29 Post by rufwoof »

mikeb wrote:(try spoofing as a smart phone)
console/terminal can be OK. Run tmux and attach/detach from any device that supports ssh (if more than one of you ssh into the same userid and attach to the same session then you both get to see/control the session (collaboration). Detach from one device, log back in again from another and the same session is still there/running. cli/mc/tmux and some easy to write/create dialogs and cli can be quite nice - at least a consistent look and feel across multiple devices. And the site you ssh into is the one that's recorded as having originated the traffic.

tmux with mc (that also includes the mc -e editor that is a lot easier than vi) is a great combination IMO.

Can't take a snapshot of my actual console (OpenBSD doesn't permit that security hole), but looks similar to this xterm based snap, where the tmux window has been split into two vertically (in that control key + z to zoom in/out). More usually however I don't use panes, and instead use separate windows with each program maximised in each window, where I've set F12 to step between windows (F11 adds another new window). Left window shows my diary dialog, right window is running lynx web browser. That looks/feels much the same whether I'm running it locally or from across remote/ssh.

Mounting a remote sshfs seems to work well IME i.e. mount a music folder as a local mount point and playing music over ssh is OK (mostly). In X you can use the likes of rox to copy to/from that ... as though it were any other folder. cmus if you're using just terminal/console is very good - really quick (mpv will also run from cli). alpine for mail, pdftk for joining/splitting pdf's, youtube-dl for downloading youtubes, lynx or w3m for web browser ... and cli can be a reasonably OK place to be. And once you've set up the ssh server its the same look and feel from whether you ssh in from a £10 low powered pocket device or from your high end/powered desktop system.

For the rest use a smartphone or desktop with chromium or whatever.
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#30 Post by rufwoof »

Puppy has become somewhat bloated. Base OpenBSD can be installed in less than 500MB I believe - and that's uncompressed, and includes extensive documentation (full man pages, errors in which are considered as bugs). Nice having documentation that aligns exactly to what's installed. Base OpenBSD comes with X and a httpd server (I prefer the cwm window manager). Takes around 5 minutes to install. Nowadays I only install chromium and mc on top of that, and where as of the latest release chromium is very tightly restricted in both what memory and disk it can access, as good as sandboxed whilst running natively.

I use chromium for most things, as being pledged and unveiled (security controls) anything it runs also falls under than umbrella. So it serves as my pdf viewer/creator, mp4 player ...etc. I've pretty much given up on google docs (and LibreOffice), for word processing I just bash in the text using a text editor (mc -e), spell check using chromium, insert a few html insert files (header, footer ...etc.) and layout that html file as desired ... and print it to pdf using chromium.

I set my main/home chromium tab to show date/time in the tab title and that tabs content is all my bookmarks (I don't use the browsers bookmark option). Bootup boots to X loaded with chromium maximised ... so in effect my X desktop. I also have some html/javascript files that serve as a calculator and text editor (handy for mouse selecting cut/pasting). I run X as user, root cli ... with all data/docs stored under root so isolated from the web browser and insecurities of X. Between that and ctrl-alt-F1/ctrl-alf-F5 flipping btween cli/tmux/mc (and ssh) and X, and my general needs are served. For anything else I tend to just install via pkg_add (similar to PPM/apt-get/gslapt) - use and then pkg_delete it on a as-and-when-needed basis.
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#31 Post by mikeb »

Hmm A tablet just for wifi browsing seemed the way and keep the pc for everything else.....we shall see. I have got min running on a updated lucid which is basically just the chrome renderer and not much else. Good for html5 vids too.
NT4 Win 2000?
No NT4 preceeded 2000...it did not have the integrated IE so zero internet security issues ..it can run older opera and and a surprising amount of other software... . 2000 and XP are very similar, much of the difference is the interface though IE is easier to deintegrate with 2000. Its my default windows on the pentium 3 .

Nice one with the new hosts file thread.

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#32 Post by ITSMERSH »

Does this mean, I'm now also adopted to google drive?

How would I access this to upload files?

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#33 Post by Mike Walsh »

uBlock Origin works for me. Cuts down on 99% of the crap that slows down yr browsing experience. Funny thing is that although I like using Google's Drive, they get in a real snit over my use of uBlock on any of their related sites. VERY comical..!

I've used Chrome ever since version 1, in Sept. 2008. And I've watched it get gradually slower & slower, and Google get correspondingly nosier & nosier, as the years have wafted past. A real shame, 'cos it was the breakneck speed that attracted me to it in the first place. I'd left Internet Exploder behind 2 or 3 years before, and migrated to Firefox.....but at the time Chrome was released, it was in a regular rut of daily crashes, and horrendous memory leaks, etc. Chrome, by comparison, looked pretty good.

At least my main box, despite being 13 yrs old next February, is still powerful enough to handle the normal, day-to-day cut & thrust of the modern web. For now, anyway.....and while I stick with Puppy, that is. MyCrudSoft left my box behind years ago in term of processing ability. A 64 GB SSD on the old P4-powered Dell lappie runs 3 or 4 Pups, with plenty of room left over for daily data usage, saving/downloading, etc. The big old Compaq desktop does run a 500 GB main drive, but that has around a dozen Pups, plus main data stores, and a shed-load of remotely sym-linked, 'common apps', config files, etc, etc. (And still has a fair bit of unallocated space..!) And a 3 TB external USB desktop drive is 2/3 full of movies, music, and images....but that is exclusively my 'personal' data, and gets unplugged every night.

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?


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#34 Post by Colonel Panic »

Mike Walsh wrote:uBlock Origin works for me. Cuts down on 99% of the crap that slows down yr browsing experience. Funny thing is that although I like using Google's Drive, they get in a real snit over my use of uBlock on any of their related sites. VERY comical..!

I've used Chrome ever since version 1, in Sept. 2008. And I've watched it get gradually slower & slower, and Google get correspondingly nosier & nosier, as the years have wafted past. A real shame, 'cos it was the breakneck speed that attracted me to it in the first place. I'd left Internet Exploder behind 2 or 3 years before, and migrated to Firefox.....but at the time Chrome was released, it was in a regular rut of daily crashes, and horrendous memory leaks, etc. Chrome, by comparison, looked pretty good.

At least my main box, despite being 13 yrs old next February, is still powerful enough to handle the normal, day-to-day cut & thrust of the modern web. For now, anyway.....and while I stick with Puppy, that is. MyCrudSoft left my box behind years ago in term of processing ability. A 64 GB SSD on the old P4-powered Dell lappie runs 3 or 4 Pups, with plenty of room left over for daily data usage, saving/downloading, etc. The big old Compaq desktop does run a 500 GB main drive, but that has around a dozen Pups, plus main data stores, and a shed-load of remotely sym-linked, 'common apps', config files, etc, etc. (And still has a fair bit of unallocated space..!) And a 3 TB external USB desktop drive is 2/3 full of movies, music, and images....but that is exclusively my 'personal' data, and gets unplugged every night.

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?


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Thanks Mike, I'm giving UBlock Origin a try now. I've found a snag with hosts files; sometimes they shut me out of a site I want to visit and for no obvious reason (though 95% of the time they work fine).

P.S. LOL on Internet Exploder (and MyCrudSolt too)! My local computer centre has Windows 10 on its machines and sometimes you have to wait for ages while the machine downloads and then installs updates when booting up (all without asking you first).
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#35 Post by mikeb »

I've heard folks comment that a 500 GB drive is 'uncomfortably tight' to run Windoze 10 on, and that a 'minimum' 1 TB drive is preferable. Not being funny, but what the f**k does Windoze do with all that frickin' space?
My thoughts exactly.... slow you down usually .
I suspect it simply forces hardware updates as it still the same NT underneath that XP and older ran on. Not to mention heavy updates push for more expensive internet contracts. We are part of the product not the customer as the saying goes.

Now about those megs of bandwidth going TO servers when you say login to a site which only actually requires around 50Bytes of data.

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#36 Post by greengeek »

mikeb wrote:Now about those megs of bandwidth going TO servers when you say login to a site which only actually requires around 50Bytes of data
In my view it is theft when companes take control of your bandwidth and either push adverts at you or use that bandwidth to steer you to sites designed to track and monitor you for googles best interests

I find it hard to understand why there has not been some kind of class action holding Google-affiliated sites to account.

You paid for your ISP bandwidth so anyone else who uses it without your express permission is a thief.

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greengeek wrote:I find it hard to understand why there has not been some kind of class action holding Google-affiliated sites to account.
i am semi-neutral on whether we go the socialist utopia route or the ancap utopia route (the latter does seem more likely, there are problems with both) though both seem hypothetical until you replace us all with robots in the workplace--

that said, my understanding of industry is that it is a sacred cow which is in desperate need of assistance whenever it squanders our taxmoney or its own billions, and we all need to all chip in and give from every individual according to their estimated ability, to every monopoly according to its need.

honestly, we need tv ads like the ones for the aspca with sarah mclachlan singing "for just pennies an hour, you can help to bail out a major car company or bank like this one" and have an absurdly wealthy man (or woman) in a suit with a tear about to roll down their cheek.

its a laughable subculture, but it runs underneath all commerce in the united states. (totally different if you go to europe, where youll find cardboard office buildings littering the sidewalks of the largest cities due to the ravages of consumer protection.)

the bottom line-- corporations arent just people, theyre starving children and we should take care of them all-- because they are our future.

so if you were still wondering, THATS why you need to be tracked by 200 other sites when you visit one. wont somebody think of the ceos?

not to mention that with its complete lack of ties to the government, google has very little to prop it up financially or "legally," making it particularly helpless now that it has separated into smaller more vulnerable companies. the same thing happened to at&t once, and we never heard anything from the likes of them ever again.

so the real question isnt why hasnt the public sued google, but why would you kill an innocent baby? its the same thing, except suing google is arguably worse.

if you sue them now, youll never know if someday theyll save the world, or grow up to love linux like microsoft does.
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#38 Post by mikeb »

Hmm perhaps like charity shops we should simply suckle on the teats a little bit harder.

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#39 Post by wiak »

mikeb wrote:Hmm A tablet just for wifi browsing seemed the way and keep the pc for everything else
I hate to say it, but I find myself using a cheap 8" tablet more than my laptop nowadays - unless I'm programming something in gtkdialog/bash or C, but I find myself doing less of that now anyway. It's just so easy to carry the tablet around and it cost me less that 60 US dollars. Mind you I do go to Fdroid for apps on my tablet first - avoiding Play Store as much as possible.

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wiak wrote:I hate to say it, but I find myself using a cheap 8" tablet more than my laptop nowadays
im still waiting for a tablet that doesnt rely too much on bluetooth and an irritating touchscreen, which is fun to program and makes it easy to remove the garbage software i dont want.

if nothing else, its a great way to grow a long beard. ive tried a few tablets, they suck. but i expect people to use them if they dont agree.
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