Fatdog64-800 Alpha / Beta [20 Dec 2018] [CLOSED]

[don570]

Some good news!

My Lenova desktop has
Intel 945G Graphics Memory Controller Hub - NG82945G chipset
Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950

Blender 2.79b doesn't work.
But I read
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... l#opengl21

Missing OpenGL 2.1 Support
From Februrary 2017 onwards, Mesa (the open-source OpenGL library) has dropped OpenGL 2.1 support for certain older and less capable Intel graphic cards.
If you need to run applications that need OpenGL 2.1 (e.g. blender) for these cards, it is possible to retro-fit the the OpenGL 2.1 support.
This is done editing /etc/drirc and adding the following snippets:

<driconf>
...
<device driver="i915">
<application name="Default">
<option name="stub_occlusion_query" value="true" />
<option name="fragment_shader" value="true" />
</application>
</device>
...
</driconf>

I tried this and got Blender to work!! Great.
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[mavrothal]

@mavrothal:
The Xft.dpi issue - I can't reproduce this in qemu. When I set the Xft.dpi to 168, control panel text is _huge_ but I can still see every item. Can you please post screenshot?

I can see everything too. I said "the first row of the Desktop tab does not work!" ie you click and nothing happens.
Example pics (from a VM, but same with physical machine)

[don570]

For people who like audacious audio player (like me)

I put a fatdog package together with old libraries.
I made it for fatdog64 710 but it works for fatdog64 800 as well.
The libraries are kept in /opt folder to avoid strange behaviour.

Available:
audacious-2.5.1-x86_64.txz
Size: 1.1 mb
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nyvXf ... QexonXD6bb
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[SFR]

I can see everything too. I said "the first row of the Desktop tab does not work!" ie you click and nothing happens.

I can repro it.
Clicking anything in the first row makes all icons to shift up/down a little.
Works if I increase the window's height.

Greetings!

[Billtoo]

I moved my SSD install again to my Gateway desktop.
The nouveau driver is working well.
No problems so far.

Thanks.

[01micko]

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SUBSYSTEM=="usb", GROUP="disk"

to 54-fatdog-permissions.rules and then added my 'testuser' to the 'disk' group, reconnected, relogined and now it works as advertised.

Greetings!

Bingo! I had already added my user to the disk group to no avail. Adding the rule and logging back in and we have working android access.

Cheers SFR!

[Sage]

[01micko - nice to see you about again? Slacko7/8?!]

Wifi reprise: two alleged network icons in tray?! Well, without reference to the browser guide (vide infra), finally managed to get connected after a skirmish with PSK - not heard of that before. Scanning was protracted despite being half-a-room from the router. Wasn't sure whether the 'browser guide' would fire up before being connected? Still unsure. However, after reading it after connecting, still as clear as mud. Arcane was an understatement. We know you guys are very adept in your chosen field but the clever thing is making it easy for dumb folks like me. Presently that is very definitely not the case, so my recommendation for something simple like SNS, or even simpler like used by the 'majors' would seem essential. For example, I can usually connect to wifi during initial installation with several mainline offerings because they will want to know that I am not hamstrung by the ridiculous US Laws relating to codecs so that they can d/l them during the process! There has to be an easier way!
But I still like FD64!

[Acodin]

Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs...
rootfs image is not initramfs (no cpio magic); looks like an initrd

a) What's your bootloader?
b) Did you try SFR's suggestions to boot with other OS?

a) syslinux from fd64 installer
b) yes i try so i can make a little update of posts, anyway i must find new 2G ram module

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fd64 800
rootfs image is not initramfs (no cpio magic); looks like an initrd

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fd64 721 kernel 4.7.1
rootfs image is not initramfs (junk in compressed archive) looks like an initrd

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ubuntu
Initramfs unpacking failed: LZMA data is corrupt

I checked with other ram modules

nothing works I know that the problem goes beyond this discussion, but maybe someone has any ideas?

[Baldronicus]

Hi,

Thank you for making Fatdog64 available.

The above laptop has a few "complications" as it also has a separate graphics card in addition to the APU, and it has one of those newer Elan "Precision" touchpads.

I have only been using Fatdog64-800a in live mode with no savefile. At present the hard drive is out, as things are part way through a swap (not a failure, just shifting the deck chairs).

a) With FD64-721 the "nomodeset" parameter was needed to get to the desktop.
FD64-800a gets there without needing it. Thankyou.

b) Until FD64-800a I had been using a mouse with all the distros I had been using, as the touchpad didn't seem to be recognised. With 800a it works. I have only tried moving the cursor and using the left and right "buttons"(which is all I need). Thankyou again. (If you want me to, I could test some of the "gestures", but I'll have to check the manual, and I don't know what settings should be adjusted, if any).

c) First problem- turning off the laptop doesn't seem to complete when shutting down. The usual messages seem to appear as part of the process, the screen blanks etc, and it seems like it has stopped, but the "on" light remains lit even if one waits for a little while. Holding the power button down for more than four seconds does the trick, though. It is, perhaps, not a big thing if you are aware and remember, but I thought I should mention it.

d) Selecting "Pipe Panic" from the menu results in a "Unnamed Window" appearing (sometimes with fragments of the expected display showing in the lower parts of the window, but, more frequently, just black). Following this it may, or may not, be possible to close the window with a "mouse click". Regardless, subsequent attempts to use the mouse "buttons" seem to fail, although I think the cursor can still be moved in most cases. Ctrl-alt-backspace seems to result in a number of dialog boxes etc appearing before the screen shuts down. I think they may be the result of queued actions from my "crazed clicking" being freed before shutdown of the server. I will try to attach a bug report for this. I borked it- doesn't like xz. I will need to check further. Thanks.
Clicking Gvucview (if I have spelt it correctly) in the menu seems to result in similar behaviour.

e) There is also a suspicion that a longer period of inactivity might result in the mouse "buttons" becoming inoperative, but I need to check this properly.

I realise that a lot of this might have something to do with the touchpad, so please advise if you want me to try again with just an attached mouse. However, I am not sure how to isolate the touchpad once it is recognised.
Similarly, I could try using "nomodeset" to see if it is more stable. Ahhh, another monster post and I am thinking as I am writing. I will never finish this if I don't stop now. I'll try the "nomodeset" a bit later.

Thanks again.


Edit- I can't spell or key it seems.

[Baldronicus]

Hi again,

Hopefully the file should be attached (and hopefully it has been saved properly).

Thanks again.

[smokey01]

[01micko - nice to see you about again? Slacko7/8?!]

Wifi reprise: two alleged network icons in tray?! Well, without reference to the browser guide (vide infra), finally managed to get connected after a skirmish with PSK - not heard of that before. Scanning was protracted despite being half-a-room from the router. Wasn't sure whether the 'browser guide' would fire up before being connected? Still unsure. However, after reading it after connecting, still as clear as mud. Arcane was an understatement. We know you guys are very adept in your chosen field but the clever thing is making it easy for dumb folks like me. Presently that is very definitely not the case, so my recommendation for something simple like SNS, or even simpler like used by the 'majors' would seem essential. For example, I can usually connect to wifi during initial installation with several mainline offerings because they will want to know that I am not hamstrung by the ridiculous US Laws relating to codecs so that they can d/l them during the process! There has to be an easier way!
But I still like FD64!

@Sage,

Try these steps:

1. Click on the wifi tray icon. ( you should see an adapter. If not, maybe a suitable driver is not available.) If you plugged in a wifi adaptor after you booted the computer, you may need to right-click on the wifi icon in the tray and restart the connection.
2. Click the scan button.
3. Double click on the access point (SSID) that you wish to connect to.
4. Enter the access point password in the PSK field. (Pre-Shared Key)
5. Click Add.

Within a few seconds you should be connected.

[Baldronicus]

@ Acodin

Hi Acodin,

I am butting in, with little knowledge, so this probably won't help.

Nevertheless, are all the RAM modules (including the 2G one that works) actually specificied as DDR2-667 ones?

The reason I ask is that I think DDR2-667 might be a bit harder to get here, as (if my recollection is correct) DDR2-800 modules started coming out and sort of took over even before they were even kind of official (but I could be wrong).
I don't know what kind of supply is available where you are.

This may even be irrelevant as many systems could just run with the 800. But with 4Gig you are trying to run at the max. I have a laptop (granted, with a ULV processor, which may be more sensitive) that won't even look at the DDR2-800 RAM.

There is also the strong possibility that the laptop is attempting to run in Dual-channel mode whenever more than one memory module is in place. It is my understanding that Dual-channel requires identical memory modules (close enough may not be good enough).

When you load the different RAM modules, can you get to the BIOS to see what it is recognising and whether it is trying to run in Dual-channel mode?

I know you said that you had done a Memtest, but does the BIOS have it's own quick memory check? (Or is that the memory test that you mean, rather than a full Memtest86 check)?

Apologies if this is just wasting your time, but I thought I should ask.
Thanks.

[don570]

I was able to get gmic plugins to work for gimp if I installed fftw3 and
png12 library as well
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/packag ... 6_64-1.txz
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/packag ... 6_64-1.txz
Available
gmic-plugin-64bit-1.7.9.pet
Size 5mb
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sHHf0 ... lBvZ-7aCM7
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[Billtoo]

I've moved the SSD back to my Compaq Presario because I've made a few changes here and it runs well on the Presario.
Now using a wireless adapter which I setup in the control panel, boots with wireless every time.

Works well,
Thanks.

[Acodin]

Hangs at 'Booting the kernel' after ram upgrade problem solved.

it was so simple that it was stupid

I described my problem in Russian and found the answer in the second result

I added to the boot command line 'mem=5G' (because when i put here 4G fatdog loads only 3G of RAM). I really sincerely thank you all for your help.

[belham2]

Just wanted to give a heads up on Seamonkey problems I had earlier. Other than the "add-ons" thing, which SFR/Jamesbod gave me the fix, it seems to be running ok now. I was getting weird behavior when I would log-in, for example, to say--Murga-Linux here---where I was getting randomly logged in and logged out. So I definitely did something to cause that, as wiping Firefox's data + refreshing Firefox made it stop.


I also have another question concerning Fatdog: I want to try User Mode Linux following the instruction's page at ibiblio. Am I correct in assuming UML is still an option for us in 800? Or has it been discontinued/deprecated? If it still an option in 800, is it completely included in the devx where we only load the devx and install nothing else?? After doing my frugal install and then updating Gslapt (but without the devx loaded), I just did a quick check to find "linux_uml" and "uml_utilities" packages from the Package Manager. But nothing came back.....so, they are in the devx, yes?

Thank you.

[Sage]

1. Click on the wifi tray icon. ....
2. Click the scan button.
3. Double click on the access point (SSID) that you wish to connect to.
4. Enter the access point password in the PSK field. (Pre-Shared Key)
5. Click Add.

Many thanks, smokey!
As I reported, I did eventually manage to get wifi 'up' via the icons. I suspect I must've negotiated the steps you describe, but it wasn't anything like as straightforward as suggested. As I recall there were other procedures needed. Nowhere is PSK described in plain language - this sort of bad English shortened to a very bad acronym is just unacceptable and mindful of the 'pre-used' cars advertised because their purveyors presumptuously assume their clients would be too posh and/or offended to suggest that someone else had already 'used' the automobile. Moreover, especially as it's being offered at too high a price for a used article!
All that aside, I reckon if you are able to expand your instructions to include all steps, translate into Queen's English, then convert into an auto pop-up as soon as the boot screen appears and after a wifi module has been auto detected, then that would be the dog's whiskers, paraphrasing.

[Baldronicus]

Hi again,

Using the "nomodeset" parameter appears to have solved the problems noted above.

The laptop shuts down correctly, Pipe Panic and Gucview (hopefully I got it right this time) open properly.

I haven't tried leaving the machine idle, but I have a strong suspicion from the above that it will be fine too.

Apologies for not thinking of trying it sooner.

Thanks again for all your work in making Fatdog64 available.

[kirk]

Sage,

I guess I've just used wpa_gui so much I don't notice it. I'll merge the two network icon apps in the tray into one app and try to make some of the labels in wpa_gui clearer. Thanks for your input.

[jamesbond]

I added to the boot command line 'mem=5G' (because when i put here 4G fatdog loads only 3G of RAM). I really sincerely thank you all for your help.

Glad you can make it work and thanks for sharing the solution with the rest of us too.

Am I correct in assuming UML is still an option for us in 800

Yes.

1. Edit /usr/bin/start-uml.sh with geany.
Replace line 137 with this one:

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myip=$(ifconfig $HOST_ADAPTER | sed '/inet6/d; /inet/!d; /127.0.0/d; s/.*inet [^0-9]*//; s/[^0-9]*netmask.*//' | head -n 1)

2. Download uml kernel from http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/packag ... 6_64-1.txz and install it (or use gslapt).

3. Enjoy.