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PostPosted: Fri 07 Dec 2018, 12:41    Post subject:  

for arch fans that dont like systemd:

https://hyperbola.info

just got added to the official fsf distros page.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Dec 2018, 23:19    Post subject:  

Hi nosystemdthanks,

I just realized that your moniker was no-sytemd-thanks. I'm slightly astigmatic. Almost failed the 5th grade because of the difficulty I had reading. [Never really learned how to spell]. By now I can quickly scan and get the gist of things. But unless I concentrate I miss details. Up until now I thought your moniker was nosymethinks = nosy-me-thinks. Rolling Eyes I thought that a clever self-evaluation. Wink

I guess I'll have to take your posts more seriously. Sad

p.s. Don't think you were singled out. For a long time I thought belham2's moniker was bedlam. Now I have to take his posts more seriously. A world in which people always take themselves seriously is not as much fun. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Dec 2018, 01:28    Post subject:  

mikeslr wrote:
I guess I'll have to take your posts more seriously. :(


my handle is actually nostril-de-franks, im going to blame this misunderstanding on the w3c.

i should have also mentioned that while it is based on arch, hyperbola has the distinction of being stable and lts. im not sure what that means yet in practice, but theyre adamant about it and its quite ambitious.

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PostPosted: Sun 09 Dec 2018, 05:27    Post subject:  

nosystemdthanks wrote:
for arch fans that dont like systemd:

https://hyperbola.info

just got added to the official fsf distros page.



I am an long time Arch user, and I downloaded Hyperbola yesterday after seeing your post. Hadn't been aware of it.

Let me just say this:

Hyperbola is to Arch what Arch is to the rest of the Linux world in terms of getting things setup and actually working.

In other words, Hyperbola (while laudable in their efforts, especially a LTS Arch with Debian-like applied security updates) is a godforsaken mess of an OS. The time I spent just trying to get basic stuff to setup & actually run was unbearable, frustrating, maddening.....and I am an "Arch" guy who loves the Arch-way of setting stuff up!

Hyperbola needs a whale-load more work and, especially, serious coding help so that the simple things upon initial booting up are not so obtuse & frustrating. What is/was maddening is that the things Arch has accomplished over the years & made straight-forward Hyperbola has suddenly made 'hard' and a "guessing game" again.

My Hyperbola verdict: In its present iteration, a "not worth the effort".
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Dec 2018, 04:08    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest update of Bunsen Labs Helium (4), and it's working well though it still has for me the rather gloomy dark blue / slate blue theme I criticised an earlier incarnation of it for (and which can of course be changed).

I'm still in two minds as to which I prefer between Helium and Crunchbang (to which it is closely related), but it's good that I've got enough room on my hard drive for both.

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Dec 2018, 13:22    Post subject: Fedora 29, x86-64  

Have a soft place in my heart for both Manajaro/OpenSUSE and Fedora.

Last several days, have been using Fedora's latest stable (29) and, as usual, it runs really well.

Installed Fedora 29 to a USB 3.0 64GB and am running it on a laptop with low end specs (see pic):

--a 1.5GHZ Celeron with only 1.8GB of memory.


This says something about Fedora (and OpenSUSE & Manjaro).

Any Ubuntu/Debian mainstream distro just bogs and nearly locks this poor laptop down, yet something like Fedora screams on it. Even when I plug in a 2nd-HDMI-screen (again, see pic below) to this little laptop, Fedora automatically sees it and automatically places it in the correct orientation of my setup.

Now, of course, you still got the old Fedora niggles when using the OS. Like, them not installing everything they probably could/should. Or having to use admin:/// to get nautilus root. But once you get past those, and get past the rpmfusion stuff setup, get a blink browser in there (Chrome and/or Chromium), Fedora 29 & Gnome 3.30.2 (with, of course, Dash to Panel and Dash to Dock Gnome extensions installed) everything is good to go.

What's very interesting in Fedora 29 is the Boxes virtual-machine application included default by Fedora. It is unlike any vm application I know: during any startup it even links to numerous OSes ISOs that then the Boxes application (basically a KVM/QEMU frontend) will download for you and setup everything in a vm automatically. You touch and/or set nothing. Next ting you are faced with in a functioning VM of that OS. Since my ram is so limited, I downloaded myself the latest Anti-X 64-bit ISO, and Boxes ran it wonderfully.


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PostPosted: Sat 15 Dec 2018, 09:45    Post subject: Fedora 29 and Boxes VMs  

Just wanted to follow up on the Boxes VM (basically a QEMU-frontend GUI) program in Fedora 29.

I've been testing numerous pups inside Boxes the best few days, weird which ones run cleanly, or run but struggle with a mouse and/or keyboard conflict with Boxes, or just plain don't run.

Below are pics of the ones I've gotten to load and basically run. I also included a pic of Porteus and Slax, which ran really well compared to many of the pups.

The thing with Boxes is you only download an ISO, click once to open with Boxes, and sit back and watch as everything for that VM session is set & then opened up. The upside is fantastic ease of use, the downside, well, if you're a VM user, you know how we want control over nearly every setting possible. Still, boxes opens up a whole new world to those who've never tried VMs and/or or who have been too afraid to try them.

(....one of the most interesting things here is running Barry's latest Easy inside a Boxes' VM, and then running his pre-setup Containerized Seamonkey in Easy. Basically you have two-levels of Containers, which would be pretty darn hard/impossible for anything to break thru while you're testing and/or surfing....)

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Dec 2018, 13:34    Post subject: Manjaro-18-stable-x86_64 (Cinnamon community version)  

Manjaro-18-stable-x86_64 (Cinnamon community version)

Never thought that I would say this but it's current boot speed & subsequent performance trounces most Pups and Dogs that I have used.
In the YT link in my signature panel below there is a 2013 video of the XFCE version. Back then it was nice but Puppy was better.

First install was to a dedicated 30GB ext4 partition on my SSD (sdb3). Boot was provided by my old favourite Syslinux 4.04 rather
than Grub2 which I have no love for. Boot media was my usual SD card with an additional vesamenu entry as follows:

Code:
MENU SEPARATOR

LABEL manjaro
MENU LABEL Manjaro-18     sdb3  06/12/18
KERNEL /vmlinuz-4.19-x86_64
APPEND  root=UUID=1a56b14c-c465-4487-b899-f92f572dea8e libata.force=noncq rw acpi=force apm=power_off vga=current quiet resume=UUID=40c39eef-d87a-4b59-9fc3-9d9f0cacc772
INITRD /initramfs-4.19-x86_64.img


From a cold boot it takes 5s to reach the vesamenu. The systemd stats from that point on are attached and in conjunction with the 5s to reach
the vesamenu , shows the boot from cold in <10s.

A second install to a 14GB f2fs partition on a USB3 stick with a simple syslinux.cfg just containing a single active line came in at <25s

Full sized screen-shot here: (Press F11 to toggle into full screen then click on link)
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1Jd2XEykLABITNnPL9w-bcbkIMkRVE5QE
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PostPosted: Tue 18 Dec 2018, 09:28    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest version of Debian Stretch (9.6), which went well. Here it is with one of my favourite window managers (especially with Debian), CTWM;

My next task (when I've got time, maybe over the holidays?) is to update the whole installation to Debian Testing.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Dec 2018, 07:51    Post subject: Live Linux ad  

Saw an online ad for XTRA-PC a fast live linux system to 'revive old laptops, save spending hundreds on a new system'. Can't work out what it is. See:
https://en.nexttech.com/XtraPC/1/?cep=zghL-puAq2zETNJGX6Fw3-qd1nofgFAkF7ncMHGwcn9P3bSdLU3NLXDW1FnOASPCEFA7V5PL4hZ4jaFvxHR3pEuwwiFNOW3JMTZscEqBupeovRTbFkCq2Bzf3Z5qf-VkOrhX7C4VVhvbLbSQmN_u5ZJRaL33eSlAJpPUTXJMRUIFVuBkwiwjRIMzbNUlF5uwoq84w_b2Rps4Y7Dit0sfHUCUGFVhM2DZaDjxkEOGlMfe_Wt7MJKHNH7jsJsL1uwP9lWsN7X-6xvDdby_1SP3Zg&cid1=w2JGM9U3FASMV34J1TS0V3DQ
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Dec 2018, 16:46    Post subject:  

There's nothing in XTRA-PC of any interest to a Puppyist. It's just a Linux preinstalled on a flash drive, with a reasonable selection of the standard productivity apps and tech support to hold your hand. The target customer is someone who doesn't know anything about Linux and doesn't want to, just wants to make an XP-era computer reasonably functional again.

I see lots of comments complaining that anyone can make their own bootable Linux flash drive. That's missing the point. You can bake your own bread and change the oil in your car yourself, too. MOST people are perfectly happy paying someone else to do these things.
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 10:53    Post subject:  

It's great that the 14.04 LTS series of Ubuntu still works on my (ten year) old machine even when so many other distros don't, including later versions of Ubuntu.

I've just installed Kubuntu 14.04.5 on my machine and performed a full distro upgrade, only to find that LibreOffice was still at version 4. I found these instructions for installing the latest version of LibreOffice in Ubuntu, and fortunately they work even in this release;

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install libreoffice

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1000061/how-do-i-install-libreoffice-6-in-ubuntu

So I can use LibreOffice 6 on this old machine! (I think I can in Debian Testing as well, but I've yet to try that out.)

Merry Christmas.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2019, 07:25    Post subject: Other Distros  

,
I updated a Manjaro install that I did a few months ago, works well.

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Edit: also updated this Manjaro install:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.20.0-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.13.2git-UNKNOWN Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine: Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: 200-009 v: N/A serial: <root required>
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 2B38 v: 1.02 serial: <root required> UEFI: AMI v: 80.03 date: 12/15/2014
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Celeron 2957U type: MCP speed: 971 MHz min/max: 800/1400 MHz
Graphics: Device-1: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile v: 4.5 Mesa 18.3.1
Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet driver: r8168
Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM43142 802.11b/g/n driver: wl
Drives: Local Storage: total: 29.82 GiB used: 13.17 GiB (44.2%)
Weather: Temperature: 3 C (37 F) Conditions: Overcast Current Time: Sat 05 Jan 2019 12:36:24 PM EST (America/Toronto)
Info: Processes: 163 Uptime: 1h 08m Memory: 1.80 GiB used: 705.0 MiB (38.2%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.28

Works great.
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EDIT: Also updated this install:
System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.20.0-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine: Type: Laptop System: Apple product: Macmini6,1 v: 1.0 serial: <root required>
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 v: Macmini6,1 serial: <root required> UEFI: Apple
v: MM61.88Z.0106.B03.1211161202 date: 11/16/2012
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Core i5-3210M type: MT MCP speed: 2013 MHz min/max: 1200/3100 MHz
Graphics: Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa 18.3.1
Network: Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n driver: bcma-pci-bridge
Drives: Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 17.65 GiB (3.8%)
Weather: Temperature: -13 C (9 F) Conditions: Partly Cloudy Current Time: Mon 07 Jan 2019 05:38:49 AM EST (America/Toronto)
Info: Processes: 186 Uptime: 18m Memory: 15.57 GiB used: 658.0 MiB (4.1%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.28
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jan 2019, 04:39    Post subject:  

tried antiX the other day - base version
quite fast, low RAM consumption, lower than puppy, only marginally though.
multiple WMs
dropbox works OOTB without asking u to move it to ext4 partition
video tearing is there in browsers but so is in puppy, until u modify the xconf file in etc
a good control center, aggregating all the system control options
i dont know, porting jwm files over to antiX might just work, havent tried yet. holidays over now
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Jan 2019, 03:54    Post subject:  

Good for you! AntiX is one of the best distros out there, especially for people like me with older computers. I installed the latest version od AntiX, 17.3.1 (64-bit), this week and it's working well and seems very economical on resources (the default wallpaper of a train station in the evening is surprisingly effective too);

https://distrowatch.com/images/cgfjoewdlbc/antix.png

BTW, although I haven't done any comparison test between the system resources the 64-bit version uses compared to the 32-bit, I haven't so far noticed any great difference between the two.

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