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Using extern SSd Drive as a Cheap Substitute for Flashdrive
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backi

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2019, 12:21    Post subject:  Using extern SSd Drive as a Cheap Substitute for Flashdrive
Subject description: More Storage for less money
 

Hi you guys !

Did a bit research for Topic how to use a SSD (Solid State Drive ) as an external portable Device .
So i bought a cheap USB 3.0 to SATA Kabel, USB 3.0 Kabel SATA for 2.5 HDD SSD on Amazon (just an Example ) .

10 Bucks (Euro)

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01E3QSG3Y/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B01E3QSG3Y&pd_rd_w=THaXD&pf_rd_p=00903874-3af0-47e0-8622-ee58087f71cf&pd_rd_wg=S0Ly2&pf_rd_r=9HF4MGJVJPWNF2RFB8YF&pd_rd_r=a603fd1c-2edd-11e9-bf81-a71f026692ee

and for 20 Bucks (Euro) :
128 gb Intenso SSD

https://www.amazon.de/Intenso-interne-SSD-Festplatte-128GB-Performance/dp/B0093RN0PI

Just plugged the SSd to the Adapter and plug it into a free Usb Slot .
Format it with Gparted and use it like a (portable) Usb-Flash Drive or like a portable Hardrive now.

Cool .....should have known earlier .
Think it is even less expensive than buying Usb-Sticks
Much more Storage for less Money .....and quite fast(er) .

Of course you can replace your magnetic Hardrive with SSD still .
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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2019, 18:22    Post subject:  

Inateck has some interesting products...

English page....
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/836B30F0-FF4E-42F3-B722-21075A3EA8BD?ingress=2&visitId=e8029ec0-e4fa-4de9-a20f-5b6f047ab372&ref_=bl_dp_s_web_9123884011
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2019, 18:40    Post subject:  

If you have a desktop computer with a free pcie slot there is a better solution---> much faster speed is possible.

For $16 US this will hold mSATA memory which is falling in price
and will give excellent speed. Half height bracket is included for SFF computers.

https://www.amazon.com/SHINESTAR-Adapter-Expansion-Profile-Controller/dp/B077JP69XV/ref=sr_1_13?keywords=pcie+sata+memory&qid=1550183566&s=gateway&sr=8-13


$ 13 US model
https://www.amazon.com/QNINE-SATA3-0-Expansion-Express-Controller/dp/B07B8CJ91S/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=pcie+msata+card&qid=1550184244&s=gateway&sr=8-3#customerReviews
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backi

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2019, 13:37    Post subject:  

Hi you guys !
Thanks for interesting Infos .
Does anybody know if and how to connect SSD via eSata Port (extern) on a Laptop ?

Regards !
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2019, 14:49    Post subject:  

You can buy sata-esata adapter cables, but there will be a problem with power. Your USB adapter supplies power to the SSD. But I don't believe that an esata connection can do that.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb 2019, 15:40    Post subject:  

There are two types of eSATA
One supplies power, the other doesn't.

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LateAdopter

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2019, 04:54    Post subject:  

Hello backi

Many of the cheap SATA to USB3 adapters only handle sufficient SCSI3 commands to work with Windows. But linux is more fussy when it comes to the "trim" and "discard" options.

There are plenty of discussions in Ubuntu and other forums about which ones work properly with linux and which ones will work with some manual tweaking.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb 2019, 07:11    Post subject:  

Most of the newer SSd drives handle trim themselves in idle moments and do NOT rely on the OS to do it.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2019, 20:23    Post subject:  

I went to wikipedia page and read following about power to esata port...

Quote:
+12 V issue

There are only two versions of this port. Most laptop computers do not have 12 V power available, and have an eSATAp port which provides only 5 V. Desktop computers, with 12 V available, have a port with two additional pads, placed against the plug's "horns", which provide 12 V. Some manufacturers refer to these ports as eSATApd, where d stands for "dual voltage". Some devices, such as 2.5-inch drives, can operate off the 5 V supplied by laptop eSATAp ports. Others, such as 3.5-inch drives, also require 12 V; they can be powered from a desktop eSATAp port, but require an external 12 V power supply if used with a laptop computer. This can lead to confusion if users are not aware of the distinction.

eSATAp PCI and PCI-e add-on cards are available for desktop computers. They usually provide two eSATAp ports, with port multiplier functionality, and hot-swap capability.

eSATAp cables are available with wide connectors to plug directly into the power and signal connectors of a bare drive, providing a 12 V supply in the case of a desktop machine. A version of this wide connector is found inside every external SATA hard drive enclosure; when the hard drive is slid inside, it mates with a connector that supplies it with both signal and power.

If the smaller side of this cable is plugged into a "powered" ESATA port, providing both 12 V and 5 V, then the wide end may be plugged into a 2.5" or 3.5" SATA hard drive, supplying the bare drive with both signal and power. The small 2.5" drive will get signal and power at 5 V, which is all that the smaller drive requires, and which the larger 3.5" drive requires only for its logic board. Additionally, the larger 3.5" drive will get the 12 V it needs to power its disk spindle motor. Thus a bare hard drive may be attached directly to the computer, powered by the unique cable, where it will run at full SATA speeds, without the necessity of placing the hard drive into an external enclosure.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 04:46    Post subject:  

Hi !

Regarding :
Connecting external 2.5 HDD SSD to Esata Port of Laptop using the above mentioned USB 3.0 SATA Kabel/Adapter:

Connecting was easy and worked immediately without using external electricity
Supply .
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 09:14    Post subject:  

Look at the label beside the port. Is it actually a combination USB/eSata connector?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 10:50    Post subject:  

Hi !
Yes there is written eSata and a three forked Usb Symbol .

I have a few Questions when using SSD with FRUGAL Installs .
There are Discussions about reducing read Accesses to SSD which could prolong SSD`s Live .
Implementing diverse Options like relatime noatime etc. shall modify read Accesses in a way no Writes/Changes will be done .(dont know how to express)
Here for Example :

https://superuser.com/questions/1156868/is-relatime-better-than-noatime-on-fstab-for-ssd

Is it meant for Full Installs or will it work also in frugal Installs on SSD?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 11:05    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Yes there is written eSata and a three forked Usb Symbol .

So I believe that your SSD is still working as a USB3 device.

Quote:
There are Discussions about reducing read Accesses to SSD which could prolong SSD`s Live .
Implementing diverse Options like relatime noatime etc. shall modify read Accesses in a way no Writes/Changes will be done .

I believe that all Puppies run with "noatime", but I cannot find the info to confirm that.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 11:50    Post subject:  

Hi rcrsn51 !
Found this regarding how to check esata port speed linux .

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=250355

Result of my terminal Output :

root@live:~# dmesg -t | grep AHCI
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 6 ports 6 Gbps 0x39 impl SATA mode

Found interesting Link :


https://www.dell.com/support/article/de/de/debsdt1/sln291980/frequently-asked-questions-faqs-about-the-esata-port-on-a-dell-pc?lang=en#collapseOne
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2019, 12:08    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
root@live:~# dmesg -t | grep AHCI
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 6 ports 6 Gbps 0x39 impl SATA mode

That may be your internal SATA hard drive.

Run: lsusb. Does the SSD appear in that list? If so, it's still working as a USB device.
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