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Precise-light - 17March2019 - for older hardware
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jrb


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 10:40    Post subject:  Precise-light - 17March2019 - for older hardware
Subject description: Updated minimal version of Precise-5.7.1
 

New Improved Version WoofCE-testing-17March2019: Older versions moved to post 3.
precise-light-5.7.2-mk2.0.iso
md5sum=06583fd75527dc24bf47b997b160e517
ISO size 110 Mb

1st Update:
precise-light-5.7.2-mk2.0.iso___precise-light-5.7.2-mk2.1.iso.delta
md5sum of delta =bcb2992311f661f167244f7fe085e2b5
md5sum of ISO = 107cdc6e1836f9e8e1698f991572f74e
ISO size 110 Mb
See here for details and how to use .delta file.

This new version is build with a later WoofCE containing numerous improvements. It also has some updated software and some oversights corrected. I also learned a bit more about building Puppies so all files are now listed in /var/packages/builtin_files and all packages are listed in /var/packages/woof-installed-packages. Unfortunately the new Woof places the /packages folder in /var as opposed to the old system of placing it in /root. This will create a problem with your old savefiles. Not insurmountable but easier to create a new one I think.

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Recently I found an Acer Aspire One ZG5 in our local recycle. Took it home, reinstalled XP, ordered a new battery and it was as good as new. Installed upupbb32 and it bogged right down, 1GB memory just wasn't enough. So I tried various older puppies and Precise and Tahr worked quite well although quite outdated.

I also want to take this opportunity to recommend my very simple to use Portable Browser Installer which works very nicely with Precise-light. Very Happy Or you may wish to use Palemoon-27.9.4SSE portable installer if you have a very old SSE computer.

Thanks to perdido, musher0, mavrothal, sheldonisaac, Volhout, mikeslr, peebee, 666philb and nic007 for input and testing. Thanks to futwerk for the great desktops.

Hopefully this will be of some use on your older hardware. Good Luck, J
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 10:50    Post subject:  

Portable Browser Installer Installs portable versions of the latest Firefox, Palemoon, Seamonkey and/or Thunderbird email client

Palemoon works very well. Peebee keeps an up to date .sfs version at https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/LxPupSc/browsers/. Thanks Peebee. (sadly I haven't found any current chromium based browsers that work Sad )

Seamonkey 2.49 (the latest) Make sure you download in a 32bit browser to get the right version for Precise. Peebee's repo has that too.

FireFox66 (the latest) Make sure you download in a 32bit browser to get the right version for Precise. Peebee's repo has that too.

Firefox Quantum Portable, built from fredx181's script works well.

OscarTalks dillo-3.0.5-precise.pet. is a very small browser which will access many (not all) websites.

Calibre ebook viewer and converter works well.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 11:09    Post subject:  

Both versions come with Linux Kernel: 3.14.56PAE because that's the kernel I've had the best luck with on all my old and new hardware from P4 to i5.

Comes with Gtk+3 so will run some modern apps. See browsers above.

Apps are fairly complete with some substitutions:

Rtfed instead of Abiword.
No spreadsheet
playmusic using ffplay as the media player
Peasywifi is the default connect. No frisbee
Evince instead of Epdfview

See here to get peasyscan working.

I use FreeOffice installed on my hard-drive for word processing and spreadsheet. It works very well in Precise.

Old Version 5.7.1 WoofCE 9Sep2017
Precise-light-5.7.1+0 comes with no browser but ones that work are listed below. The ISO comes in at 112MB
md5sum=5b674c362519dea9016dfe0d4c0bc55b

The first update, precise-light-5.7.1+0.iso___precise-light-5.7.1+1.iso.delta is available. See here for a list of changes in the update and also instructions on how to use it.
md5sum of .delta file = 48b8acb6b37af2955aae46a0f6c91b8e
md5sum of new .iso = f68a98bf29e55666418c0a2b9aa25f58

The second update, precise-light-5.7.1+0.iso___precise-light-5.7.1+2.iso.delta is available. See here for a list of changes in the update and also instructions on how to use it.
md5sum of .delta file = 4db8e238cc461c81bd98dfbdf9e4b5f4
md5sum of new .iso = 3ac4f703ea1318c9d2d5d0d00b67d634

The third update, precise-light-5.7.1+0.iso___precise-light-5.7.1+3.iso.delta is available. See here for a list of changes in the update and also instructions on how to use it.
md5sum of .delta file = 915ebace4656793e4f3e73f024fe8efd
md5sum of new .iso = 20769337e5b1c454e915aea2e1ea10bd
ISO comes in at 107MB

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ally


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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 11:26    Post subject:  

mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Precise

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 11:32    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Precise

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WOW! Are your ever quick. Thanks ally Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 13:04    Post subject:  

Nice!
Do not remember if this was also true for Precise original but on first shutdown will not save on ext4 partitions.
This is because guess_fstype reports ext4 as ext3 resulting in failure when trying to "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdxN" to generate the savefile.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 14:18    Post subject:  

Just a mention: I used the original Precise 571 last week, stripped out only two components, ie. libLLVM and the old browser and made a new sfs at maximum xz compression. The new base sfs is 107MB. I did the same with Tahr Puppy. Both are using Seamonkey 2.48 (I just downloaded the tarball from the Seamonkey site ande made an sfs-addon).

Edit: I've noticed jrb used a newer kernel ie. the same one Tahr 605 has which is rock solid so I have swopped kernels too. My base sfs is now 111MB (which includes the zdrv) and still have the same applications as the standard Precise 571 release. Not bad.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:08    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
Nice!
Do not remember if this was also true for Precise original but on first shutdown will not save on ext4 partitions.
This is because guess_fstype reports ext4 as ext3 resulting in failure when trying to "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdxN" to generate the savefile.

Thanks for trying it. I've had problems in the past with input/output errors with ext4 so all my drives are ext3. If you can suggest a fix I'll be happy to incorporate it.
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:11    Post subject:  

nic007 wrote:
Just a mention: I used the original Precise 571 last week, stripped out only two components, ie. libLLVM and the old browser and made a new sfs at maximum xz compression. The new base sfs is 107MB. I did the same with Tahr Puppy. Both are using Seamonkey 2.48 (I just downloaded the tarball from the Seamonkey site ande made an sfs-addon).

You had my hopes up for a bit, but I just tried Seamonkey 2.49.1 and it wanted GTK3. Still Seamonkey 2.48 is fairly current. I'll make a note of it in the intro. Thanks


Edit: I just tried 2.48 and it does indeed work. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:20    Post subject:  

jrb wrote:
nic007 wrote:
Just a mention: I used the original Precise 571 last week, stripped out only two components, ie. libLLVM and the old browser and made a new sfs at maximum xz compression. The new base sfs is 107MB. I did the same with Tahr Puppy. Both are using Seamonkey 2.48 (I just downloaded the tarball from the Seamonkey site ande made an sfs-addon).

You had my hopes up for a bit, but I just tried Seamonkey 2.49.1 and it wanted GTK3. Still Seamonkey 2.48 is fairly current. I'll make a note of it in the intro. Thanks


I installed gtk3 in Barry's 5.7.1 and it works fine, might be ok for yours too.
Built the pet from deb packages from ubuntu 12.04, it does not seem to be kernel specific.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=907410#907410

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:27    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
I installed gtk3 in Barry's 5.7.1 and it works fine, might be ok for yours too.
Built the pet from deb packages from ubuntu 12.04, it does not seem to be kernel specific.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=907410#907410
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Thanks for that perdido. I'll add the link to your .pet here:
http://www.ibm-pc.org/puppy/libgtk-3-0_3.4.2_i386_precise.pet

Edit: Hey, I just installed perdido's .pet and seamonkey 2.49.1 starts right up without complaint. Excellent, who knows what else will work?
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:36    Post subject:  

Yes, Seamonkey 2.48 was the last GTK2 version but quite new anyway. Thanks for GTK3 though, good to have for new browser releases in future.
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 15:40    Post subject:  

There's a nice Precise VLC2.16 download from OscarTalks mentioned in one of my recent posts, works well. A later version may work with GTK3?
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 16:05    Post subject:  

ext4 support in Precise is probably not in it or not complete.
Precise development was about the time ext4 support was getting into Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2019, 16:45    Post subject:  

jrb wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
Nice!
Do not remember if this was also true for Precise original but on first shutdown will not save on ext4 partitions.
This is because guess_fstype reports ext4 as ext3 resulting in failure when trying to "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdxN" to generate the savefile.

Thanks for trying it. I've had problems in the past with input/output errors with ext4 so all my drives are ext3. If you can suggest a fix I'll be happy to incorporate it.

Just replace it with the one from more recent puppies

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