Austrumi 0.9.7 vs. Puppy 1.0.4

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Austrumi 0.9.7 vs. Puppy 1.0.4

#1 Post by PeterSieg »

Hi Guys..

before someone gets hurt, this is just my personal impression of a first
look at Austrumi 0.9.7 and a VERY rough cut 'comparison' to Puppy 1.0.4

Why? Because only the smart learn from others to make themself better :)

I downloaded austrumi yesterday and gave it a try in qemu environment...
Nice boot screen.. It bootet in graphical desktop, but resolution was to high, to reach the menu at the bottom.. So burned a cd and tried it at home on my current Puppy machine (P-II 350Mhz, 128MB, No HDD, SB LIve, ATI 3D).

..bootet right into max. Res. of my 17" TFT (1280x1024). I switched to english language.. network was not setup... so set it up via menu and use
dhcp.. worked just fine... one click on firefox icon and viola.. internet is there.. there is abiword, cups, gnumeric, inkscape!, some simple games,
and cd burner tool, gmplayer (with internet radio - works). DVD Playback not testet, because Systems lacks DVD drive :( Also printing not tested..

So first impression was just fine.

I didn't found a way to save setting between live-cd runs..?
So I dicided to try hdd install. Got a spare 1.2G IDE disk and installed it.
There seems NO (c)fisk tool available..? But the hdd hat already one partition.. so selected that one with lilo in mbr... Installation took app. 5min.. reboot and .. .. .. worked! files under /root will now be saved..

So let me try to summarize my feelings/impressions:

Austrumi 0.9.7 vs. Puppy 1.0.4

+PRO
nice boot screen
nice desktop background image
nice group of icons for most used applications
clean and stable look and feeling
has internet apps (firefox, xchat), abiword, gnumeric, inkscape, cups
has wifi...

-CONS
besides what is mentioned, does not have much else..?
missing (c)fdisk?
missed editor/notepad? vi didn't work. found e3vi...
no mounting tool? usb stick is not auto mounted if not injected before boot
no develoment tools
no PutGet/DotPup/*.sfs extensions
no way of saving settings when using live-cd?
even switched to english, faq and other files still are not translated


So Puppy has a lot more switches and wheels to tweak it, Puppy has more
functionalities concerning saving settings, hdd install, usb install, multisession cd.
But Puppys look is not so clean and lean. The fvwm95 is not my favourite..
All major apps should have an icon on the desktop.. The background image.. ( I liked the one from John Murgas 50m version!)..
And the much debated overall 2 apps for the same job doesn't make it
look clean and lean (ex. Puppy mounter and MUT; xpaint and mtpaint; xxxdialup; etc.)

The look of next Puppy is already to be polished according the the latest news...

So, now it's time to hide :)

PS
Have fun :)

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#2 Post by mike »

PeterSieg, i for one believe that you've done a decent overall comparison of the two.

However, in my experience (not with the latest Ausrumi, however, haven't bothered w/it), Austrumi crashes a lot, a lot, a lot.

The only way that I could get it to run comfortably was to not allow it to try and cache itself into RAM...

The overall look and feel I thought were quite impressive - they were still using FVWM at the time, but it had a very polished look. Great fonts. Too bad about the crashing.

Perhaps I will D/L the new version, see if it's any better.

But....

Can it say WOOF? :D

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#3 Post by GuestToo »

i have not tried Austrumi for a long time ... just once, a long time ago ... it did not support my ethernet card and no way to load a driver module, so i could not access the internet

Opera did not have nice fonts either ... i had figured out how to install Opera in /root (/usr was read-only at the time ... also Puppy only had Dillo) and i figured out how to get nice antialiased fonts

i just reinstalled Puppy 1.0.4 in a clean /root (ok, i accidently did a rm -rf /root ... ok, actually i accidently did a rm -rf /, which removed about a gig from my XP partition too) and Puppy looked rather crude compared to what i had setup (Icewm, aqua theme, Rox 2.2.0 with antialised text) ... with Icewm and Rox 2.2.0, it looks about the same as Vector 4.3, which is pretty good ... actually, i find Puppy's fonts are nicer than Win XP

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#4 Post by BarryK »

The main problem with Austrumi, I think, is that the kernel is monolithic, no modules.
The developer has created a whopping big kernel, over 2M, and you just have to hope that it detects your hardware.
It's very interesting that people are experiencing success with their network cards, I wonder what network drivers he compiled into the kernel. But how many people will have working sound I wonder? Or software modem?

Yes, Puppy too is getting a makeover!

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#5 Post by Guest »

It still amazes me how much importance people put on the boot appearance.

It's not that big a deal.......

Least if the text is scrolling by you can see what's happening where the boot fails if it does.......

What you really should be looking for is stability after the boot process.

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#6 Post by EarlSmith »

I second Bladehunter!

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Stability...

#7 Post by PeterSieg »

Yes bladehunter and Earlsmith, of course stability is much more important
than the boot image...

BUT: If everybody would think so, than that would be the end for Windows and Microsoft (haha..) :P

I ran Austrumi now just for 3 days with just 6-8 times booting it up.
So far NO PROBLEM... but its still to early to say its stable.

And concerning the boot messages... A lot of NOT computer lovers, but
just computer users are really NOT interested what the system has successfully found (they just assume everything has to be ok). They want
the system doing nice gimmics and probably only tell about problems found (if the system can not handle such problems themself)...

BTW: I found sfdisk, so a fdisk program is included...

And of course... looking forward to Puppy 1.0.5a2 to see the polished
desktop and check on the development usrdevx.sfs file system...


PS
Have fun :)

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#8 Post by gliezl »

I'm using Austrumi but when I found out there's Puppy, I dumped the former. :wink:

Sorry :cry:

One thing I like with Puppy, It boots really fast. Even my officemates were really impressed with such speed. :) I told them, It's not an ordinary lived-cd. It's Puppy :D

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#9 Post by acklan »

OOooooOOOo... SHE is the next spokes person yes? Woof

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#10 Post by BarryK »

acklan wrote:OOooooOOOo... SHE is the next spokes person yes? Woof
The real Puppy had an eye for the girl dogs too.

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#11 Post by BarryK »

...er, don't take that the wrong way, gliezl!

I was just reminded of Puppy and his interest in a couple of lady dogs, except they were normal size dogs and he was, well, a chihuahua.

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where puppy should be

#12 Post by klhrevolutionist »

I am digging this pocketlinux distro!
I think it is what puppy could be, not much of a learning curve either.
Though the kde-lite, at least there version of it sucks, luckily it comes
with kde3.4 and it runs smooth..... picked up my sound
and right clicking brings wonderful option on a .tgz
easy install, no graphical installer needed, just download "example"
limewire.tgz right click and install!!!!!!!!!

Competition, is good, this is what I have been waiting from barry!!
I think it is 345mb
but I think it could have great ideas for puppy to look at!
Heaven is on the way, until then let's get the truth out!

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Re: where puppy should be

#13 Post by Lobster »

klhrevolutionist wrote: Competition, is good, this is what I have been waiting from barry!!
I think it is 345mb
but I think it could have great ideas for puppy to look at!
Thanks for having a look - I was thinking of having a shufty [cockney? slang=look]

What do you feel are the features that are worthy of our attention? It seems to use KDE lite - which we will hopefully soon have - but as a pupget . . .

PS. I only have two words for Gliezl
woof! woof! :oops:
- sorry I don't get out much . . .
Maybe I will send a poem next time . . . :)
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features

#14 Post by klhrevolutionist »

well, the first couple of features I noticed, their version of kde-lite
was buggy. Then I logged in to the regular kde, and have not went back to (lite).
I know that don't tell you much! I remind you I have only used puppy
exclusively since I've used Linux, so some things I mention might not be new!
Okay, the packages, I cannot seem to find a gui for slackpkg, but nor do I need it.
The reason being? When you go to download software from let's say "puppy"
There are usually pre-compiled apps for some distro's. Slackware is one.
So I downloaded "puppy" to my home dir. and was messing around with it
and I right clicked to see my options..
It's got a little button with actions->slackware->install!!!
It prompted me and tolde me what was going on, so d id it work? Yes.

That is one feature, and Barry has been trying to make puppy more slack-compatible as I have heard.

But, I don't want to take up to much space, I don't reccommend booting
into kde-lite as it will "freeze"
I'll tell more later
Heaven is on the way, until then let's get the truth out!

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Gliezl

#15 Post by raffy »

(Aside: Maybe you were just too busy to look - Gliezl has been here for a while:

http://www.ph-islands.net/puptour/

Lobster linked to that site in the July news, and Gliezl joined the forum early August.

Will be glad to link that page to your site, Gliezl...)
Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? [url=http://puppylinux.info/topic/freeoffice-2012-sfs]Get the sfs (English only)[/url].

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#16 Post by gliezl »

BarryK wrote:...er, don't take that the wrong way, gliezl!

I was just reminded of Puppy and his interest in a couple of lady dogs, except they were normal size dogs and he was, well, a chihuahua.
ok. no problemo.
That's not what I have in mind. :)

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#17 Post by Nathan F »

I think a couple of very big somethings have been missed in the Puppy/Austrumi comparison. Austrumi has a full Apache server, VSFTP, and also an Xmail server, complete with a gui interface for setting up Xmail. I think this is the main reason that there's fewer apps in it, as it's a major undertaking to cram in all of that plus php and perl. Austrumi is NOT targeted at newbies, and so the developer felt that leaving out a few things was fine. Drives can be mounted and unmounted in a terminal using the mount and umount commands. Also, when I needed a text editor in austrumi I just used Abiword. It slices and dices but along with other things it's pretty good at editing text. I have to admit that I'd like to see Leafpad in it, however.

The other interesting thing is that Austrumi's developer feels that it's only fair for it's users to learn a little Latvian, so much of the documentation has not been translated into English.

Basically here is my take-

Puppy-
Beginner freindly
Many useful apps right out of the box
Better package management than almost any other distro
Great documentation
The best forum anywhere
Faster than you will ever really need
Stable enough for everyday use
Truly innovative

Austrumi-
Can be setup as an extremely small full blown web server
Has a nice look(as if I cared anyway)
Small selection of applications
NO PACKAGE MANAGEMENT
Very little support
Poor documentation
Questionable stability, or so I've heard

I'll take Puppy hands down. However, I'll still be watching Austrumi closely. I'm also going to take a look at Pocket Linux, sounds kind of interesting.

agime

#18 Post by agime »

I am AUSTRUMI team member from Latvia! :)
We're glad that You're using our distro!
Best regards!

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