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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 10:13    Post subject:  alternative puppy build system
Subject description: oh god please help me
 

http://smokey01.com/wanderer/


remember
to keep things organized
all the important stuff will be in the first post
always look here
for a complete overview
and the latest news


hi all

this thread is to develop an alternative to woof-ce
for the common man who cannot use woof-ce

it is not meant to replace or compete with woof-ce
the gurus who can use woof-ce
make great distros that are the equal of any on distrowatch

that said

s243a is developing a sophisticated and powerful variant
of woof-next that includes puppy tinycore and devuan elements

wanderer is developing
a very simple build system called delta
that uses tinycore as a base
since tinycore has the structure that he feels is most efficient
however this system is intended to use components
from any other system as well

the first iso delta-1.iso
has been posted on the repository on the first post

there is too much information on the thread to summarize it in this first post
so i would advise going to the end and working backwards

if there is anything that is in error in this post
please notify me by posting on this thread


have fun

wanderer

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 10:52    Post subject:  

hi all again

you know one time i moved everything in a puppy into the save folder
and that just left a core linked to the save folder

the puppy i will pick will be upupbb
which i like a lot

its pure woof-ce
cant say thats not puppy

and it wont be a remaster
it will be a new build system with a puppy base

i think i will look into that first
since the puppy internals will be up to date
and made by woof-ce

and it also will give an immediate iso to work with

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 11:17    Post subject:  

so here is the plan

i have upupbb32 on a usb
i made a save folder on my hard drive which is an ext2 filesystem
i will move everything into the save folder on the hard drive
until there is only a core linked to the save file

i will then try to make modules from the components of upupbb32

and load them into the core-save file system selectively

the usb and hard drive
will be the only development environment i need

wanderer
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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 12:12    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
Subject description: oh god please help me


Oh, my God, you seem to be desperate. Rolling Eyes
Maybe ordinary people can help also Laughing , anyway, tell me if you think I could assist in someway Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 12:49    Post subject:  

May want to look at this.
Puppy build system alternative
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116032

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 14:02    Post subject:  

thanks fredx and bigpup

bigpup

i got the idea from the thread you mentioned

fredx

you are not an ordinary man
you have already been of inestimable help
im sure i will be annoying you in the future

wanderer

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 14:42    Post subject:  

i have an old copy of puppy 217 on a usb
that has the save file on the usb
and the usb is writeable
that is also an important function to include

wanderer
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 17:03    Post subject:  

puppy linux is on a readonly fs on the usb

i want to change this so i made a usb with corepup
which is read-write

a little trial and error getting it to fully boot with upupbb

wanderer
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s243a

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 17:12    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
puppy linux is on a readonly fs on the usb

i want to change this so i made a usb with corepup
which is read-write

a little trial and error getting it to fully boot with upupbb

wanderer


try using the boot option pmedia=usbhd.
http://wikka.puppylinux.com/BootParametersPuppy

Note that even when pmedia=usbflash, the usb drive is read/write. The difference is that when pmedia=usbflash the read-write layer is in ram.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 17:24    Post subject:  

hi s243a

thanks for the help
you may be interested in this
the core will be only 2 megs
and it will be a minimal modular system

i managed to get it to boot using the corepup bootloader on the usb

now the usb is read-write

step 1 completed


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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 17:51    Post subject:  

now i will move everything from the main puppy sfs
to the save file
so everything is accessible without remastering

the main sfs file will be mounted but empty

the save file will be mounted but full

this will allow applications
to be moved deleted renamed modified etc
in the save file
as i said without remastering

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 19:35    Post subject:  

ok now all the sfs files are on the hard drive

the only files on the usb are
the kernal
and initrd
and their supportive files

kernel 5.3 megs
initrd 2.5 megs

this will allow the sfs files to be modified easily

and the usb can be removed
since it is not mounted
and was only used as the loader

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s243a

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 20:05    Post subject:  

wanderer wrote:
ok now all the sfs files are on the hard drive

the only files on the usb are
the kernal
and initrd
and their supportive files

kernel 5.3 megs
initrd 2.5 megs

this will allow the sfs files to be modified easily

and the usb can be removed
since it is not mounted
and was only used as the loader

wanderer


If the intent here is to provide instructions some links to the components that you are including would be helpful.
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wiak

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 20:18    Post subject:  

Yes, wanderer. I think you would be best go follow the development model of having frequent releases if actual code rather than just describing successes/work you have achieved at home. Doesn't need any finished product - that's not important. We all learn and are interested in actual releases whether very skeleton or only part working or not yet working. That, I'd say, is the main problem corepup development has had. Tons of descriptive pages but hardly any releases until lately. Better to make regular alpha releases, or not comment or release at all until you are happy to do so. Most of us wouldn't want dozens of posts about a distro build without some alph releases to try out alongside reading your comments - that doesn't imply letting anyone else take over your work tho usually feedback and advice can help move code dev forwards quicker.

Wiak

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PostPosted: Thu 02 May 2019, 21:03    Post subject:  

yes guys

i didnt notice i was using this as a blog

i will only post when i have things completed


thanks

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