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Huawei announced the release of its own operating system
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2019, 12:46    Post subject:  

The real problem is not Trump (at least in the Hauwei case)! Is the fact that 2 US companies (Apple and Google) control the entire mobile phone industry! They can decide (for some reason) or be ordered (by US government or courts) to stop supporting anyone at any time, and there is no alternative!
So much about "free" and "open" operating systems and ecosystems!
Hopefully, some hardware companies will start putting some money for a real free and open decentralised mobile ecosystem.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2019, 07:00    Post subject:  

@William: Your neighbour has just had an election just over a week ago. Its people have spoken: they overwhelmingly prefer jobs than tackling global warming (oh by the way it is "climate change" now, you need to get on with the times). Are you going to blame them too?

As for Trump - would you rather he go with the Green New Deal instead?

@mavrothal: There are/were alternative OS. There is Tizen which is used certain Samsung products. Samsung also attempted with Samsung "Bada" before, though I'm not sure what happened with it. Mozilla came with Firefox OS, which got implemented on some cheap phones. Then we have Jolla OS, which was based on Meego (the OS of Nokia N9); and Maemo (the GTK2-based OS of Nokia N900). These are the ones off my head, I'm sure there may be more than that. These are complete, polished, proper, open-source/FOSS mobile operating systems; they're not "experimental" stuff. But there were no tractions. Nokia now sells Chinese-made Nokia-branded AOSP-based phones (Android, but without any of Google-baggage stuff); I'm not seeing people rushing to buy that either.

EDIT: grammar.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2019, 07:27    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
There are/were alternative OS. There is Tizen which is used certain Samsung products. Samsung also attempted with Samsung "Bada" before, though I'm not sure what happened with it. Mozilla came with Firefox OS, which got implemented on some cheap phones. Then we have Jolla OS, which was based on Meego (the OS of Nokia N9); and Maemo (the GTK2-based OS of Nokia N900). These are the ones off my head, I'm sure there may be more than that. These are complete, polished, proper, open-source/FOSS mobile operating systems; they're not "experimental" stuff. But there were no tractions. Nokia now sells Chinese-made Nokia-branded AOSP-based phones (Android, but without any of Google-baggage stuff); I'm not seeing people rushing to buy that either.


@Lobster posted about a new open source phone OS not yet mentioned that looks interesting and is security mindful
Mostly open-source secure phone operating system
https://e.foundation/

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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2019, 10:52    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
I'm not seeing people rushing to buy that either.

Exactly!
I think this is because of the ecosystem that comes with these other OSs, thus the need for some serious investment. From APIs and documentation to App store and privacy protection.

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PostPosted: Mon 27 May 2019, 14:56    Post subject:  

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You may not like it, but if you're not a US citizen he doesn't really give a s**t about you.


I am an American citizen and I can tell you Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about me either.....wrong tax bracket....

D.Trump will resort to any means possible not to be discovered that he really isn't as rich as he says he is...and not all that good at making deals...especially somewhat honestly.
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don570


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2019, 16:17    Post subject: Ark OS  

New name is Ark OS


https://techviral.net/things-to-know-about-huaweis-new-os/
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tallboy


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2019, 17:45    Post subject:  

So, there may be a headline for 2022: The latest Arkpup released! Laughing

Not a very smart decision for business:
https://techviral.net/google-losses-425-million-after-ban-on-huawei/

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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2019, 20:33    Post subject: huawei-meng-wanzhou-search  

It looks like a set up by the RCMP.
Border agents claim that 3 hours to examine luggage is 'normal'


https://globalnews.ca/news/5357916/huawei-meng-wanzhou-search-phone/
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2019, 19:27    Post subject:  

Came across ASOP in a goverment telecommunications release the other day, talk was to make it mandatory with google as a package to be downloaded and added afterwards if wanted (not to be mandatory). I think it was from either India or Vietnam, do know Japan is considering it mandatory at least for all 'kids' phones at least as they have some of their own 'protected apps' most of the kids use that are not suitable for most adults (would be conmsidered too basic a function list).

China has had a couple of self-built linux versions out for a while, Lenovo was selling laptops with one as an option last year, so I don't have a concern with Ark OS as it should be easy to work out if there is anything strange with it, the only concern would be if it still has to connect to a Chinese mainland server to run as one did, slow connections that would drop out 'at the drop-of-a-hat'.
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p310don

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2019, 03:35    Post subject:  

Huawei must have read James' earlier post, and is apparently looking at Sailfish, which is by Jolla, which is the extension of Meego, which is the descendant of Maemo, which is a debian-ish distro from Nokia....

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-sailfish-os-998420/

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2019, 16:40    Post subject:  

In the link above, they wrote:
However, the main attraction is Sailfish OS’ focus on privacy. Jolla only collects information needed to run its services and doesn’t sell your data to third parties without your consent. Also, Jolla doesn’t collect any data without your consent.


That info should stop comments about Huawei collecting data for the Chinese government.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2019, 19:04    Post subject:  

I've always liked the idea of Sailfish, after having a Nokia N900 for years and then an N9.

Potentially Huawei could capitalise on this if they release a secure OS that can use the Android play store.

Less ads, less intrusion, less BIG G following your every move. Sounds good to me.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019, 06:26    Post subject:  

Huawei doesn't need the playstore, they have always provided their own store. just compatibility with apk packages is enough.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019, 15:44    Post subject:  

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Huawei doesn't need the playstore, they have always provided their own store

The US government could punish developers who list their apps on Huawei playstore
and that would hurt its credibility.
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2019, 17:55    Post subject:  

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hurt its credibility


Does "its" mean Huawei or the US government??
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