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HP Notebook won't boot from USB
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puppyhp

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2019, 17:55    Post subject:  HP Notebook won't boot from USB
Subject description: .. and which puppy to use?
 

I have a HP notebook (Pavilion 17 p180no) with a dying harddrive.
I installed Xenial to a SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 Flash Drive 32 GB with unetbootin. When I try to boot from it nothing happens. My computer knowledge is poor, and I am new to linux. I have been reading the solutions on installing puppy for Windows 10 (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=858159#858159) but it just goes way over my head. I am hoping there is an easier way, or simpler step-by-step instructions, perhaps with pictures.
I have tried disabling "Secure Boot", and this "how to make any puppy ISO boot from a pc with UEFI bios" http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109702, but with no luck. The CD-tray automatically ejects when I start the computer, so I assume there is something wrong with it as well. Tried disabling booting from cd, but there was no change; nothing happens when I attempt to boot from USB (and the cd-tray still ejects on start).
Further, I hope someone can recommend which puppy I should use. I only chose Xenial because it appeared to be the newest. I intend to use the computer for surf, youtube, netflix.
Here are the specifications for my computer:
Processor: AMD E1-6010 1.35 GHz
Memory: 4 GB DDR3 RAM
Graphic card: AMD Radeon R2
Thanks in advance
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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2019, 21:45    Post subject:  

Secure boot is sometimes difficult to disable. It seems many brands have different ways to boot to bios and change.

Did you look at the HP guidance to remove secure boot?

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04784866

Also, I don't think a 32 bit version will boot UEFI; will it? You will need a 64 bit.

I'm not sure about the Puppies but you may want to try Fatdog. Those guys are always working on their project and it's quite well done.

You can try a Quirky, where BarryK's instructions for Quirky Xerus (I made an RUXerus branded version but admittedly, most of the work here is Barry's) are quite good. The RUXerus link is below but certainly there are many other options. I just think the Quirky's have pretty easy boot and install to USB options.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=106870

I'm also guessing that Slacko has a good version though I haven't visited it in a while.

Whichever you choose, I'm pretty sure 64bit is a must. If you're running Windows 10, your pc is most likely 64bit. Be a little patient - you'll get it. I'm sure others will chime in here, too....

Best,

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bigpup


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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jun 2019, 21:54    Post subject:  

32 or 64 bit should not matter with Xenialpup 7.5

Are you actually telling the computer to boot from the USB drive?

Quote:
Opening the Startup Menu during system startup

Follow these steps to open the Startup menu.

Turn on the computer.
Immediately press the Escape key repeatedly, about once every second, until the Startup Menu opens.
(Can try just press and hold escape key until startup menu pops up)


Press F9 key to access the boot device options.
This should be a list of devices to boot from.
Select to boot from the Xenial USB drive.
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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Jun 2019, 00:44    Post subject:  

Good advice above. I recently tried an HP E2-9000E with Radeon 2. Booted to a black screen & had to edit kernel append line to end with radeon.modeset=0
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puppyhp

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2019, 16:31    Post subject:  

Thank you all for responding. I was not able to solve it within "bios settings", but there was a simple solution; pressing esc and then f9 for "change boot order" did it. However, new problems have presented themselves.

Xenialpup64 7.5 - Linux 4.9.58 [x86_64]
Waiting for USB storage.....
Finding puppy main sfs file.
Dumping last lines of /tmp/bootinit.log...
MENU_MAX_PUPSAVES=
4: ONE_PART=sda5
MENU_MAX_PUPSAVES=
6: ONE_PART=sda5 ONE_TRY_FN=/puppy_xenialpup64_7.5.sfs PDRV=
Dumping last lines of kernel log...
blk_update_request: I/0 error, dev sda, sector 796758
Buffer I/0 error on dev sda3, logical block 86, async page read
ata1: EH complete
FAT-fs (sda1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
*** sda5 /puppy_xenialpup64_7.5.sfs not found.
*** Error is too critical, dropping out to console...
star star star To save debug info to a partition, type 'debugsave' (I didnt)

Earlier in my attempts to boot puppy I tried this way, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=973006#973006, that involved copying edited files to the USB. I made copies of the original files, which when the new ones didnt make any difference, I copied back. But perhaps that is not the same as installing with unetbootin? I was careful to unmount the USB drive before removing it, so I am guessing it has something to do with this.

The same thing that has happened to the computer I am attempting to boot puppy on, the harddrive failing, has now happened with the computer I used to create the puppy USB. I no longer have access to a computer that can read USB 3.0 unless I buy I new one. Is there any way I can repair the USB on my laptop?

Any help is greatly appreciated
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mikeslr


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2019, 19:39    Post subject:  

Hi puppyhp,

The Pavilion 17 p180no appears to be a 64-bit computer with Windows 10 Home Edition installed if it corresponds to these specs, https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04946377. The most significant part being that it almost certainly uses the UEFI device to boot.

I don't know how you used Unetbootin to install Xenialpup to the USB-Stick. Nor how accurate Unetbootin may be when it comes to installing Puppies. "*** sda5 /puppy_xenialpup64_7.5.sfs not found" suggests that Unetbootin did not properly write the file. But rather than attempting to unravel those mysteries, let me suggest that 'start from scratch' with the application designed to run under Windows to install Puppies to a USB-Key and function under computers employing the UEFI boot device: LICK. You can find it here, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=462720#462720.

When you run it, select your USB-Key as the location to install both LICK and your Puppy.

As bigpup pointed out, your can use either a 32 or 64 bit operating system. There being no reason not to take advantage of the 64 bit architecture your computer has, I suggest --if you have not already done so-- that you download Xenialpup64 from either of the links provided here, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=910078#910078 and store it someplace where you can find it while running LICK.

As you may already know, even with LICK you will have to turn off Fast-Boot, which is Windows' speak for hibernate. A hibernating system is not really turned off. Consequently, no other system can be booted into.
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul 2019, 11:25    Post subject:  

Hello, puppyhp
puppyhp wrote:


The same thing that has happened to the computer I am attempting to boot puppy on, the harddrive failing, has now happened with the computer I used to create the puppy USB. I no longer have access to a computer that can read USB 3.0 unless I buy I new one. Is there any way I can repair the USB on my laptop?

Any help is greatly appreciated


Usually, USB 3.0 has compatibility with USB 2.0 ports, so you can try to repair it on computer that has USB 2.0 ports.

Maybe you need to change some settings in your HP BIOS. Have you tried booting using CD/DVD instead?
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul 2019, 16:15    Post subject:  

@ puppyhp:-

The problem will arise if you attempt to boot from a USB 3.0 stick without being plugged into a USB 3.0 port. I have tons of SanDisk USB 3.0 Ultra 'Fit' sticks, yet I cannot use a single one for running Puppies from.

My ancient Dell lappie from 2002 was built long before USB 3.0 was released onto the market. It only has USB 2.0 ports. Ditto for my 2004/5 Compaq desktop.

I installed a USB 3.0 adapter card to the PCI-e slot on the old desktop, yet it still won't boot a USB 3.0 stick.....for the simple reason that the card's ROM chip is unable to read boot code, despite updating its microcode.

The USB stick's controller chip has to be able to communicate with the computer's USB 3.0 hub in the manner it expects. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.

USB 3.0 sticks are brilliant for data storage, though; even with a USB 2.0 port, they still run considerably faster than you would normally get from a USB 2.0 stick. Probably because they more nearly approach the theoretical max throughput permitted by the USB 2.0 standard than a USB 2.0 stick is capable of.....

Of course, this probably isn't your problem at all. However, I thought I'd mention it.

Unless your machine actually has USB 3.0 ports (denoted by the blue insert - white for USB 2.0) then you can't boot from a USB 3.0 stick.


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PostPosted: Fri 19 Jul 2019, 18:56    Post subject:  

@ puppyhp: May we assume that you haven't tried booting anything from the CD drive?

If you have access to another computer, such as a desktop for instance, you could use it to confirm that you've correctly installed Puppy in the USB drive. The worst that can happen is, Puppy doesn't boot and Windows does Laughing. In which case no damage could be done by trying this. If it does boot Puppy from the USB drive, Puppy won't damage the computer, or Windows, unless you tell it to.

Also, if it does boot Puppy -- and the computer has a CD burner and you have a blank CD -- Puppy has several programs that will burn a CD that's guaranteed to boot the Puppy .iso of your choice in any computer that can boot from a CD. That's basically any computer that has a CD ROM drive in it. Such as, apparently, your HP notebook.

It might not work, but it wouldn't hurt anything to try and the most it could cost you is the price of a CD.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Jul 2019, 03:07    Post subject:  

Puppy Stretch RC5

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112125

or Puppy Buster by Radky should work.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116570

Specs:

https://www.techradar.com/au/reviews/hp-pavilion-17

https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c04946377

Personally I would take out the HD drive and put it in a caddy
so that Puppy boots, you then connect your drive....
before that drive dies.

eg:

https://www.mwave.com.au/hdds/external-hdd-enclosures

Or maybe not >>>ugly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR0xg79OCIY

HP Pavilion 17 laptop disassembly, take apart, teardown tutorial

https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c04337198

https://www.google.com/search?q=HP+notebook+(Pavilion+17+p180no)+remove+hard+drive&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR0pSX9cLjAhVwIbcAHfLsDSwQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1600&bih=768


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