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Springer


Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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Location: Austin, TX

PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 14:05    Post_subject:  

Thanks to all who replied. It's good to know that at least in most cases (and especially X) there really *are* reasons for having multiple solutions.

That said, I have some pretty old and crufty hardware, and I've yet to have to resort to Xvesa - anything I have that has enough RAM to run Puppy has display hardware modern enough to use X.org. (I suspect that if I tried to put Puppy on my old Libretto 50J, that I'd have issues, but with only 24 MB RAM, it's not really a Puppy candidate, so it'll keep running Mandrake as my "portable NAS server".)

As for themes and such - I still think ONE REALLY GOOD ONE beats a choice of several mediocre ones. There's a reason Apple doesn't ship themes...
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 15:33    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
I guess it's not important, but I thought the Linsta gtk-theme was a little to big for me, so I tweeked another. I haven't checked the size of LiNsta in 2.15CE beta, maybe it's stripped, but original is is 226kb compressed. H2O-Stardust is 12kb.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=16203

Ooohh...I like it! Will make it the default for Beta2 if I can get it to work. At the moment selecting it just causes the default to start, and it is in an entirely different format. Can it be made compatible with both GTK-1 and GTK-2?

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 18:04    Post_subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
At the moment selecting it just causes the default to start, and it is in an entirely different format.

Strange, I just copied the H2O-Stardust directory to /usr/share/themes/.
I have only used it in JWM. I'll hope you make it. Confused
This is my /root/.gtkrc-2.0
Code:
include "/usr/share/themes/H2O-Stardust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"
include "/root/.gtkrc.mine"

I have no idea about gtk1. There is so few gtk1-programs left in Puppy, that I haven't give it a thought. The only gtk1 programs I use is gtksee and Turma. It is maybe a little too early to skip gtk1, but my crystal ball tells me that it won't live forever in Puppy. Wink
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Location: Vienna Austria

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2007, 11:42    Post_subject: endeavour2 file manager  

Would it be a good idea to include the Endeavour 2 file manager in 2.15CE instead of Rox_Filer? Endeavour has a built-in image browser that might be a good replacement for GTKSee, thus saving space. I have tried it under 2.14 standard. It runs like greased lightning and is more stable than Rox 2.5 which can fall over when reading large directories such as /usr/bin. Also faster than Thunar I would say. I tested the Endeavour dotpup on my old Compaq 400 MHz PC and I was impressed with the speed. See what u think.

There is a dotpup of Endeavour 2 for Puppy Linux available at Wolfpack here:
http://wolfpack.twu.net/Endeavour2/
Dotpups are everywhere now!

While you're there, have a look at the Icewin menu program too. Might also be handy for 2.15CE.

My latest Icewin options GUI dotpup is here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=16241

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2007, 15:26    Post_subject: html editor  

If we have no Composer (with Firefox or Opera browser choices) can we have this please
http://www.unverse.net/whizzywig-cross-browser-html-editor.html

first suggested here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=27366#27366

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alienjeff


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Location: Winsted, CT - USA

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2007, 17:05    Post_subject:  

In reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage and that v2.15CE Standard is in beta, isn't there a features freeze in effect?

As for HTML editing, there are text editors that can be used. Many of us code away with the likes of notepad, e3, smalledit, Leafpad and Beaver. Yes, I know they're not WYSIWYG, but you can stick Leafpad editing HTML in one workspace, your browser of choice in an adjacent workspace, and with adept use of the save and refresh keys get a great generation scheme - and a bit of an education, to boot.

However, if the community insists on piling on post-beta apps and features, I'm curious what the size difference is between BlueFish, an old standby, and WhizzyWiz.

Editorial: WhizzyWiz's "Cross browser" reference is pure, anesthetic techno-babble. Write your code, validate with W3C tools and forget it. It's the job of browsers to properly render validated code. To wit, http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2007, 18:26    Post_subject:  

alienjeff wrote:
In reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage and that v2.15CE Standard is in beta, isn't there a features freeze in effect?

Yes, there is a freeze in effect for Beta2/RC1. That said, development is still in process for the requisite web_215.sfs plugin that should contain Firefox/Thunderbird/Java/Flash9/Bluefish(and/or Whizzywig)/Azureus, etc.

alienjeff wrote:

As for HTML editing, there are text editors that can be used. Many of us code away with the likes of notepad, e3, smalledit, Leafpad and Beaver. Yes, I know they're not WYSIWYG, but you can stick Leafpad editing HTML in one workspace, your browser of choice in an adjacent workspace, and with adept use of the save and refresh keys get a great generation scheme - and a bit of an education, to boot.

Agreed. There is also Geany-0.10.2 which will handle the task admirably, for those who don't need wysiwyg capability to help them actually cut code.
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2007, 19:35    Post_subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
Agreed. There is also Geany-0.10.2 which will handle the task admirably, for those who don't need wysiwyg capability to help them actually cut code.

I have always used a notepad type application plus a separate browser, starting in MS Windows 3.1 days Very Happy

I use an only slightly better app than notepad now, which is an Ozzie product called FlexEd32 which I believe is no longer in existence.

The idea of using two desktops and switching is the way to go imho, Windows never provided it, and even with add-on utilities, the resource usage was bad.

Go for it Very Happy

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