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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 10 Aug 2019, 23:05    Post subject:  My Next Pc  

Ok I've been using desktops mostly and the one I'm using freezes a lot so I'm thinking of buying a cheap low power fanless PC, I really don't like fans anyways, they are always clogging up, I'm thinking of this one its its like $200 USD its x86 64bit, LPDDR4 8GB Ram, 128 GB SSD, On paper it looks good. Smile, I normally used portable 2TB usb hard drives, Just looking for something cheap and fast to compile on Smile
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32891414256.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1cf639e6itFSPW&algo_pvid=00d5d61d-5a1c-46a4-88a1-6f0c44e63fd0&algo_expid=00d5d61d-5a1c-46a4-88a1-6f0c44e63fd0-39&btsid=03ed3c4c-3593-42d4-89c7-2c4266076a1c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9,searchweb201603_52

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nic007


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 02:58    Post subject:  

I don't think I'll ever use anyrhing else than a laptop in future but they are still a bit expensive compared to desktops/boxes.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 07:50    Post subject:  

nic007 wrote:
I don't think I'll ever use anything else than a laptop in future but they are still a bit expensive compared to desktops/boxes.
Never had much luck with laptops, I drink a lot of coffee and ruined a few with liquids, Also they have fans that get dirty and heat-up and are a pain to clean. I liked towers for upgrades/repairs etc, This time around I just wanted something hassle free and cheap to run.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 10:32    Post subject:  

That seems to be a good computer for what you need.
Not sure about the processor.

Check the Intel web site and look over the specs for that processor.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/95591/intel-pentium-processor-j4205-2m-cache-up-to-2-6-ghz.html

I am only seeing HDMI for hooking a monitor to it.
I assume you have a monitor that can use that.
There are hdmi to vga adapters, that provide the graphics, but not the other features of hdmi.

One thing I have found with very new computers.
Need to be using one of the latest Linux kernels and the latest firmware.
Because this uses the Intel integrated graphics.
You want to be using the latest i915 graphics driver.
Bionicpup64 8.0 has supported them, so far.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2019, 14:08    Post subject:  

Hmmm... not bad, but Gigabyte offers this at Newegg.

Comparable and a bit cheaper. Video is intel UHD-600. The Wifi and ethernet are stated as intel.

EDIT: note the Realtek ALC255 audio. The Internal microphone IS NOT connected to the chip, resulting in NUMEROUS bug reports. None of the "bugs" can be fixed unless the mic is connected to the chip. Warm up your soldering iron Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug 2019, 00:28    Post subject:  

How about the fanless, silent and ultra cheap raspberry pi 4?
... our tiny puppi ARM for RPi 4 needs you ... Cool
We welcome all the ARM compiling and testing know how available to puppykind Very Happy

In the UK I would get a Punch or Zoostorm
probably cheapest ryzen processor 8gig mem from ebuyer
if going the x86 route. Not sure what is best in Oz ...

... you could get two computers ... woof, woof ... Shocked

AMD is cheaper, desktops without OS are cheaper

... the raspberrians are uber geeks ... penguinating their kids ...

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug 2019, 04:42    Post subject:  

I was kinda looking at the Intel NUC with i5 or i7 for a while, until I got to the price.... which seems a might salty. See I got this cheapness gene in me that just wont let me spend much.....

Then I ran across AOpen MP45-D on Ebay. Its older, kinda early nuc. Oddly I won it for US$20 shipped. Sometimes minimum bids do win. Came with some outdated unsupported windows server software, useless to me.



Apparently most of these sold new bare bone with no processor or RAM. Mine came with Core2Duo 2.53Ghz and 2GB (takes upto 4GB) and I have no reason to up it. Quiet. Have had varous linux on it, Bionicpup64 at moment and it runs great. Most of time its quiet, 22db idle mode, running fanless, but must have fan buried in there somewhere as it will on very rare occassions let out a brief jet engine burst under hard load. Believe me first time it did this about fell off my chair as I had gotten to thinking of it as completely fanless. Extremely rare for the fan to cut in. And hey its older, graphics definitely not anything to write home about though fine as workstation. I however can forgive a lot for a quiet $20 "nuc". LOL, I remember when basic dumb calculator was more than that.

And hey your current computer that freezes, might just need cleaning and heatsink reseated with new thermal goo. Or, might have a wonky stick of RAM??? Just cost bit time to find out. But if you have the "new computer itch" then go for it.

And hey if you want actual faster, really look at something with i5 or i7 processor and modern RAM. Probably generation 3 or newer.
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2019, 09:25    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
How about the fanless, silent and ultra cheap raspberry pi 4?
... our tiny puppi ARM for RPi 4 needs you ... Cool
We welcome all the ARM compiling and testing know how available to puppykind Very Happy

In the UK I would get a Punch or Zoostorm
probably cheapest ryzen processor 8gig mem from ebuyer
if going the x86 route. Not sure what is best in Oz ...

... you could get two computers ... woof, woof ... Shocked

AMD is cheaper, desktops without OS are cheaper

... the raspberrians are uber geeks ... penguinating their kids ...

https://youtu.be/l9YxTXDiiFY

Puppy all breeds
of awesome

I was thinking of the Pi4 but I've been following reviews and it looks like you need a fan now because it runs hot, I'm really looking for fanless this time round, Plus it has some USB issues, What I'm thinking is that I'll wait 6 months or so and then someone will figure out the how to make it fanless, even if its some sort of water cooling etc, Also I've read where a 8GB version might be in the mix, Now that would be cool.
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2019, 10:05    Post subject:  

You do understand that a Pi4 is all you get.
There are other things you need to buy to actually use it.
Well, if you have computer stuff laying around, you may already have them.
It is ARM and not x86.

Always issues.
Here is a good review of a Pi4 B
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.html

Quote:
Because the new SoC needs more power, the Raspberry Pi 4 B charges over USB Type-C instead of micro USB. It also requires a power adapter that can deliver at least 3 amps of power and 5 volt.

After we first published this review, we found out that some USB Type-C cables don't work with the Raspberry Pi 4. Those cables that are "electronically marked" will see the Pi 4 as a USB audio device and not provide power. Only USB-C to USB-C cables can be electronically marked and mainly those that are high-speed. If you buy Raspberry Pi's official Pi 4 charger, which comes with a cable, you won't have a problem.



A Pi4 case is needed. A Pi3 case will not work.

A Pi4 kit is the easy way to go.
Comes with the Pi4
Case
Power supply
Usually some cables
And other stuff they want to throw in.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2019, 00:26    Post subject:  

I like to study PC hardware so maybe I got some ideas for you. For example, you can buy a "normal" PC and then :

1/ for the CPU :
you can buy a fanless CPU cooler :
See https://graphicscardhub.com/passive-cpu-cooler/
They work for most of the CPUs but they are very expensive.
There are only 2 models which are cheap :
Arctic Alpine 11 ($15) for intel processors.
Arctic Alpine AM4 ($10) for AMD processors.

2/ for the video card :
you can use the onboard (motherboard) integrated video card : it has no fan but it's not powerful.
If you need more video power, you can buy a fanless video card : most are not powerful, except the GeForce GT 1030, which is quite good. A good model : Gigabyte GT 1030 Silent Low Profile 2G for around $ 100.
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