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anticapitalista

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 14:12    Post subject:  
Have a read of this - https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
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stemsee

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 14:17    Post subject:  
musher0 wrote:
I understand that there is
no age of consent per se in Israel or it is younger? (I picked that up in an Israeli movie
I once saw at a cine-club.)


In the Talmud they (sadducees, pharissees) wrote that sex with a 2 year old was nothing because the hymen grew back, which means they became virgins again. So not having sex isnt the definition of being a virgin, it's having a hymen! I think they missed the point!!!

In old times, orphaned girls became slaves or wives, or left to die in open places. The priests legalised that a young bride (under 5) still had to perform her wifely duties to the husband. The Talmud is given higher authority than the Bible to Jews, but not to Hebrews or Christian Hebrews. The Talmud is a commentary and intellectualised interpretation of the mosaic laws. Using logic and experiment to stretch the limits of interpretation (science). Islam comes from the same background, i think. So too christianity, except that celibacy is emphasised because the love of God is first of all chaste (agape not eros).

edit: in uk law rape is a sexual act which could result in pregnancy. sexual assault is usually applied to other forms of intercourse which cannot lead to progeneration. So one man might sexually assault another man, not rape in legal tems.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 15:18    Post subject:  
Give me a break. At the time of the alleged incident with Minsky, he was an old man. How on earth could Minsky ever have believed that the teen-aged participant was willing?

The fact that Stallman would even hypothesize such an explanation is ludicrous. Or maybe that's his fantasy.

If Stallman had any sense, he would have defended Minsky with the "innocent until proven guilty" argument, since Minksy could no longer defend himself. Instead he used the "if he actually did it, he may have had an excuse" argument.

Some genius.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 16:03    Post subject:  
rcrsn51 wrote:
musher0 wrote:
The lowest age of consent on that map is 13, in Japan.
Eppstein was definitely in the wrong country

Now you are suggesting that a young girl caught in sex trade can "give consent" provided that she is "legal" age?

This is precisely the attitude that got Stallman fired.

Not at all. It's 2nd degree, rcrsn51. Sometimes called sarcasm?

In an interview Eppstein gave (q.v. one of the URLs above), he said he was in the
wrong country at the wrong time (not verbatim).

There you go: there is one country in the world where age of consent is as low as 13.

However, I do not know of any time in history, in any civilization, where a sex ring like
Eppstein had was ever tolerated.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 16:08    Post subject:  
Stemsee,

that comment in the Talmud is absolutely disgusting.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 16:13    Post subject:  
musher0 wrote:
However, I do not know of any time in history, in any civilization, where a sex ring like
Eppstein had was ever tolerated.

Really? Then please explain why so many people were happy to take his money AFTER he was convicted.
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musher0

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 16:25    Post subject:  
rcrsn51 wrote:
musher0 wrote:
However, I do not know of any time in history, in any civilization, where a sex ring like
Eppstein had was ever tolerated.

Really? Then please explain why so many people were happy to take his money AFTER he was convicted.

Sorry, I wouldn't know.
I thought that once you were convicted, your assets were frozen, and the Court named a
trustee to handle your possessions until you got out of jail?

Besides, having a sex ring and having money are in theory at least two different things.
Wasn't Eppstein's investment company legit?
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 16:32    Post subject:  
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/td-took-epstein-money-after-deutsche-bank-kicked-out-the-felon-1.1319529
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2019, 17:39    Post subject:  
This isn't Off Topic Area, so deleting.
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