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Problem booting Puppy in a Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 rev 1.3
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trister

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 06:06    Post subject:  Problem booting Puppy in a Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 rev 1.3
Subject description: Unclaimed cards on an i5 with i5-3550 unclaimed gpu
 

Hello,
I am using StretchDog with whisker menu made with fred181's script.

I'm having a bit of trouble with an i5 PC (lshw result here : https://pastebin.com/UkQ1zLMX ) . It has 2 graphics cards: 1 internal (intel -don't know anything else) and one external Radeon HD6420.
I have made many attempts with StretchDog even with latest kernel but the only way I can manage to boot it is with nomodeset kernel parameter. When I boot both cards seems as UNCLAIMED.
I have tried these but doesn't seem to work :
fglrx_debs_amd64_UB_14.01
firmware-amd-graphics_20161130-5_all.deb
firmware-amd-misc-graphics_2019
firmware-linux
firmware-misc-amd-graphics2016
intel-microcode_3.20190618.1~deb9u1_amd64
libgl1-mesa-dri-glx_13.0.6-1+b2_amd64
libglu1-mesa_9.0.0-2.1_amd64-
mesa-utils_8.3.0-3_amd64.deb
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu_1.2.0-1+b1_amd64.deb
xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.99.917+git20161206-1_amd64.deb
xserver-xorg-video-radeon-ATI_7.8.0-1+b1_amd64.deb


I have noticed this:
-When I disable the internal GPU (intel) stretchdog (porteus) stucks when trying to load kernel.
-If I remove the external GPU Nothing changes -still internal is unclaimed and must boot using nomodeset.
-I had the same problem with some other puppy linux I have tried (it doen't seem to be just StretchDog related).
-When running with nomodeset I can use it without any other problem for hours (actually the graphics card is needed for me for some flash based mmo games in the browser that doesn't work with nomodeset)



Any other ideas?

Thanks

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trister

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 05:16    Post subject:  

I've given up trying the external gpu.I now try the integrated gpu.
My motherboard is a gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3 rev 1.3 with i5-3550 with latest UEFI firmware. This is is supposed to have the intel HD 2500 graphics card (ivy bridge).


I ve tried many things.
My latest idea is maybe to install older intel graphics drivers arroundr 2013-2014.
any idea how to do that with apt ?
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 09:12    Post subject:  

New hardware needs new kernels. StretchDog has the old k4.9.0.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 14:59    Post subject:  

Try using Bionicpup64 8.0
It has a much newer Linux kernel and much newer Intel graphics driver.

Computers with Intel CPU integrated graphics and separate graphics cards could be setup to use graphics hardware in several different ways.
Example:
Laptops usually use the CPU integrated graphics for normal stuff and then will switch over to using the other graphics hardware for heavy stuff.
This is automatic.
Puppy Linux does not have the needed software or kernel setup to make this auto switching work.
Puppy Linux only has ability to use one or the other.
Usually for laptops Puppy only uses the CPU integrated graphics. Most Laptops do not give options for which one to use.

Go into the computers UEFI bios setup and see if it has a setting to pick which graphics hardware to use.
Maybe disable CPU integrated graphics. (maybe called onboard VGA graphics)
If yes.
Disable the onboard graphics.
Select to use the Radeon hardware.

The Radeon driver in Bionicpup64 8.0 should run it OK.

That bios setup may help you with StretchDog.
But I do not know if it has a builtin Radeon driver.

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trister

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 06:51    Post subject:  

Just a note: I installed yesterday windows 10 and they worked ok. They saw the integrated Intel HD (and win10 just name it "Integrated Intel HD graphics card -no model ,no anything...)


bigpup wrote:
Try using Bionicpup64 8.0
It has a much newer Linux kernel and much newer Intel graphics driver.

I haven't tried this. Motherboard is kind of old 2013-14 year so I din't thought that any newer kernel will make a difference. I'll check it when I get back home.

...

bigpup wrote:


.....
Puppy Linux only has ability to use one or the other.
Usually for laptops Puppy only uses the CPU integrated graphics. Most Laptops do not give options for which one to use.
....
Maybe disable CPU integrated graphics. (maybe called onboard VGA graphics)
If yes.
Disable the onboard graphics.
Select to use the Radeon hardware.

The Radeon driver in Bionicpup64 8.0 should run it OK.

That bios setup may help you with StretchDog.
But I do not know if it has a builtin Radeon driver.


My problem is that when I disable the integrated intel the radeon HD 6450 works but system stucks while booting (at the part where it searches the *.sgn files). If I reenable the internal intel gpu it works ok. Note : all things are done with the radeon connected to the monitor (so radeon works).

So far I think that my main problem is that
a) Can't start OS with the internal GPU disabled\
b) Linux starts only with nomodeset parameter (with both GPUs enabled) so I can't actually load radeon drivers in this mode.

I guess my only hope is to find how to see the integrated intel GPU (its an ivy - intel HD2500 from what I learn).
If bionicpou64 fails then I'm out of ideas.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 07:10    Post subject:  

Your Radeon card needs firmware in StretchDog, otherwise it will fall back to useless VESA mode. But it should be enough to install firmware-amd-graphics.

I wonder if you have broken things by installing too many packages.
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trister

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 11:14    Post subject:  

Tried bionicpup64 and did not boot -not even with nomodeset .

grub/lickmenu entry:
title bionicpup64 Puppy Testing (RAM) \n Originalversion
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bionicpup64/initrd.gz
kernel /bionicpup64/vmlinuz psubdir=/bionicpup64 pmedia=atahd pfix=ram nomodeset
initrd /bionicpup64/initrd.gz


rcrsn51 wrote:
Your Radeon card needs firmware in StretchDog, otherwise it will fall back to useless VESA mode. But it should be enough to install firmware-amd-graphics.

I wonder if you have broken things by installing too many packages.


Tried it with clean installation(s) but nothing changes. Have tried StretchDog, JessoeDog , WheezyDog32 , XenialDog64, XenialDog-openbox_jwm-2016-05-21-firmware-all ,

The problem is the integrated GPU. I can't disable it and can only boot using nomodeset.

I have removed the external radeon and try to focus on the intel HD 2500 integrated.

Is anyone using Integrated Intel 2000,2500 or 3000?

Windows 10 use the card fine with no problems.
My stretch dog system works very good but only with the generic vesa drivers.

Thank you all for your suggestions Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 13:20    Post subject:  

trister wrote:
Tried it with clean installation(s) but nothing changes. Have tried StretchDog, JessoeDog , WheezyDog32 , XenialDog64, XenialDog-openbox_jwm-2016-05-21-firmware-all


Have you tried booting with "live-boot" (instead of porteus-boot) ?
(or for Xenial "casper boot")

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 13:41    Post subject:  

all of these iso's
work perfectly for me

please, tray to install
with unetbootin on
usb formated fat32
with gparted

put usb in laptop
and switch on laptop

it must work!
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 14:08    Post subject:  

Quote:
grub/lickmenu entry:
title bionicpup64 Puppy Testing (RAM) \n Originalversion
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /bionicpup64/initrd.gz
kernel /bionicpup64/vmlinuz psubdir=/bionicpup64 pmedia=atahd pfix=ram nomodeset
initrd /bionicpup64/initrd.gz


For the Radeon graphics I can see a need to maybe use nomodeset.

Try this:
use these modeset entries instead of nomodeset.

For Radeon
Code:
radeon.modeset=0


For Intel
Code:
i915.modeset=0


That 0 is the number 0.

What exactly happens if you use these command options?

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trister

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Nov 2019, 05:21    Post subject:  

At this point I have removed radeon and trying first to check if I can fix the internal intel HD 2500 problem (since it seems that when I disabled it from UEFI/BIOS it causes other issues). Since I don't have any issue in windows 10 I guess it is linux driver/firmware related.

fredx181 wrote:
trister wrote:
Tried it with clean installation(s) but nothing changes. Have tried StretchDog, JessoeDog , WheezyDog32 , XenialDog64, XenialDog-openbox_jwm-2016-05-21-firmware-all


Have you tried booting with "live-boot" (instead of porteus-boot) ?
(or for Xenial "casper boot")

Fred


Thanks fred. Tried that. Also din't work.

@zagreb999
I have many frugal puppies (most of them clean - no additions from me to my hard disk). None of them works without nomodeset or vesa drivers (eg fluppy boots ok without nomodeset but uses generic drivers.
You have a gigabyte motherboard like mine with an i5 intel? If so can you check please what VGA drivers you load.

@bigpup
I have tried these parameters (and some more) but didn't work.

Thanks again for your suggestions Smile
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trister

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Nov 2019, 06:34    Post subject:  

I have setup windows xp 32bit and it detects the Integrated Intel HD graphics card.

So at this point I'm back at my old idea :
install older gigabyte/intel graphics drivers arround 2013-2014.any idea how to do that with apt ?
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