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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019, 14:51    Post subject:  

15-jun-2019

7b1d75bc4ce504d053ac1fec6607f9ae LxPupBionic-19.03+7.iso

+ delta update from 19.03.0

based on BionicPup32-8.0+7

LXDE components updated

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Oct 2019, 14:13    Post subject:  

28-oct-2019

28066ebbe17b47433e601b0cfc963b22 LxPupBionic-19.03+14.iso

+ delta update from 19.03.0

based on BionicPup32-8.0+14

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 21:07    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

peebee wrote:
Visit the LxPup Support Website for latest download links

"The Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu...." - c. 410,000 downloads from 192 countries as of 13-oct-2019
Watch a YouTube Introduction to LxPup 21mins

See this post for LxPupBionic (Ubuntu flavour)

See this post for LxPup-s (Slackware-14.1 flavour)

LxPupSc (a Woof-CE build based on Slackware-Current) has its own thread

LxPup64 (64bit version) has its own thread

LxPup is a version of Puppy using the LXDE desktop environment and is an updated “distant descendent” of Jejy69’s LxPup13.01

LxPup uses the components from LxPup-by-SFS added onto the Slacko, Precise, Tahr & Unicorn bases using the Woofy0.91 and Edit-Initrdgz-1.4 tools

LxPup offers Openbox as it’s window manager, LxPanel as it’s panel manager and PCManFM as it’s file manager.

Optional enhancements to the desktop are available via the Options button on the Change Appearance menu item. (add a top panel or wbar, add extra right click options, add desktop drive icons and support for floppy disks).

Feedback is welcomed
Cheers
peebee

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p.s the sfs in the iso is xz compressed

p.p.s use the {devx} links to download the devx sfs's as the Sfs Manager does not show them

If you would prefer to install just OpenBox and LxPanel onto your Puppy instead of the full LXDE (i.e. retaining Rox as the file manager) then try OpenBoxPlus from Vicmz.


I am new in puppy, but I have downloaded and tested quite a few. I am trying to find my personal best so that I can build up and learn.

What I m looking is LxPupBionic64 (Ubuntu flavour).

The LxPup64 shown is in fact LxPupSc64 (a Woof-CE build based on Slackware-Current).
I know there is Bionicpup64 8.0 CE but sadly it is not LXDE. I did search LxPup-by-SFS but the SFS found are to OLD and I could not make them work on Bionic64.

Please, can anyone here let me know where I can find a LxPup-by-SFS to be use on Bionic64? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 22:20    Post subject:  

Enrique -- I don't know your particular reasons for looking for 64-bit LX Bionic, nor the machine you are using, but do you realize that there is no performance difference between 32-bit and 64-bit unless you have over 4GB RAM?
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Nov 2019, 23:51    Post subject:  

Subito Piano wrote:
...there is no performance difference between 32-bit and 64-bit...


I agree with you. And from my test Xenial x86 is my preferred. But to move to the latest Ubuntu LTS I need Bionic. I am testing and learning at the moment with LxPupBionic-18.05+4 x86. And for x64 issue I am trying Bionicpup64 8.0 CE. But I get really confuse some times, I am custom to WM LXDE.

Subito Piano wrote:
... unless you have over 4GB RAM?


Not really my Laptop has 8GB, but LxPupBionic-18.05+4 has a pae kernel. That should allow my x86CPU to manage the full 8GB.

Why 64 bit? Well I come from Win7. And refuse to move to Win10. I have no Idea how people get to used it. So I am at the moment trying to stop using Windows at all. Problem is I do use a few resources that requires Win7. Some are x64. I have setup Wine in LxPupBionic-18.05+4. Most of my programs from Win7 do work fine. But I have a few x64 that I can not make them work. For that I need Wine x64 that requires a x64 Linux base.

I did play with Woolf CE building Kernels a few moth ago. I had a need to hook a Satellte TV USB Tuner and used a very old Laptop that had no HDD. So Puppy Linux made the day. That is how I started with Puppy.

Now I will be happy If I get guidance with Wolf CE in orther to build an LXDE Full Puppy, Again any help is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 00:09    Post subject:  

Hmm...the only quick solution I have is to load a fresh copy of Bionic 64-bit, start Puppy Package Manager, and download first the LXDE-core package (%MB with dependencies), and then all the other LXDE packages you would like. It may get rather chunky though...these wonderful people that make the pet packages know how to really cut those packages down to size....

....but if you are experimenting, then why not try it?

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Just before sending this, I poked around the web -- there IS an "experimental" version of 64-bit LXPup. Go to LxPupSc64 - 64bit version of Puppy with the LXDE desktop on this forum.

Keep us posted!

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 01:22    Post subject:  

Subito Piano wrote:
Hmm...the only quick solution I have is to load a fresh copy of Bionic 64-bit, start Puppy Package Manager, and download ...


Exactly I had try that. Lubuntu => LXDE => LXDE-core We can read more at: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lxde

I did try using LXDE.deb packages. I does not work. At least you need a way to switch from JVM like: "Switch LXDE <-> JWM desktop environments" So It still failing. My best guess is that those packages failed because are designed to accommodate a MULTI-USER-SESSION and Puppy Is designed as a single User environment.

Subito Piano wrote:
...Just before sending this, I poked around the web -- there IS an "experimental" version of 64-bit LXPup. Go to LxPupSc64 - 64bit version of Puppy with the LXDE desktop on this forum....


That is based on Slackware64 Current not Ubuntu.

But guess what I found in the x86 Slackware Files a SFS called "64bit-compat-sc64-19.06.sfs" see:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/spup/files/ScPup/64bit-compat/

UHHH! if they can add 64bit-compat-sc64 to an x86, why we can not do it too???????.

WOOF! Another Frankenstein on the making... This week I had made dozens of Little Frankenstein. Funny part is that they all boot as the kernels are good. But as soon as I try to load packages, it is when I see all failing. HEHEHEHEHE.

So I will try to build this SFS with Ubuntu Files using Slackware sample.
Another Idea is read if Ubuntu have a deb package designed to do that!!

I bet you soon one of the gurus guys here are going to point us out to the exact recipe.

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PD: I did search for ubuntu package. It goes from PLEASE do not do that ( 3 years or more) to YES it is some what done all ready, that is called Multiarch see

https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Now I had work with multirach but in Lubuntu AMD64. Never build a AMD64 program from x86 Lubuntu!!!

I bet you it will never work for me as Puppy Package Manager will want to ONLY install I360 packages!!

I guess as I ONLY want to run Wine 64 bit the SFS that provides compatibility for programs may work as long as I get all the necessary libraries. That should work for me until I finally find/build the appropriate LXPup64.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 03:28    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

enrique wrote:
What I m looking is LxPupBionic64 (Ubuntu flavour).

Hi enrique

Good to have your interest and enthusiasm....

64-bit systems are more complicated than 32-bit systems due to the different ways that lib64 libraries are implemented and Ubuntu is more complicated than Slackware in this regard and also in the way it splits packages up into a multitude of smaller packages (my thoughts anyway).

So you're right - I've never done a 64-bit Ubuntu based LxPup - way too complicated for me!

There is of course Lubuntu - but that's now gone to LXQt instead of LXDE for future versions.... but 18.04 Bionic is still LXDE based.

Let us know what you decide to do.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 11:07    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

I am impressed with the forum, I had received help from two guys in less than 12 hours. And peebee is even the original author of the topic. Nice guys.
enrique wrote:
What I m looking is LxPupBionic64 (Ubuntu flavour).

Yes my Ideal solution.
peebee wrote:
...64-bit systems are more complicated than 32-bit systems due to the different ways that lib64 libraries are implemented and Ubuntu is more complicated than Slackware...

That is OK I understand. I am not asking to be given the final product. But At least show me How I can try build it my self. My best guess Is that I will have to use Woof CE. But what I do not know is if LXDE/Ubuntu is one of the options available? I need to do that Assignment next.
Or in the other hand if you can offer me the addon recipe for LXDE.

What do you know about "64bit-compat-sc64-19.06.sfs" in https://sourceforge.net/projects/spup/files/ScPup/64bit-compat/ ?

THANKSSSSS in Advance.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 15:23    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

enrique wrote:
How I can try build it my self. My best guess Is that I will have to use Woof CE. But what I do not know is if LXDE/Ubuntu is one of the options available? I need to do that Assignment next.
Or in the other hand if you can offer me the addon recipe for LXDE.

BionicPup64 build recipe:
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/tree/testing/woof-distro/x86_64/ubuntu/bionic64

LxPupSc64 build recipe (also in /var/packages) and components:
http://smokey01.com/peebee/LxPupSc64/

Some "noarch" components may be in:
http://smokey01.com/peebee/slackocurrent/lxpup/

Use pkgs.org to find Ubuntu LXDE components - e.g.:
https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/18.04/ubuntu-universe-amd64/lxpanel_0.9.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb.html

These are the extra components for LxPupSc64:
Code:
yes|fontconfig_config||exe,dev,doc         # .deb renamed
yes|apulse||exe                        # .pet from .debian
yes|mplayer_libcdio16_fix||exe            # libcdio-16 for MPlayer-1.3.0-x86_64_s701
yes|openssl10-solibs|openssl10-solibs|exe   # fix for sylpheed-3.5.1

yes|imlib2|imlib2|exe,dev,doc,nls         # ponce
yes|keybinder|keybinder|exe,dev,doc,nls      # current
yes|libgee|libgee|exe,dev,doc,nls          # salix
yes|libwnck|libwnck|exe,dev,doc,nls         # current
yes|patch|patch|exe,dev,doc,nls            # current
yes|gvfs|gvfs,fuse3|exe,dev,doc,nls         # current
yes|gvfs_libs_sc64||exe                  # .pet
yes|pup-volume-monitor||exe,dev,doc,nls      # .pet
yes|menu-cache|menu-cache|exe,dev,doc,nls   # ponce
yes|openbox|openbox|exe,dev,doc,nls       # ponce
yes|ob64_rounded||exe                  # .pet from .deb
yes|obconf||exe,dev,doc,nls             # .tgz
yes|lxpanel|lxpanel|exe,dev,doc,nls         # ponce
yes|lxmenu-data|lxmenu-data|exe,dev,doc,nls   # ponce
yes|lxde_puppy_menu||exe               # .pet
yes|libfm|libfm|exe,dev,doc,nls          # ponce
yes|libfm-extra|libfm-extra|exe,dev,doc,nls # ponce
yes|pcmanfm|pcmanfm|exe,dev,doc,nls         # ponce
yes|lxrandr|lxrandr|exe,dev,doc,nls         # ponce
yes|lxsession|lxsession|exe,dev,doc,nls      # ponce
yes|lxtask|lxtask|exe,dev,doc,nls         # ponce
yes|lxterminal|lxterminal|exe,dev,doc,nls   # ponce
yes|lxshortcut||exe,dev,doc,nls          # .txz
yes|lxpup_look_sc64||exe,dev,doc,nls      # .pet
yes|lxpup_apps_sc64||exe,dev,doc,nls      # .pet
no|PupMenu_LxConfig||exe               # .pet      #later
yes|lx_gtk3_prep||exe                  # .pet
yes|zz_lxpup_config_sc64||exe,dev,doc,nls   # .pet

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 15:33    Post subject:  

Quote:
I am impressed with the forum, I had received help from two guys in less than 12 hours. And peebee is even the original author of the topic. Nice guys
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Welcome to Puppy. Smile

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What do you know about "64bit-compat-sc64-19.06.sfs" in https://sourceforge.net/projects/spup/files/ScPup/64bit-compat/ ?

Hmmm....IDK but the best idea may be to load Puppy in pfix=ram mode , download the sfs and try it out....keep notes!!

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 15:50    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

enrique wrote:
What do you know about "64bit-compat-sc64-19.06.sfs" in https://sourceforge.net/projects/spup/files/ScPup/64bit-compat/ ?

Is misnamed....I now see.....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1013901#1013901
adds 64-bit libs to a 32-bit system but only if the kernel is changed to 64-bit

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Nov 2019, 16:40    Post subject: Re: LxPup : a Puppy with LXDE as its desktop environment
Subject description: Derivatives of various SPup's and Upup's descended from LxPup13.01 - the Puppy equivalent of Lubuntu
 

@Subito Piano
pfix=ram mode, That I had used only for speed up. I guess/assume your intention is to try test without modify the fies inside your puppy save. But what I do while testing is just have a 1G test template that I keep making copies and trou them away on every test that failed. Yes I always keep notes.

peebee wrote:
Is misnamed....I now see.....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1013901#1013901
adds 64-bit libs to a 32-bit system but only if the kernel is changed to 64-bit


Huuum! Interesting missing component. How I forgot about that. I read about it on multi-arch article. And I even applied them in some of my Little Frankenstein of last week.

On my old test I had also interchanged data on DISTRO_SPECS & PKGS_MANAGEMENT to tell the booting system and Package management it is now AMD64. That is on my next test.

But to be honest I want to work with Woof CE soon. Time, time, time... I had not enough time. I have to read on Woof CE instructions again. I know I did have to create my own repository to improve speed and lower my internet load on all my future failing test & recompilation. That is what I did for kernel mods a year ago.

The forum needs a Thank You Button.

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PD

I did run tests. As expected changing the Kernel to AMD64 will still make the OS bootable with some tweeks. Many details to try to explained. Point is that Puppy will boot and even run factory install apps. Yes AMD64 kernel can executes all factory x86 apps installed. Clearly it has all the structure /bin, /lib, /user/bin, user/lib etc are in fact in the correct place for those x86 apps. But if I try to run AMD64 app it will fail. See for a x86
Code:

                      I686 Puppy           AMD64 Puppy
/bin  <=           x86 apps    <=     x64 App location
/lib   <=           x86 libs       <=    x64 Libraries


So I installed a modified pet of Wine64.

Wine binary will execute as it finds its x86 bin and libs.
Wine64 will NOT.

Code:

wine64: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32


# ldd /usr/bin/wine64
   linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe24519000)
   libwine.so.1 => /usr/bin/../lib64/libwine.so.1 (0x00007f037aa53000)
   libpthread.so.0 => not found
   libc.so.6 => not found
   libdl.so.2 => not found
   libc.so.6 => not found


See as soon as Wine64 executes it looks and finds without problem the libwine.so.1 library, I guess because it calls it by explicit full or relative address, But as soon as it requires a Standard Ubuntu Library and call for it without relative address, bingo it find the lib from "/bin" witch is in fact a wrong x86 ELF libpthread.so.0!! On a REAL AMD64 Puppy /lib contains AMD64 libs!!

This is to big of a project for me at the moment. I guess I will start building with Woolf CE and see how far I can go.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Nov 2019, 04:00    Post subject:  

So just to report on Woof-CE.
I did tried on the past building Xenial Iso. At that time my Internet was slow. I am not totally sure but I spent a few long hours on the making.

To night using my Android Cellphone as source of Internet, from Git clone to having stock Ubuntu Bionic 64 bit the iso, It took about 1 hour. Nice..
I did small test on the puppy build and seems to work ok. Now I guess I was wrong on adjusting for a "local-repositories". For the stock iso it seems it is done automatic. I guess I did have to play with my Custom Kernel ( Not Woof-CE) when I was building to have extra V4L-DVB Device Drivers for my TV Sat USB Tuner.

So I have dedicated may hours tonight and I have Only Build Stock Iso, Lets see what I can learn the rest of the week. See you guys later.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Nov 2019, 07:03    Post subject:  

Chicken or Egg: Which Came First?

I went to Woof-CE hopping to get a all ready made recipe. But there is not. Now in order to write Woof-CE recipe I got to go back and do trial and error on working puppy.

Any way I have improved. I did read more on the forum. And 1rst post on
LxPup-by-SFS (LXDE) - Slacko, Precise, Upup-Raring & Wheezy

Have good info. Waoo! it seems peebee is a Real Hero here... Thanks ahead.

So took link offered
https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/18.04/ubuntu-universe-amd64/lxpanel_0.9.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb.html

And using the provided list on the other post as reference I came up with this list. That I did apply to the iso I got from woof-ce.
Code:
openbox-menu
lxde-common
lxsession
lxlauncher
lxpanel  (NOT lxpanelx)
lxshortcut
lxtask
lxrandr
obconf
pcmanfm
lxterminal
leafpad


And to Apply the changes I did also install zz_lxpup_config_sc64.pet

Sadly there is trouble with the theme and icons. I did try the following but still some icon missing.
Code:
lxappearance
lxde-icon-theme


But LXPupBionic64(Ubuntu) is operational....

Do you have any Idea? Again Thanks in Advance.
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