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Flash
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 10:46    Post subject:  

I clicked the "Watch this topic for replies" at the bottom of this page and sure enough I got an email from the forum in my Gmail inbox. I can't explain why the forum doesn't seem to send emails to so many other people. I guess an upgrade is indicated. Either John Murga would have to do it or the forum would have to be moved to another host and I have no idea what that would entail. I'll help in any way I can.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 10:54    Post subject:  

Best way to do this is just to start a new forum (with updated stack); and mark the old (=this) forum as read-only. No migration effort needed, no risk of obscure data corruption due to migration failure, etc.

Redirect /puppy to the new forum; and add a link in the new forum to the old forum. Easy peasy and effortless (relatively speaking).

Who wants to host the forum? We have seen repos with GBs of data hosted by private members of this forum - so this is certainly possible (I'm not asking these members to do the same again - they have already volunteered their services; so I would expect others to step up instead). VPSes are now a dime a dozen, you can easily get one with 100GB storage of less than ten bucks per month. Don't tell me nobody in the forum can't spare ten bucks ...

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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 13:21    Post subject:  

@ jamesbond:-

VPS..? I'd hazard a guess @ 'Virtual Private Server', yes?

Would this business of starting a new Forum entail everybody having to re-register again? Or could those 'details' be migrated across, if nothing else?

To answer the other point, hosting the Forum would, I think, be beyond my personal capabilities. I don't understand server 'stuff' at the best of times, whereas I know there are certainly other Puppians that very definitely do, because it seems some run their own sites anyway.

As for repos? Adding my two repos together at G.Drive and MediaFire, I'm absolutely gobsmacked to realize that I currently have over 14 GB of Puppy stuff 'on tap', and available to Forum members. Bloody hell..! Never thought I'd been quite that prolific.... Laughing Shocked


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 16:33    Post subject:  

I am told by the dev's over at phpBB that a complete database transfer of the current forum can be 100% successful.

Here is a possibility -> http://puppylinux.rockedge.org

This is the latest version of phpBB, please PM if interested in an administration role. Any ideas on theme or design please share ideas.

This is for test and experimentation purposes at this time.

It is a sub-domain of my host server so there is no https: at this time. A full domain and registered domain name would be necessary to have the certificates needed to encrypt.

But don't let that stop us! Play around with it and lets take it for a test drive. I will continue to research how to successfully transfer the original murga forum's database.
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 19:17    Post subject:  

@ rockedge:-

Mm. I like it. Many of the forums I frequent use variations on this, anyway, so it wouldn't take a lot of getting used to.

I'm right in thinking, am I not, that there's quite a number of design 'variations' possible with this, aren't there?

(If you want an actual 'logo' for the site, I think this one Lobster found really would take some beating:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1025169#1025169

Nicely modern, and very up-to-date for Puppy. New forum.....new 'look'. What'cha think?)


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 20:43    Post subject:  

Same with puppylinux site, murga just works with anything..
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 20:49    Post subject:  

@ Smithy:-

Hm. That's odd.

The trial site came up for me about an hour ago. Now I'm getting the same error you're getting....

Needs a bit more work, methinks. Ne'm mind. I daresay we'll get there, sooner or later. There's 'teething' problems with anything new.....but an upgrade is, I feel, on the cards sooner or later. It's all to do with entropy, old son.....

@ rockedge:-

Any ideas, mate?


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p310don

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 23:22    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:

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I clicked the "Watch this topic for replies" at the bottom of this page and sure enough I got an email from the forum in my Gmail inbox


If you already are registered from years ago with the forum through your gmail, it works.

If you try it from new, it doesn't.

Feel free to try it with a new gmail account.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 23:34    Post subject:  

sorry everyone! I had to do some rearranging and reconfiguration of the database...should be all good now to try out. I had to test the mail system. It works.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Dec 2019, 23:37    Post subject:  

to minimize the downtime I went ahead and re-installed the main database and worked out the kinks in the email system. The forum should be running and will allow registration...remember it is for testing at this time.

I am going to take a sleep break and some more research or adding some forums modeled on the original. Although the database conversion and import will set everything up as in the original forum.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Dec 2019, 23:50    Post subject:  

Um, I was going to register until I noticed no https. I thought that would be included with the other changes and upgrades. Are you planning to add it?
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wiak

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Dec 2019, 00:34    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Um, I was going to register until I noticed no https. I thought that would be included with the other changes and upgrades. Are you planning to add it?


At test stage https not important, that will require getting a certificate (and I presume a primary domain) but you can get one free here I think:

https://letsencrypt.org/

Main thing is to get old site transferred successfully and all tested working with new phpBB version and up-to-date PHP.

I hope part of the plan will be to reorganize the site in way that promotes all forum work and activity, without biasing towards traditional Puppy since efforts are well-spread nowadays and all such work requires proper acknowledgement and support for future inspiration and encouragement.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Dec 2019, 01:43    Post subject:  

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that will require getting a certificate (and I presume a primary domain)


Yes this is correct. I can get a cert from https://letsencrypt.org/, my other sites use it.

I could add a certificate to this sub-domain and set up https and perhaps I will later today for test purposes. Although for this stage it isn't needed.

We can design it to definitely include all the Puppy's and also all the work on distro projects that Puppy Linux inspires.

We can try out extensions and some design ideas and if it breaks I'll just re-install it. I am researching how to transfer the database via export and conversion and can get support from the devs on their forum once it is decided which direction to go. If I could get my hands on an .sql export file of the murga database that would be a start..... and a conversion can be run without involving the murga forum at all.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Dec 2019, 01:50    Post subject:  

Hello Flash,

I added the certs needed for encryption: https://puppylinux.rockedge.org/
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wiak

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Dec 2019, 02:14    Post subject:  

I've registered rockedge but confirmation email hasn't arrived.

Shouldn't take that long so surprised if just a delay.

Note that I use DMARC protection against email being spammed to me:

https://dmarc.org/
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DMARC, which stands for “Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance”, is an email authentication, policy, and reporting protocol. It builds on the widely deployed SPF and DKIM protocols, adding linkage to the author (“From:”) domain name, published policies for recipient handling of authentication failures, and reporting from receivers to senders, to improve and monitor protection of the domain from fraudulent email.


I can't help wondering if that is the issue with murga forum not getting through to new gmail accounts, but I have no idea.

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