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How to replace Mozilla 1.8x beta with stable Mozilla 1.7x?
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:19    Post subject:  

I just validated that the red X is a feature of fvwm95 for sure.

I observed a nomenclature problem that was my bad. Fullscree != maximized.

I was thinking maximized and you were thinking actual fullscreen.

I tested fullscreen in fvwm95 and it works but is not fully supported it seems. I think icewm supports the fullscreen better. I can't validate this at this moment becuase I'm using the Puppy that most corresponds with yours and icewm is not installed on this computer.

About the fonts. Here are my thoughts, I wonder if Mozilla anti-aliases fonts as well as Firefox on any Linux. I've noted for a long time that the fonts look better in Firefox as opposed to Mozilla. It seems to me that they would both anti-alias the same, but maybe not.

I simply don't find Mozilla fonts as pleasing as Firefox fonts under any scenerio.

If you are talking about font rendering which I think you are - we are on the same page.

Also font face and size is a factor. I don't think Mozilla's authors picked the same faces and sizes as Firefox. We can set things to our liking with some trial and error.

I'll be right back after some tests.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:49    Post subject:  

About fonts: I just did some testing of sorts. Subjective tests if you will. I convinced in my mind that Mozilla simply doesn't render fonts as well as Firefox or something of that nature.

Among other things I checked the option to not allow documents to use other fonts. I am not impressed at all with the Mozilla defaults.

I read something about Puppy allowing for MS true types. I think the process is something like make a directory /root/.fonts and drop your true types and what ever in there. Maybe having those font sets and allowing document fonts would help. I do not know.

The only thing I can think to do with the font display quality in Mozilla is work with what we have and improve on it somehow.

I write this with the idea in mind that we are having the same perceptions of the font display issue. And that there is nothing bizarre going on.

As for the XP look you mentioned. I don't care for it much, the screen shot I posted was icewm with the silver theme.
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:10    Post subject:  

the gtk-1 versions of Mozilla do not support antialiased fonts at all ... the gtk-1 version was the one in my pics (Puppy 1.0.5 is supposed to have the gtk-1 version i think)

the gtk-2 version of Mozilla does support antialiased and true type fonts, and it can use fonts in /root/.fonts

i prefer the Firefox interface myself, but that is largely a matter of preference
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Glitchman
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:10    Post subject: Puppy 1.03 is affected too  

Curiously enough, I decided to try the same thing, only this time on Puppy 1.03. The same glitches still happen. It may be worth noting that I continue to get segmentation faults whenever I try to reboot. I never used to get this prior to tampering with the broken beta Mozilla. It's peculiar.

As for the red X, yes it is unique to fvwm95, but what I was trying to say was that it does not appear in any of the Mozillas that are already bundled with all versions of Puppy. The red X was merely the first thing that alerted me that something was wrong. In this case, I think it is somehow related to the full-screen option not working. The bundled versions of Mozilla can go into full-screen mode without any problems even in fvwm95. It's just that a user-installed Mozilla does not properly go into full-screen mode (at least for me.)

I guess I should call it a night since I've been staring at this monitor too long. Perhaps a new day will shine some light on things. Thank you everyone for your input.
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flamesage


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:11    Post subject:  

Is there anyway to uninstall mozilla if we don't want it?
And if we were to update, would it just come back?
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:18    Post subject:  

Bruce B wrote:
About fonts: I just did some testing of sorts. Subjective tests if you will. I convinced in my mind that Mozilla simply doesn't render fonts as well as Firefox or something of that nature.

Among other things I checked the option to not allow documents to use other fonts. I am not impressed at all with the Mozilla defaults.

I read something about Puppy allowing for MS true types. I think the process is something like make a directory /root/.fonts and drop your true types and what ever in there. Maybe having those font sets and allowing document fonts would help. I do not know.


In chubby puppy, also when you install OpenOffice pupget package, the OO package installs some truetype fonts into /root/.fonts/, and that is interesting because Mozilla uses them right off, doesn't have to be told to.
You get a very different appearance, perhaps to your liking.

There is a potential problem with the OO pupget installation, I actually made /root/.fonts a symbolic link to where the TT fonts are, rather than moving them into /root/.fonts/. Or maybe it's not a problem.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:21    Post subject:  

GuestToo wrote:
that does look weird
i just downloaded and unzipped Mozilla to /tmp
and made a symlink to /usr/lib
it seems to work ok on my machine

http://tinypic.com/aynbpt.jpg


G2 as I'm sure you've observed, one can put Mozilla anywhere on the file system one wants. I don't even put it in Puppys file system or for that matter on the same partition.

My technique is put it where I want and resolve the symlinks and make MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME true.

In studying this situation closer - it appears as far as v 1.04 is concerned, the key symlink is the mozilla one in /usr/lib

I don't remember 1.03 in terms of differences, and that's when I started replacing Mozilla. Anyway it always goes smooth for me.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:38    Post subject: Re: current  

Bruce B wrote:
klhrevolutionist wrote:
What seems to be wrong with the beta of mozilla???


Not much but enough for me to replace it.

* The option to not load remote images doesn't work.

* There is no spell checker in the composer


Spellchecker support is a compile-time option. I'm recompiling Moz right now with spellchecking enabled.

The biggest problem I am having with the compile-time options is lack of documentation. This is very common problem, the developers don't bother to fully document what various pre-compile configure options actually do.
I'm also experimenting to see if I can get image blocking working...

Of course I'm writing this after 1.0.5alpha2 is released, so any improvements will be in the release version.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:42    Post subject:  

Bruce B wrote:

In studying this situation closer - it appears as far as v 1.04 is concerned, the key symlink is the mozilla one in /usr/lib


Yes, that's right.
I set it up with /usr/lib/mozilla as a symlink, so you can put Moz or Firefox anywhere you want, just change the link, nothing else to do.
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flamesage


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:49    Post subject:  

I can't seem to remember, where is the thing that you can edit to set your browser?
Since I use firefox located in (/root/my-apps/firefox) and I want to set that as my default browser.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 06:08    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Bruce B wrote:

In studying this situation closer - it appears as far as v 1.04 is concerned, the key symlink is the mozilla one in /usr/lib


Yes, that's right.
I set it up with /usr/lib/mozilla as a symlink, so you can put Moz or Firefox anywhere you want, just change the link, nothing else to do.


I because if that link is true then MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME is true. And the Lib path is true for the Mozilla section.

In the past I just fixed the links and made everything true and do what I want. It only took a few minutes, but I didn't keep notes.

Some people like Mozilla and some don't. I think pound for pound Mozilla was an excellent choice on your part, because Mozilla does so much.

The problem with the bug in not blocking remote images, is that is what I use as a fairly effective ad blocker. Pages load faster and display cleaner.

The 'adblock' extension is a Firefox only extension. I've not been able to locate a Mozilla adblocker. I don't think there is one.

So controlling unwanted connections with Mozilla without the feature to block remote images becomes a matter of using an adblocking local host proxy or the hosts file or something along those lines.

It anyone knows of an adblocker extension for Mozilla I'd appreciate knowing about it.

IMO - the percentage of users who like Mozilla are probably going to be the hardest to please. Smile
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 07:13    Post subject:  

flamesage wrote:
I can't seem to remember, where is the thing that you can edit to set your browser?
Since I use firefox located in (/root/my-apps/firefox) and I want to set that as my default browser.


I'm implementing a new system in 1.0.5.
If you look at 1.0.5alpha2, in /usr/local/bin/, you will see how all default applications can be specified.
For example, there is /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser

So far, Rox is using this mechanism for the desktop shortcuts, but will extend it.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 07:14    Post subject:  

Good news!
See the News page for 23rd August.
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Glitchman
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 16:22    Post subject: Re: News  

If the new Mozilla beta does indeed honor image preferences, then that is excellent news! With that and a spell checker, that may be enough reason for me to use it (which is a rarity for me, since I tend to avoid betas.)

On another note, I hope that fvwm95 will still be the default window manager (JWM is way too awkward.) I also hope to see good support for the i815 chipset, even if it's just something I have to download via PupGet or similar.

If nothing else, I have certainly gained some knowledge and insight in tinkering around with Mozilla in Puppy. I'm used to messing with it in Windows (like altering the prefs.js, about:config, registry, and creating custom xml files to "fix" the errant Backspace key behavior.) Because of this, I thought it wouldn't be too hard to fix Mozilla to my liking inside Puppy (boy do I have a lot to learn!) Smile I may never get it working properly in Puppy 1.04, so I will be anxiously waiting to see what 1.05 offers.
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