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#21 Post by ohyes »

WhoDo

More info on how it happened...last night I shutdown Puppy for the night now today when I first booted I couldnt see the Xlock Icon so I again dragged it to the desktop and then rebooted to see if this time I could see it. Perhaps this action was somehow what caused the PuppyPin file to reset and become empty.

Most probably the Xlock Icon was hiding behind the help Icon when I first rebooted as you have found.

At the moment Ive dragged it back to desktop and after rebooting found it also hiding behind the help Icon.

Question what is making the Xlock Icon goto the same position on the desktop as the help Icon at every boot..

I like these problems..as they are not major, yet they help me learn more about puppy :)

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#22 Post by WhoDo »

ohyes wrote:Question what is making the Xlock Icon goto the same position on the desktop as the help Icon at every boot...
Somewhere in the desktop configuration, Barry has set default positions for standard desktop icons. I've hunted around and I can't find where that is. I know I can view the exact positions after they are passed to the PuppyPin file, but where those positions are sourced from in Puppy is still a mystery for me.

I haven't tried it, but it might be worth making a backup PuppyPin file and then altering the X and Y location parameters to see if those are honored at the next boot or replaced by the defaults.

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#23 Post by GuestToo »

fixPuppyPin is run from /root/.xinitrc

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#24 Post by WhoDo »

GuestToo wrote:fixPuppyPin is run from /root/.xinitrc
True, but where does it get the physical coordinates for Xlock? I can see that fixPuppyPin calculates a screen position based on videomode, but to my untrained eye the script seems to start with Xlock as a fixed reference point. :?

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#find out current right side in PuppyPin...
 RIGHTX="`cat $PUPPYPIN | grep "Xlock" | cut -f 2 -d '"'`"
What if that Xlock reference point is not there in the current /tmp/PuppyPin or /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin? And how does it then calculate the relative positions of all those other icons from that one point of reference?

This appears to be the key to understanding why icons placed for 2.15CE sometimes "mysteriously" realign themselves on the right screen margin, or why some icons overlay others in the occasional EZpup installation. If I can understand the mechanics here then I might be able to prevent that in future versions of EZpup.

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#25 Post by cb88 »

hey whodo could you put conky or torsmo in the next EZpup with a configuration gui maybe set to the defaults from meanpup I miss haveing my stats displayed on my desktop. the freemem applet doesn't always work correctly anyway (in my case) I wonder if conky works in beryl? I don't know how to make conky transparent either.

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#26 Post by WhoDo »

cb88 wrote:hey whodo could you put conky or torsmo in the next EZpup with a configuration gui maybe set to the defaults from meanpup I miss haveing my stats displayed on my desktop. the freemem applet doesn't always work correctly anyway (in my case) I wonder if conky works in beryl? I don't know how to make conky transparent either.
torsmo would be easy to include but not so easy for novices to turn off. I'll have a look at conky to see what's involved.

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#27 Post by ohyes »

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I made a back up and also proceeded to first move the help Icon.
Then I rebooted. All's well Help Icon stayed where I put it.

I then moved the Xlock Icon over to the left side. Rebooted
Suddenly all left side Icons were now on right side.

So I moved Xlock over to lower right side this time and again rebooted. This time all is well and that's where I want it so thats where it will stay !

I realised that for at least the first time that Xlock was put back on the desktop and rebooted it tried to go back to where it used to be as you eluded to.

Im still a happy chappy, just upgraded my ancient Laptop to 2.16.1 and its running Ezpup of course :)

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#28 Post by cb88 »

leave conky/torsmo off by default and add a simple gui like for icewm or maybe add an option to turn it on or off in the icewm manager itself although that option might be a little obscure or possibly over reach the capabilities of the icewm config gui.

thanks for giving it a look cb88

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#29 Post by GuestToo »

i don't think there is an easy way to deal with desktop icons ... the icons were intended to be dragged to a convenient place on the desktop ... automatic placement of the icons would not be easy, it would be necessary to write software that reads the PuppyPin xml file, makes sense out of the text, figures out the desktop resolution, checks the coordinates of each icon and changes them if necessary, then writes back the configuration changes to the PuppyPin file, if necessary

personally, i backup my PuppyPin file so i can easily restore it, and i also can use alternate desktops, like this:

gxmessage -timeout 30 -center -buttons "_1,_2,_3,_4,Cancel" -default Cancel -bg lightgreen " Choose a desktop"

case $? in
101) exec rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin ;;
102) exec rox -p 2 ;;
103) exec rox -p 3 ;;
104) exec rox -p 4 ;;
esac

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#30 Post by Lobster »

I believe releasing EZpup quartely as a 100% .pet enhancement makes it far more maintainable, flexible and useful then an ISO release based around a particular Puppy version.

EZpup plus optional sfs would make some sense?
A flexible sfs downloader of sfs in Ezpup?

With the OO sfs download, it would have the power of PuppyProEZ
The developers sfs would make it DevPupEZ and so on . . .

Many of the background images are huge (600k where Puppy would use 60k)

Perhaps EzPup could come with small backgrounds with an option to download different collections?

Just some ideas :)
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#31 Post by WhoDo »

Lobster wrote:I believe releasing EZpup quartely as a 100% .pet enhancement makes it far more maintainable, flexible and useful then an ISO release based around a particular Puppy version. . . .

Many of the background images are huge (600k where Puppy would use 60k)

Perhaps EzPup could come with small backgrounds with an option to download different collections?
I'm toying with releasing EZpup right behind each new Puppy release. That would make it 6 weeks between releases. I'm finding it hard to withhold developments for any extended period. For example, I have an Aero X11 animated mouse cursor theme and MU's cursor theme changer in the next EZpup and it looks and works great! I want our Puppy friends to get it sooner than September. :P

I have also stripped the backgrounds down to between 50kb-130kb each, with no real loss of color or resolution, and included some new Vista-style backgrounds that I think are pretty swish! 8)

All in all, I'm sweating on Puppy 2.17 so I can unleash EZpup-2 right after! :D
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#32 Post by jamesbond »

These are the things I missed from 2.15CE that isn't in EZpup:

- Puppy software installer
- MU-GTK-Theme-Chooser
- pet-be-gone (but this one varies by each puppy version, I suppose?)
- 3DCC (but is this going to be obsoleted when 2.17 comes with the new kernel?)
- Xfe
- gtksee
- fox-calculator
- fox-shutterbug

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#33 Post by WhoDo »

jamesbond wrote:These are the things I missed from 2.15CE that isn't in EZpup:

- Puppy software installer
- MU-GTK-Theme-Chooser
- pet-be-gone (but this one varies by each puppy version, I suppose?)
- 3DCC (but is this going to be obsoleted when 2.17 comes with the new kernel?)
- Xfe
- gtksee
- fox-calculator
- fox-shutterbug
Puppy Software Installer (PSI) and MU-Gtk-Themechooser are distinctly possible and in keeping with EZpup's approach to make Puppy attractive for refugees. The latter fits in well with the X11 Cursor-selector which is already in the next edition.

IMHO, 3DCC is a dead issue at present. Many of its features cannot be enabled without impacting the stability of Puppy's core functions like PETget.

Xfe and fox-shutterbug go together but don't really fit in a look-and-feel sense. Puppy already has u-Xplore which is much closer to M$ Explorer as a file manager than Xfe, and mtPaint snapshot is more basic but easier to use than fox-shutterbug. Pet-be-gone needs more work, according to Pizzasgood, and I'd prefer to leave it out on that score.

I thought GTK-see was standard in Puppy? I'll have to check my raw 2.16 installation to verify.

Bottom line, jamesbond: I will include PSI and MU-Gtk-T, providing they don't cause any problems in constructing EZpup without impacting on core systems. Both have dependencies that need to be explored further before including them in a package that is meant to be usable across many versions of Puppy.

Your suggestions are much appreciated, and I'll see what I can do to make at least some of them a reality in EZpup-2.

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#34 Post by Béèm »

For a while EZpup did a good job.
I even got the freemem display again at full size, antho the digit were really small. I din't know how it came back.

Then I added devx_214 for the next boot, still no problem.
Then remove boot for the devx_214 and added the one for devx_216
There problems are back.
- I have the 6 OOo icons back. Nice, but it's not as expected so I understand.
- the freemem display is a small vertical stripe again.
- some icons are placed partially over other ones (disk free and pupzip)
- I have an extra OOo draw
- the color seems to be changed of the desktop icons.

All this worries me as I didn't do anything spectacular.

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#35 Post by WhoDo »

Béèm wrote:All this worries me as I didn't do anything spectacular.
If you used the Bootloader to load the .sfs files and unload them, that is why things went askew. The Bootloader runs a script called fixPuppyPin which evidently reverts any icons to their default state.

You can avoid the problems that creates in future by keeping a backup copy of /root/Choices/ROX-filer/PuppyPin so you can copy it back over the one fixPuppyPin generates.

This is a fundamental issue that I will have to address with BarryK and sunburnt, as both use the fixPuppyPin script in various ways to manage icons on the desktop. Maybe we can collectively come up with a fix that won't cause the icons to revert entirely to their original state when EZpup is installed.

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#36 Post by Béèm »

Thank you, I'll copy the PuppyPin from now on.
Good that you will address the issue with Barry and Sunburnt.

It might be that this was the cause the first time I said that there was a problem as indeed I did some loading and unloading of sfs files.
(I like much that feature and won't be happy to loose it)

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#37 Post by jamesbond »

Thanks WhoDo :)

Yes my mistake - gtksee is already in 2.16.
As for uxplore - I didn't see it until you mention it, I always use either ROX for xfe :) Mental blindness, perhaps :P

A simplistic idea for the PuppyPin problem - how about overwriting the fixPuppyPin with EZpup's own version? Afterall, if BarryK and others make fixPuppyPin compatible with EZpup, sooner or later other dotpets will probably come and will need this "compatibility" as well. Rather than having a complex fixPuppyPin that serves everybody (with many "if thens" to detect which dotpet installed) that BarryK has to maintain, perhaps it may be better for each dotpet to provide a replacement that suits its own needs. My 2cents though.
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#38 Post by cb88 »

could the animated mouse cursor theme from PCLinux OS be hacked into puppy it is pretty cool.

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#39 Post by WhoDo »

cb88 wrote:could the animated mouse cursor theme from PCLinux OS be hacked into puppy it is pretty cool.
Sure. Most of the X11 themes follow the same format. How do you know it isn't in EZpup-2 already??? :P

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#40 Post by sling-shot »

Both mirrors seem to be down at the moment :-(
But if it is an ISO to replace standard Puppy ISO I would be disappointed as I cannot use it everyday, cause I use a full hard disk install :-(
Will see once the mirrors are working again.
Seems beautiful looking at the shots posted.
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