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A Reasonable Approach to Uninstalling the Unwanted?
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laika


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2007, 23:58    Post subject:  A Reasonable Approach to Uninstalling the Unwanted?
Subject description: 0pkgs_db and remastering?
 

after much stumbling around, i think that i might be on the way to getting rid of unused/unwanted programs. (yes, even the clever and delightful myPup is more than i need.) would something like this work:

use 0pkgs_db to hunt down the files associated with stuff i don't need, delete stuff i don't need, and then remaster for a leaner myPup?

the package manager isn't going to help me get rid of what originally came with Puppy, correct?

thanks
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 09:46    Post subject:  

You are correct. Puppy's package manager only deals with packages you downloaded and installed. Several people have made uninstallers for the stuff that comes with Puppy. I haven't used any of them so I can't tell you any more about them, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly who can. Smile

Another option, and the one most people recommend, is to start with Puppy Unleashed, which is a minimal Puppy with lots of stuff you can add, and build your own Puppy a la mode.
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sketchman


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 16:31    Post subject:  

Doesn't "a la mode" mean with ice cream? Not that knowing this is relevant. I'm just curious.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 16:53    Post subject:  

I always thought it was a French term that meant "as you like it." Now that I look it up, it means "being in accordance with the current fashion." Embarassed
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Botanic


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 17:27    Post subject:  

personally i go on ibiblio, download the unwanted .pet , see what's inside, and delete the corresponding files in my system... correct way to do?
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SirDuncan


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 18:44    Post subject:  

Pizzasgood made a program called PetBeGone. I haven't used it since it was called PupBeGone, but it worked well. A simple forum search should turn it up.

In English, the French term "a la mode" does in fact mean "with ice cream". It's one of those things that has nothing to do with the actual meaning of the individual words. We English speakers just liked the sound of it, and made it mean ice cream I guess.

Another option is to download one of the stripped down versions of Puppy and add what you want. then remaster.

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laika


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:09    Post subject:  

thanks, Pup Masters!

good advice and options - plus a lesson in French! what a fine forum Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 22:00    Post subject:  

laika wrote:
thanks, Pup Masters!

good advice and options - plus a lesson in French! what a fine forum Very Happy


I'm actually surprised that Botanic didn't say what it means. After all, Botanic is a Frenchman, and would know better than the rest of us.

As for the "Pup Masters", that is plural. Flash is definitely a Pup Master, but who else did you mean? Certainly not me. I am but a learner.

All joking aside, I'm glad we were able to help.

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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Sep 2007, 22:23    Post subject:  

Back up /root/.packages before using PET-Be-Gone, as I have serious doubts about it's stability in 2.17. I haven't had the chance to try it myself, but I've seen a series of people having issues with it lately.

But the method you outlined is exactly what it does, in addition to adjusting packages.txt to match (that way the removed items show up in PETget).

And a slight correction to what Flash said: Unleashed isn't a minimal Puppy. It isn't a Puppy at all. It's a build environment that you use to create Puppy on a package by package basis. You set it up, then you download whatever packages from ibiblio that you want/need (though it's easiest to download them all), then use a PETget-like interface to select which ones to use (it defaults to the normal packages). You can also go in and change or add packages. So theorectically, you could just create your own packages from scratch and make a completely different distro with it, although it would need some basic similarities in the ISO layout unless you hacked the createpuppy script too.


As for "A la mode", and speaking with no knowledge on the matter whatsoever, I'd say at the time it was adopted by the English, "with icecream" was probably "in accordance with the current fashion."

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Botanic


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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2007, 15:47    Post subject:  

SirDuncan wrote:

I'm actually surprised that Botanic didn't say what it means. After all, Botanic is a Frenchman, and would know better than the rest of us.

I didn't because Flash was right; but i didn't know it meant something in English - and the meaning is funny. I always enjoy hearing English people pronouncing French expressions; last one i heard in an interview was 'esprit de corps'. you make it sound very funny Smile

to get further into my previous post, i was wondering what happens when i delete a file from my system (frugal install with pup_save) : pup_216.sfs never changes unless i remaster it, so i suppose there is something into pup_save indicating that i deleted this file?
and if i remaster after deleting a file, the file won't be in pup_216.sfs anymore i hope?
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2007, 16:55    Post subject:  

Yep, what is called a "whiteout file" is created. They're named like .wh*. You normally can't see them from within Puppy though, since UnionFS hides them. If you reboot in ram mode, you can mount a save file, then they'll be visible. If you delete them, whatever they were "whiting out" will be magically reinstalled. A similar process happens when editing a file, except rather than a whiteout file, a copy of the file gets added to the save-file, which overrides the original.

And yes, remastering afterwards will make a Puppy without that file. The remaster script is supposed to make a nearly identical copy of your running Puppy, and as far as Puppy is concerned the deleted files aren't there. So, they simply don't get copied over into the new iso.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Sep 2007, 17:38    Post subject:  

that's all very clear; thank you for the information !
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