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[Lobster]

Talking Stick Wiki Page
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/TalkingStick



This is part of a wizard / front end for Talking Stick
Latest image above

Anyone wishing to help with html (info files)
or bash scripting using gtkdialog3 (mainly) let me know and I will provide the code

As soon as it is working testers with Puppy 3 will be required

UPDATE

I have separated the program into two main parts
Scruffy (an animated icon) greets the new user

If Flite is installed the wizard talks

At the moment I am concentrating on Ezpup.pet (installs flite and Icewm themes AND support for 3D drivers - this needs updating for Nvidia)

The other files are all sfs - graphics, wine, developer (C C++ freebasic) open office

[cb88]

ok i d`had seen this thread then forgot about it LOL

so

ask user how to install
merge sfs (future of remaster?)
install to usr/home (or were ever it need to be dependant on the install type)
extract to pupsave (now i remember what that is good for HD installs!)

and how will the download be done?

what about metalinks with aria2 that way the download is well shared between the servers or very fast if the severs aren't busy even if they are all overloaded there is still the possiblity of torrents through the metalink if it times out too much then wget is automatically used

also which wine is that the latest is wow's sfs wine 1.46

[alienjeff]

"Scruffy sez"? Is this where the CE of Puppy is going? The "Clippy-fication" of Puppy?

I'm not sure whether I should laugh or mourn. I suppose I'll do both, in that order.

[cb88]

I am inclined to agree with aj. I'm not too keen on scruffy even though your wizard is a good idea...

perhaps a revised version of the talking stick logo saying "Talking Stick" and "Extensions" below it just to keep it sraight foward and professonal.

honestly I didn't notice scruffy that much when I first glanced at it but well it seems a little much however i liked clippy.....hated the search dog though just a waste...guess clippy was too but it did wierd stuff when you clicked on it ....remembering win 95 when clippy was new and "facinating" i mean i was only 8 years old i guess...

[Lobster]

[ecomoney]

Hello Lobster

You are certainly on the right track when it comes to making puppy user friendly, "cant be made to work" and "cant be got working by the average user" both add up to the same thing, NOT WORKING!!!! I would rather put up with clippy as an inconvenience on a working machine than have to spend hours trawling through man pages just to compile and install software. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed.

From the puppy mission statement

[Lobster]

[ecomoney]

[Lobster]

[ecomoney]

Nice work lobster, certainly not scruffy at all!!! Im not at home now so I cant test it. Im thinking perhaps in the menu's on 3.03ce we can have program entries to openoffice documents, these could open your downloader automatically. Also we could have a script whereby if a user clicked on a .odf or other openoffice file this script would launch as well?

[cb88]

there should be and an sfs installer all it does is detect your installation type and do the apropriate action when ANY sfs is selected... maybe it should install .mo files too...i have not be able to use .mo files without having to reboot after mounting a couple of them though...

I don't think the sfs list should be precoded into the gui it can just fetch the info from the server.... the code for the installer could be just a gui fetcher basically say a year or two down the road the list will still be up to date because the entire gui is downloaded from the site.... if not connected to the net then offer links to the setup and to pupdial and the network wizard

however the sfs installer gui should be on the livecd.

[Lobster]

[headfound]

Wow Lobster, i like how your 'Scruffy' dialogs work, much more elegant than the thing I bashed together for Gamepup.
One thing I find a little annoying though is that if you click the info box, a new html window pops up each time. In the GPup menu, i had an info window as part of the gtk dialog box, so each info button would display in the window.
Is it possible to pop open a gtk window alongside the 'talking stick wizard' when you click an info button as opposed to blocking it with the browser?
I think you'd have to use absolute values for window placement though which means it would open in a different place depending on screen resolution!

Sorry enough babble! I like what you've done and your 'Vision demo' gave me the fright of my life

[ecomoney]

Lobster I like the way this is going. Users dont know about files and locations (many of them dont even know about directory "hierarchies", especially in linux). The "my document"isation of windows has unfortunately meant this basic knowledge is lost on a great many people.

Im assuming this is the screen that pops up when the users click on any of the start menu links to openoffice?

Im thinking, for useability, perhaps a single screen, with a message along the lines of....

Title: "Puppy Openoffice installer"

Text:

"Openoffice is an office suite with features similar to and in many cases better than Microsoft office, and can read and write most microsoft office formats. Its not included with puppy linux because its so big (you already have gNumeric and abiword). Its very easy to add it if you need the extra office features."

"Click on [OK] to download, install, and launch openoffice 2.3 automatically, or press cancel to continue using puppy without openoffice. It does take some time to install (click here for an estimate of how long). You will need to restart the computer after the installation is complete.

[Geek Info]

Upon cancel, the box disappears (program ends). On ok, another box appears with the text

"Openoffice is now downloading, you can see the download progress in the orange box (this is called "wget" and its often used in linux for downloading large programs). Please wait."

in the background wget launches (with a progressbar) and downloads the .sfs to /mnt/home.

When the download competes, another screen/window appears

Title - "Installation complete"

Text - "Openoffice is now installed, but you need to restart the computer before you can use it. You can either restart now, or continue using puppy linux (openoffice will be there next time you restart you computer).

Two buttons at the bottom of this screen.

[Restart Now] - Restart your computer to start using openoffice.

[Restart Later] - Continue using puppy.

Note: If you are in the middle of something, you should click "restart later" and save your work before restarting your computer normally.

I think just the standard openoffice logo would be fine for a graphic/icon.

Hope this is all clear.

Many thanks for this Lobster.

[richard.a]