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raffy · #41 Post by **raffy** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 00:39

Thanks for your encouraging words.

Yes, even banks that use Open Source software require Java in clients.

So a Puppy with built-in Java client should do the job for these banks... Some testing will be needed, of course.

I like your line, "If your [OS] goes down, boot up with Puppy".

BarryK · #42 Post by **BarryK** » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 10:52

The input from you guys is helpful.
I tend to think about what I want for myself, and tailor Puppy accordingly.
Also I'm a minimalist.

Yes, for the great majority of people out there, with reasonably modern PCs with 256M RAM, a Chubby Puppy is probably the way to go, with OpenOffice ...and ...(gag).... Java.
I don't like Java personally, but Sun has a heavy investment in it and they are making it difficult for OpenOffice to work fully without it.

#43 Post by **JohnMurga** » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 16:20

BarryK wrote:I don't like Java personally, but Sun has a heavy investment in it and they are making it difficult for OpenOffice to work fully without it.

See my posting regarding GCJ ...

And this article :

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1815349,00.asp

The main problem with GCJ currently is SWING apps ... But most other stuff (including the Eclipse IDE which uses SWT) works fine.

http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2005-06/msg00032.html
http://developer.classpath.org/mediatio ... thShowcase

The classpath showcase mentions JAM ... I believe it doesn't perform very well, but it is very small and I believe I could create a pretty small JAM+ClassPath package so maybe I should take a look

Cheers
JohnM

BarryK · #44 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 01:55

The classpath showcase mentions JAM ... I believe it doesn't perform very well, but it is very small and I believe I could create a pretty small JAM+ClassPath package so maybe I should take a look

Yes, that looks promising.

#45 Post by **JohnMurga** » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 14:13

BarryK wrote:
The classpath showcase mentions JAM ... I believe it doesn't perform very well, but it is very small and I believe I could create a pretty small JAM+ClassPath package so maybe I should take a look
Yes, that looks promising.

OK, I'll dot that right after I get round to upgrading the forum

I did some more research and things have really moved forward over
the last few months.

Take a look at this link and scroll down :

http://planet.classpath.org/

As I suspected there is a GCJ plug-in to run applets in Mozilla

Cheers
JohnM

#46 Post by **JohnMurga** » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 20:23

See attached screenshot ...

Jikes, JamVM, ClassPath and Cairo (required for Swing) compiled fine.

Although it is slow as hell (gives Java a bad name), the results REALLY impressed me... I tested it with a relly complex app (JEdit).

I'll be creating a package for this soon, I have no idea how big it'll be as "classpath" seems to have changed a lot ...

Cheers
JohnM

raffy · #47 Post by **raffy** » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 23:38

Will be waiting for that in the Announcements (or dotPUP) sections. Some benchmark of performance may be useful, for example, against these compact processors by Intel.

klhrevolutionist · #48 Post by **klhrevolutionist** » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 00:19

I'm wondering exactly what this is? Is it an alternative to java ???

#49 Post by **JohnMurga** » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 03:50

klhrevolutionist wrote:I'm wondering exactly what this is? Is it an alternative to java ???

Yes ... And no ...

You of all people should be able to understand this :

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html

The purpose of this within Puppy is to offer a Java JM with a good set of features and a small footprint... That also happens to be "truly" free.

Personally I still think it would be better to re-build the GCC in the usr_devx.sfs to a recent version with GCJ enabled, but I am not the man to do this

Cheers
JohnM

PeterSieg · #50 Post by **PeterSieg** » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 13:02

Hi John,

hope to see your free Java (TM) package soon, to get my hands dirty

Like to see if some apps are working with that and how big your java
package is..

Thanks, Peter

#51 Post by **JohnMurga** » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 18:17

Peter ... Have a look at :

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=14758#14758

BTW - My next 50Mb puppy is going to be called ...

Mean Puppy

Cheers
JohnM

J_Rey · #52 Post by **J_Rey** » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 00:35

Well, back to the Puppy Foundation topic....

A main goal/reason for this foundation was to set up a new server because of problems with Wikka Wakka Wiki on goosee.com. Back in March there was a topic on the original forum about that. Since then other workarounds have been posted to the Wikka Workaround page that might help. Well, worth a try, eh?

raffy · #53 Post by **raffy** » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:17

Guess people are just busy (especially Barry) with version 1.0.5. After the new version is posted, the Wiki change of server may be addressed already...

ozboomer · #54 Post by **ozboomer** » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 07:03

J_Rey wrote:Well, back to the Puppy Foundation topic....
A main goal/reason for this foundation was to set up a new server because of problems with Wikka Wakka Wiki on goosee.com.
...
workarounds have been posted to the Wikka Workaround page that might help. Well, worth a try, eh?

Has anything happened with incorporating the fix into our code yet? The wiki is working Ok for me now (Sat, 0740 GMT) but I expect it will break (for me) in another 4+ hours.

ozboomer · #55 Post by **ozboomer** » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 12:50

ozboomer wrote:Has anything happened with incorporating the fix into our code yet? The wiki is working Ok for me now (Sat, 0740 GMT) but I expect it will break (for me) in another 4+ hours.

I wonder if it has... or is it school holidays in Aust? The wiki has been working pretty happily for me this weekend and that's unusual. Here's hoping it stays working Ok.

BarryK · #56 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 10:28

Guys, I don't know which way the Foundation is leaning, but John's host is interesting me:

http://web.tera-byte.com/index.cfm?fuse ... ces.shared

Can someone give me some advice.
Their "4U" plan at $99 per year looks great, but it has a couple of major
differences from the other plans:

ASP: No
Shell access: Yes

What is the significance of the No on the first one?
Does shell access mean I can telnet to the site?

mjg · #57 Post by **mjg** » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 10:47

Barry, you won't need ASP for a wiki and yes, that should mean you can telnet if you want to. I like http://www.site5.com/ for hosting. I resell some domains to there and I've rarely had any interruptions in 12 months. I've found CPanel more user friendly than Ensim.

Lobster · #58 Post by **Lobster** » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 10:54

ASP is Active Server Pages a Microsoft server sided technology that we do not require as we would be using safer open source alternatives.

I must say as an avid forum user that Johns ISP have proved themselves to be fast and reliable. Top company.

If possible I would wait for:

1. Someone to just buy and donate a years space to the foundation
2. The Puppy Promotion week may have a donation drive.
3. Raffy is out begging . . .

What I would like is a server with access for Barry, Raffy, The Secretaries and Public Relations Officer (I elected myself - the vote was carried unanamously) and developers requiring access. It may be that not everyone requires access - for example the trustees.

Once the Server is paid for the wiki moves and then we would use one of the Puppy domain names for the wiki AND take over responsibility for paying this.

Hope that makes some sort of sense

GuestToo · #59 Post by **GuestToo** » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 00:05

server uptime graphs for goosee.com and murga.org ... note: uptime is not the same thing as server availability

puppian · #60 Post by **puppian** » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 20:32

Thanks. That's useful.

GuestToo wrote:note: uptime is not the same thing as server availability

Then what's the difference?

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Can't wait for your Java package...

Fix for Wikka server problems?

After 1.0.5

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