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[MU]

oh, and please tell me, what graficscard/chips you have exactly.
We will buy a testcomputer with Nvidia-card, and it shall be one of the "problematic" ones, so that we can find the errors. These cards are spread so widely, that we need an own testmachine for that.

Mark

[Barburo]

Hi Mark,
Here are the specifications for my HP TX1000 Laptop:
Display 12.1" WXGA High Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800)
Video NVIDIA GeForce Go 6150
Shared video memory (UMA)
Max allocated RAM size 128 MB
Processor AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology TL-56 / 1.8 GHz
Cache Memory Type L2 cache 1 MB
RAM 2 GB DDR II SDRAM

Just to restate my problem:
Puppy 3.01 regular CD lets me configure the screen, Muppy008Beta doesn't.

If I boot using the regular Puppy 3.01 (full Seamonkey drivers) CD with pfix=ram:
I choose Xorg - it probes video hardware and reports that it was unsuccessful.
Xorg then offers a list of generic monitor types to choose from.
I choose "D" which is h31.5-90v60 LCD panel 1280x800.
I test the 1280x800x16 configuration and I get a successful test screen and I can bring up Puppy 3.01 in 1280x800 resolution. It works!

If I do exactly the same thing but using the Muppy008 beta CD, everything appears on the screen exactly the same.
I choose the identical option (D), but when I then test the 1280x800x16 resolution it fails and shows a screen with null values for resolution, horizontal and vertical refresh rates.

Via the Tweak option I looked at the xorg.conf that Muppy008 generates and noted there are some differences from the one generated by regular Puppy 3.01.
Muppy defines card1 and monitor1 in addition to card0 and monitor0, but the horizontal and vertical frequency defs are identical. I tried changing the driver for card0 from "nv" to nvidia" (to match puppy3.01) and several other tweaks, but no luck getting a successful test.

I used the Xvesa option to get into Muppy008 and ran the Xorg wizard from within Muppy. I made the same changes to xorg.conf (driver "nvidia" for card0, commented out card1 and monitor1) and tried to restart. That's when the system locked up.

I wonder in what way Xorg in Muppy008 Xorg different from Xorg in regular Puppy 3.01.

**** Edit ****
Looked at var/log/Xorg.0.log which had this entry: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Undefined Screen "Screen1" referenced by ServerLayout "X.org Configured".
I checked the Xorg.config file that Muppy generated and there was no definition for screen 1.
I once again rebooted using the Muppy008 CD (pfix=ram) and got to the "Tweak" part of Xorgwizard.
I added an extra section at the end of Xorg.conf to define screen1:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "Card1"
Monitor "Monitor1"
DefaultDepth 16
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x800"
EndSubsection
EndSection

This seems to have solved my problem. Looks like a mod is need to add this in the Xorgwizard for Muppy008.

--Barburo.

[purple_ghost]

I start Muppy 008 Beta, I have not yet installed any other programs. I decided to get all the icons on the desktop where I can see them. I should increase the screen resolution and pull them into the middle of the desktop.

When first start Muppy I still see the "Install Nivida" tab and program Window in middle of page. I am guessing that the Xorg I am running is one from the standard Puppy. (Might have been the other is still installed and not showing... But I do not think so). I ignore that to change the earlier standard Puppy Xorg to a higher Res.

I click on Windows Manager/Exit to X server > yields a blank screen. I do not see any way to get out that. So I power off the computer. It was easy to start the "xorgwizard" as I just turned the power without a shutdown. The options I can seem to get to are very limited. Just the ones on the first page, Unlike the way xorgwizard works for the standard Puppy. Rather than test my skills at manually editing the xorg.conf, I just start up at 1028X768X16. The icon on the upper left hand side of the desktop starts "GTK Basic desktop button 1 and an Xmessage - JWM now runs on the second display Use the button the left screen ..... to go back to the first display. Choose "start -Shutdown -exit to prompt to close this display. And a lot of cute Penquins doing things on the desktop. So I exit to prompt and go back to the first Muppy Desktop.

Click "Install Nividia" brings up a second window with a blank green screen box. I click on "continue" button on bottom of Window. Next green box says "moment"

Then I am back to the Muppy desktop display. So I decide to take the new Nividia driver for a spin. I have a movie that has been previously ripped to the hard drive.

I start Gxine/File/Configure/Preferences and set myself to "Master of the Known Universe" Then set the Video to "xv" Then save, close. and quit Gxine. I start up Gxine again. and open a vob of the movie. The movie starts off and I notice that the Gxine Window Controls (upper right hand side of frame) in Muppy 008 has only two controls. a minus and an X. I have previously tried to open up Gxine by right click and going full screen and have had problems, hangs. So I decide to click&drag the Window frame open to a cover the front of the monitor. That hangs Gxine. Then I am left with an un playing non-responsive Gxine blob in the middle of the desktop. As it will not right click, or disappear by any other means. I right click the Gxine tab at the bottom of the desktop and kill.

I know that this kind of Gxine hang is something I also have seen in the standard Puppy 3.01 and is probably from Gxine not responding well to having its Windows size being changed while it is running. So this is not something you need to much worry about. Every time I tried to install Windows: I could not change the Window size until after I had installed the Video driver. This might be a symptom that we hope might be fixed with a better Video driver.

I think the problem I previously saw with your screen saver probably has to do with the fact the Nividia driver that was installed when I clicked "Install Nividia" is probably running so fast I did not get the chance to stop the screen saver from starting again.

I am through with playing with this tonight. Perhaps you could suggest the command which will tell me exactly which xorg driver is currently installed and running. Then I could inform you of that info, and that might shed some light on that which is happening.

I will create a new pup_save file for Muppy tomorrow, if you tell me something you want me to try. Do not worry about my needing to do anything with Muppy at this time. We are doing this just for your tests. I might try to edit the xorg.conf file and try to get a higher resolution..

Thank you for your efforts. I do not think that this post has shed much light at all on what you need to know. Sigh. Still. I am here willing to try whatever you suggest.

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[Barburo]

Hi Mark,
Just a quick one - I like to use the stardust theme that is in Barry's gtk theme chooser in regular Puppy 3.01. The H2O-gtk2-Stardust theme is not working in the theme selector in Muppy. It just reverts to the default theme. I expect to see the "water" progress bars in a dusty light-gray color. The H2O -Emerald and -Saphire themes work OK.
I also use LighthousePup, which uses the same gtk theme chooser, and the same thing happens - so the app is probably at fault.
Otherwise I am having fun checking out your Muppy008Beta.
--Barburo

[purple_ghost]

Muppy 008 Beta. When I tried to setup Internet connection from Icon on desktop. It offered for Dial Up the PupDial Program. Nothing happens. I looked at the Menu and it does not offer the Pup Dial Program that Barry wrote. I know that I use Dial up and I really like the program Barry wrote. Pupdial is the one that most easily offers me the oppotunity to enter alternate 'init strings"

[floborg]

[MU]

we will upload Muppy008 final in 1-2 days.
There are not many major changes, except one:

instead of pup_*.*fs it now uses msy_*.*fs.

So you have:
msy_080.sfs (before: pup_301.sfs)
zmsy_080.sfs (before: zdrv_301.sfs)
msy_save-YourChoice.2fs

This should get rid of the problem, that files from other Puppys are loaded by accident.
I think this somehow also fixed the problem, that zdrv_301.sfs was not always loaded, so that you were missing several Kernelmodules.
Suddenly my internal modem is detected.
It is a bit difficult to track back, which of my changes solved this.
Barry started to "centralize" the names of some variables in PUPSTATE, but that is not consistent yet.
E.g. the bootmanager still has "pup_" hardcoded.
So I had to modify several scripts.

Apart from that only minor changes:
secondwm and screensaver no longer autoloaded because of graficsdrivers-problems. They will be enhanced later in Muppy 009.
Update of pburn and pnethood and GtkBasic.
Firefox (german) now is 2.0.0.11 and is pre-configured to use flash9 and only 1 button on the right to close tabs.
Additional swiss keymaps.
Xmodmap for Xvesa (allows äöüß in Xvesa, too).

Oh yes, and the universal installer now warns you not to use a full installation

We will not include more german translations or tools, because it takes too long.
At moment, Muppy seems to be a very usable and stable system.

After this release we'll immedeatly start to work on 009.
This also will be based on Puppy 301, but now with the focus on new applications from scratch, like the Muppy Config Center based on GtkBasic, or a "Samba - share these folders" utility based on Minisys (runs in Webbrowser, shows a treeview of your folders).
We do not include the latter yet in 008, as we haved not solved yet the strange behaviour of Samba described here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24570


If the final still shows bugs you reported, then you are encouraged to report them again.
I'm not shure at moment, what will be solved by the msy-files, and what not.
So we need to pursue them on base of these changes.

Mark

[oui]

bonjour

I did trz todaz for the first time Muppy 008 *engl. version( and I am reallz desappointed because

a& kezmap

it would announced as a German version *I did download the engl. version because it seems that Mplazer is available in it and not in the German one_(

a major problem is of course that German people in Germanz are racists against German speaking people in the Swiss...

onlz a minimal among of bztes and I would be able to write this message about correctlz

that the main distribution of puppz renounce to install the CH?de or&and CH?fr kezmap in it is verz surprising because no other kezmap can permit to write as much West/European languages. but ok}

if a German distribution renounce to... hum, it is verz verz poor...

(what is the best waz to complete the installation with Swiss kezmap-s )

b& Mplazer

what is the sense of Mplazer without the codecs for Microsoft Movies

i thing> no sense

*recommanded test> German TV and movies in Microsoft format, French TV, ARTE
for example> http://jt.france2.fr/20h/

in Vector Linux *partner distro for puppz* for T2 all this sites can be viewed without difficultie}

c& webcam

this big distro would be reallz verz more interessant with a light access to webcam comfort
I thing webcam is stand of the technik in modern linux distributions also if puppz people don-t see anz more what happen outside of puppz

salut

[MU]

Salut Oui,

the german version has mplayer of course.
It only is english, and not localized to german yet.
So it is listed as english program.
Both isos have the same programs and codecs.

general legal notice:
If for any reason the use of a a codec is prohibited in your country, delete it, or do not use the iso.
Each user is responsible to obey the laws of the country he lives in, but I cannot create customized versions for every country.
As all codecs are available for free download from every country, I currently see no clash in delivering them within the iso.


The final version also will include swiss keymaps (the german iso only).
I got them from here (with german instruction on how to add them in general):
http://f24.parsimony.net/forum54930/messages/68905.htm

Again:
the only difference between german and english version:
the german Iso has more keymaps, and some programs have additional german translations.
Most programs in the german iso also could run english, but not all.
Hardcoded german is in these programs:
firefox
OpenOffice
Initrd.gz
These will not run english in the german iso, even if you would set the locale to en_US.

Webcams:
I'll have a look at them in 009, until then you must install dotpups.
The quick release-cycle of new kernels in Puppy made it hard to keep track.
I'm just happy we now have a system, that covers most concerns, but there still is room left for enhancements in 009

Merci, Mark

[MU]

008 final is out.
See:
http://dotpups.de/Minisys-Linux/

The "DE" iso is german.
The "EN" iso is english.
Also you can get there devx_080.sfs, which simply is a renamed devx_301.sfs.
It is the compiler addon from Puppy 3.

Note, that Muppy does no longer uses files that use pup_301 in the name, but msy_080.

So if you want to use a KDE addon, it must be named like kde_080.sfs.

Tomorrow I leave to my mom in the deepest countryside in Visselhövede, an area with large forrests and heath, and will be offline for 1-2 weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCneburger_Heide
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BCneburger_Heide

But I hopefully will get a notebook with UMTS in january, this will allow me to be online from anywhere.

I'm looking forward your bugreports and wishes for version 009
Have a happy christmas and a good new year

Mark

[marvin27]

When Muppy008 boots and asks if I want Nvidia Drivers the mouse is no longer visible. I have a mouse cursor up to that point.

How can I fix this?


Thanks

[Cur Dog]

Is anyone else having problems with gnumeric? I have been using puppy for about 6 months and just loaded Muppy 008 final. The spreadsheet that I have been using in puppy 3.01 with no issues will not open in Muppy. Gnumeric splash screen will open and appear to be loading the spreadsheet and then Muppy acts as if it locks up, fish quit swimming, no mouse movement. After about 2 minutes splash screen will close and all seems to be working again. If this has been discussed in another thread please forgive my ignorance.

[Fishy]

Something simple here but when I change locales I lose the task bar and the menus. In other words nothing at bottom of screen and no menus when I right click the screen.

I know that I have seen this before and figured it out myself but cut me some slack. It is Christmas holidays and I am suffering from melt down .

Happy holidays to all those who make Puppy a rousing success.

[Barburo]

Hi Mark,
I have tested the final Muppy 080 on my regular system (AMD Duron 800mHz 450 K RAM) with wide screen monitor, and on my laptop (HP Pavillion TX1000 twin Turion 64 with 2megs of RAM). Successful Frugal install on both.
1. Sometimes the cursor fails to initialize - it's there but you can't see it. Ctl-alt-backspace with xwin doesn't restore it but a reboot usually gets it back. Also happens in regular Puppy 3.01 so it may not be Muppy specific.
2. The analog clock always resets to the same initial position - it doesn't remember where I move it. Nice to have it though, makes the screen more Vista-like.
3. Needed to set font size and family in UserChrome for both Firefox and Thunderbird (PET package) because screen fonts were too tiny.
4. Still had to add definition for Screen1 via Xorg tweak of config file to get the laptop to work at 1280x800 resolution. nVidia install went smoothly for both systems.

I will add other bugs as I find them.

[Barburo]

I would like to know if anyone has K3B working with any version of Puppy 3.01.
Older .sfs files that work with Puppy 2.xx don't seem to work with puppy 3.01 and variants. (Different Kernel?)
Any suggestions on getting K3B to work?