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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sun 09 Dec 2007, 15:40    Post subject: Re: New release of Dragon Puppy
Subject description: Release number 2 ... codename "Junior"
 

D1G1T wrote:
Dragon puppy 2 - codename "Junior"

Ok I have finished some modifications on Dragon puppy. As I mentioned before. I have done some clean up added pdf reader. Iso size is now 108 MB Many work to do. Still working on that stupid xvesa script. Maybe in next release wil be fixed.

Bonus:
Added new wallpaper. I hope you will like it.

Added startup sound. So when your Dragon puppy boot every in 10m circle will know.

I have done some work on boot so its now faster.

Fixed emblems and some file asociations.


Have to go to work again.

I will download .iso today at evening. Good bye guys. At next release. I think about your ideas. Give some more inspiration.
Can you please resize you screen shots to 800x600.
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Dec 2007, 15:49    Post subject:  

oldog1984 wrote:
not able to download dragon puppy junior tried it 2 times didnt work any help..thanks maybe a utorrent?
No problem with the link in the first post.
Just select download in the top line menu and follow.
I am downloading right now.

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Dec 2007, 08:51    Post subject:  

tryed to download again 70% done then it said it was done can someone make a torrent for this it would help i have better luck with them. any help will be good. thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Dec 2007, 20:23    Post subject:  

how are you downloading? you know wget can resume don't you? ..utorrent are you running windows? transmission is the torrent app in puppy...

if you are running windows google free download manager.... it is now open source and supports torrents and regular downloads...

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TNTtrev

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Dec 2007, 22:29    Post subject:  

Downloaded Dragon Puppy 1 - Started up fine, worked nicely. The only thing that I really noticed was that the Xvesa wizard didn't work. I have to run in Xvesa due to the fact that if I run in Xorg it gives me a block instead of a pointer for my mouse. Is there a way to change this in Xorg or make the Xvesa wizard run in Dragon? I like the fact that it already has the four programs I use the most built in: Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, and Gimp.

Downloaded Dragon Puppy 2 - Niiice. Cleaned up but still retains the functionality of the original Dragon Puppy. The only bad part is now this one doesn't even have a Xvesa wizard. This begs the question: is there a way to fix the mouse pointer in Xorg mode?

I forgot to throw in that I do the video-wizard on the command line, it tells me that permission denied. Is there a way to fix this?
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2007, 14:02    Post subject:  

This is a very nice offering. Xfce is well-received. SAM Linux (PCLinuxOS derivative) is also worth a look, although much bigger, of course. Since you're actively developing this one, it might be a great opportunity to tidy up a whole bunch of stuff (eg double entry for US k/b, etc - but there's much more) as BK clearly isn't going to get around to detail with so much on his plate. I would dump Thunderbird (clumsy) in favour of Sylpheed, which is adequate. If you like MeanPup, you'll see why substituting Opera for Firefox has fantastic advantages, even if some folks have problems clicking 'I agree' or running through the extensive settings and add-ons. Both of these are likely to be space saving which will please. I'm sure you'll have a very long list of additional suggestions. The trick is to slim your product - world + dog has been creating bloat for too long. Xfce should help?
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Dec 2007, 21:22    Post subject:  

Anyone figure out the Xvesa script yet? Or are we still waiting on the next release to get it to work?
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2007, 01:02    Post subject: what's the MD5 checksum for Dragon junior?  

what's the MD5 checksum for Dragon junior? I just downloaded it and want to make sure it's not corrupted.
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Dec 2007, 11:26    Post subject:  

Is this anything to do with http://dragonlinux.sourceforge.net/
Is this anything to do with the 50Mb distro thats appeared on Mini Linux on Wikipedia?
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nic2109

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 17:43    Post subject: Network Problems  

Hello; I have tried both versions 1 and 2 of Dragon puppy and like it a lot, but have encountered a very odd failure which is present in both versions.

If I boot from the live CD then things are fine, but if I do a frugal install and then boot from it the network wizard finds no network interface. There should be 2 (eth0 for wired and eth1 for wireless) and i know the proper modules to load, namely b44 and ipw3945. However the network wizard won't even load them when specified.

Whatever might have caused this? And how can it be remedied?
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan 2008, 18:33    Post subject:  

have you copied zdrv_301.sfs, too?
It includes the drivers (in Puppy, I did not try Dragonpuppy yet).

Mark
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2008, 10:26    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
have you copied zdrv_301.sfs, too? Mark

Thanks Mark but I sure did.

In fact, I actually copied rather more than necessary by mounting the iso image, selecting all the files and copying them into a new directory. I then set the GRUB entries to use that directory and it boots up fine.

I did that "belt and braces" approach for the 2nd try (wih Dragonpuppy v2) after my first atempt (with v1) gave this error when I had only copied just the necessary files - including zdrv.

I have also tried to hack it by copying and renaming a zdrv from another Puppy 3 (Muppy008) - having first renamed the original zdrv. I have no clear idea whether that was a good idea, but it seemed worth a try. But that has exactly the same problem.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2008, 11:27    Post subject: mail handlers  

I want to echo what Sage said about mail. Thunderbird is big and clumsy. On a slow machine you think twice about dashing off a message. Sylpheed has been remarkably fast, usable and stable. I tried Claws Mail, but decided I wasn't using the extra features, and found the interface and documentation less to my liking than Sylpheed. By using an old hack of defining the external editor as a terminal running aspell, I have been able to get spellchecking I can live with.
Code:
rxvt -e aspell -e -c '%s'

(I intended to recompile Sylpheed with support for the gtkspell interface, but never got around to it. Maybe someone who wants to smooth out this wrinkle will do it. It's been done, just not for Puppy.) This gives you a tiny mail program, without wasted space for a dictionary many people never use. (If they want it, they can install the aspell and language pets.) And, did I say it was fast?

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2008, 13:44    Post subject: xvesa wizard fix  

TNTtrev wrote:
Anyone figure out the Xvesa script yet? Or are we still waiting on the next release to get it to work?



If you try to use the video-wizard and it won't run again here is the fix
this is for all versions of 3.00 and 3.01 for puppylinux and all derivatives

below is a simple script to fix the xvesa video wizard

#!/bin/sh
##fix for xvesa by big bass.The xvesa video-wizard in version 3.00 and 3.01 won't let you restart the video-wizard if /etc/xextraoptions does not have this line that says -shadow without this value the script is broken and won't run.This is the patch to make it work again
looks simple but it took me a long time to solve it you only really need to copy and paste at console the
line of code below for it to work again


echo '-shadow' > /etc/xextraoptions



I updated this with a script to make it easier for those who need it

P.S looks good I'll download your iso today . I have been working on fat-free "Vintage" (my love for the older kernel 2.6.18.1) it has been done for a few weeks just running the usual tests before I upload it


preserve the vintage puppy versions

build what you want /have fun doing it


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2008, 19:42    Post subject: boot time params?  

Hi D1G1T,

This is a great little pup. I just downloaded (using wget) and burned Dragon Pup "Junior" and I am posting from it now. Sometime back (a year, two?) I got a custom gentoo system built with XFCE and Gimp, Firefox, etc. and managed to keep it small. Installing systems on anyone else's computer was just too much work. (I hadn't found Puppy then.) Now, you've done more than I ever attempted and kept it even smaller. Bravo!

Naturally, there have to be some problems. When I booted this on my laptop I didn't get a pause where I could press a key to stop boot up and enter parameters, even a half second would have been enough. The second problem stems from the first, I didn't have the chance to type "pfix=ram", so it tried to use Puppy files for a 3.01 version it found from a frugal hard disk install. (This is not peculiar to your version.) What still bothers me is that it never completed boot up before I shut it down, yet still altered hard disk files. I used ctrl-alt-del because I was afraid a power off would corrupt files being accessed. It looks like I would have been better off allowing it to complete boot and then, when the disk stopped activity, turning power off.

The pause during boot is trivial. As for how best to stop a runaway boot, someone else can advise me. At the moment I am where I should have been when I started testing - on a machine with the hard drive disconnected.

Still discovering good things about the junior dragon.

prehistoric

edit: a tip for those, like myself, who spend most of their time thinking about software: if you disconnect the internal hard drive, to test an experimental system, remember to disconnect unused IDE cables from the motherboard, otherwise the unterminated cable makes a great antenna in a very noisy electrical environment. I was thinking I had a motherboard problem when I remembered this.

@TNTtrev,

You may not have to use VESA. Have you tried editing the X11 conf, (after choosing the tweak button in the xorgwizard script,) and uncommenting and setting the HW_cursor option to "false"? I'm working from memory on a different machine, so you should check the exact syntax, capitalization, etc.

Added: Just tested TinyMe-test7. This is a good effort, (even if they consider 200 MB tiny.) It is slower than Puppy, but much, much faster than PCLinuxOS, whose libraries it uses. The reason for mentioning this here is the choice of applications for a tiny distro. They use the Opera browser and Sylpheed for mail. Their version of Sylpheed is very slick and was compiled with the built-in spellchecking option I want. In general this group is good at fixing bugs, and their choices reflect those you make when you want a small memory footprint. Because they can upgrade to current PCLinuxOS applications using Synaptic they have a huge selection of applications available in repositories. In general, this is *not* binary compatible with Puppy, but, for people who can compile from source this is an excellent starting point. You just have to be careful about pulling in dependencies which bloat your system. http://www.mypclinuxos.com/doku.php/tinyme:home
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