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mdd


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec 2007, 23:07    Post_subject: Re: for kids  

mdd wrote:
raffy wrote:
It's designed for kids, so perhaps mimic one. Smile

When demonstrating the live XO live CD today, I noticed that it can use multiple desktops (activities), but they get shown in the frontpage wheel. When moving the mouse to the borders, the control icons at the borders would show.

Pretty neat design, I should say. Maybe it's the processor horsepower that is needed for the user to enjoy its features.


I think the OLPC software really stinks. It seems a classic example of interface designers wanting to do something new, and throwing out all the lessons learned about gui design over the last 20 years.

I bought three, one for each of my kids for Christmas. They looked at the OLPC interface like it was something from Mars. After playing with it for a while (having to reboot it three times in an hour due to freezups), they all decided that it just wasn't worth the trouble.

I also had two spare eeePCs laying around, so I gave the two eldest the choice between the OLPC or the eeePC. The eee won hands down. It wasn't even close. Now the youngest is feeling cheated. I think that the only option to rescue the holiday for her is to get Puppy working on her OLPC. The first person to get it ported will have my, and my daughter's, undying gratitude.

--MDD


I'd be happy to send an OLPC to Barry, if that would help.

--MDD
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raffy

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 00:14    Post_subject: same here  

You just posted what I was thinking. Smile

Barry Kauler Address: PO Box 359 Perenjori WA 6620 Australia

He is currently building Dingo (Puppy4) and including both the Intel Classmate and eeePC in the detection routine. If he gets an OPLC unit, that will be an excellent addition to his laboratory. See http://puppylinux.com/blog/

Now, when it comes to doing mesh networking, OLPC will then do mesh with the Classmate PCs (?). Only in the Puppy kennel... Very Happy

ADDITIONS:

Puppy 2.14R with updated Xorg that can handle the AMD Geode CS5536 chip: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24574

My post about the possibility of booting Puppy in the OLPC:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=151434#151434

My fun experiment for the eee PC (WPA and microphone problems are still being solved at this moment): http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24881

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 02:01    Post_subject: One to Barry - would leave two  

If you send one to Barry, that would leave you with a couple to experiment with. And you might like to try this until the arrival of a Puppy version that uses all the capability of the XO.

Quote:
While waiting for the servers to finish churning last night, I put
together an UNOFFICIAL Debian "etch" 4.0 + XFCE4 build for the XO. It
includes Firefox, Thunderbird, a suite of development tools (python,
git, gcc, gdb, flex, bison, automake, autoconf, libtool), a music
player (XMMS), IRC client (irssi) and a graphical wireless AP
selector. The entire build takes up 250MB of flash. I optimized the
Firefox window layout to give you maximum screen estate, and
configured a number of keyboard shortcuts. Feedback welcome. Standard
disclaimer applies.


How to install
--------------

1. download the following two files to a USB stick:

<http://radian.org/~krstic/etch-xfce.tar>
<http://radian.org/~krstic/etch-xfce-home.tar>

2. get a developer key, disable security
3. boot the normal build, switch to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1), become root
4. mount the USB key if not automounted; let's say it's mounted at /
media/KEY
4. # cd /versions/pristine; tar xf /media/KEY/etch-xfce.tar
5. # cd /home/olpc; tar xf /media/KEY/etch-xfce-home.tar
6. # cp -rl /versions/pristine/debian /versions/run/debian
7. # /usr/sbin/setattr -R --iunlink /versions/run/debian
8. # ln -s /versions/pristine/debian /versions/boot/alt
9. # sync
10. Power off the XO. Power on and immediately hold the 'O' game key
(right hand side of the screen.

Boot should now proceed to a blue-background login screen. Log in as
user 'olpc' with password 'olpc' -- that user has sudo access. Give
XFCE a bit of time to load, and voila! Use the keyboard shortcuts
below for some of the most useful options. Note that Firefox can take
up to 15-20s to load after you start it, and you won't see a progress
indication on the screen; that's expected. Also, you don't need to
hold the 'O' key to boot into Debian next time; it'll be the default.
Holding the key will get you back to the regular Sugar build.


Keyboard shortcuts
------------------

- Ctrl+alt+w -- wireless AP picker
- Ctrl+alt+t -- xterm (also alt+`)
- Ctrl+alt+f -- firefox
- Ctrl+alt+b -- thunderbird
- Ctrl+alt+x -- xmms

Enjoy,

--
Ivan Krsti? <krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> | http://radian.org


Ivan Kristic is a member of the OLPC team, and the above is from a post to the OLPC developer list.

BTW, have you tried mesh networking your XO's? If you connect one to an ethernet router port, they can all access the web via the mesh (according to material about school servers).

A green (and white) with envy BlackAdder.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 20:39    Post_subject:  

Hey, have you seen my Classmate page:
http://www.puppylinux.com/baby-laptops/classmate.htm

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 23:15    Post_subject:  

Seen It. Dugg it . . . awaiting T-shirt Smile
http://digg.com/hardware/Puppy_Frolics_in_the_Classroom

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PlatonicPimp

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 01:47    Post_subject:  

Come on, I love Puppy, and I love my new XO. Don't make me choose between the two.

What, precisely, prevents us from booting puppy from a stick? Or even a external cdrom attached via USB?

From there, how do we enable the special hardware options of the XO? The built in camera, the Wireless mesh networking, the brightness adjusters? According to a thread I found here (http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=592.0), it seems to be as simple in many cases as finding the proper command and binding it to the key, but I have to admit I'm not savvy enough to completely follow the conversation.

Then, we can worry about installing it to the hard drive.

I only know enough linux to grasp basic concepts and follow directions. I also know this will take a lot of experimenting on someone's part. Since no-one seems to be chomping at the bit to give it a go for the shear challenge of it, what incentive can I and others offer to see this get taken on? I will do whatever I can to assist on this project.

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 01:53    Post_subject: one answer  

I gave you one answer here. Embarassed

Thanks for your enthusiasm - Happy New Year!

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mdd


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 02:52    Post_subject: Re: same here  

raffy wrote:
You just posted what I was thinking. Smile

Barry Kauler Address: PO Box 359 Perenjori WA 6620 Australia

He is currently building Dingo (Puppy4) and including both the Intel Classmate and eeePC in the detection routine. If he gets an OPLC unit, that will be an excellent addition to his laboratory. See http://puppylinux.com/blog/


OK. I sent it out via Express Mail today. They said it would get there by about Jan 14th.

--MDD
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PlatonicPimp

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 04:13    Post_subject:  

Heh, "whatever I can" does not include shipping away a new laptop a week after I get it. It was far too great a financial outlay for me. Thank you mdd for doing what I could not and sending an XO to Barry. May your praises be sung.

As I posted in that other thread, user rkevans on the OLPCNews forums apparently is working towards this as well, perhaps efforts can be coordinated. http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.0

I'll happily subject my XO to beta testing builds and the like. I can't think of much other than that. You are right, raffy, I'm enthusiastic but mostly useless. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 04:55    Post_subject: ?  

Quote:
You are right, raffy

Huh - I've never said anything yet. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 06:08    Post_subject: Re: same here  

mdd wrote:
OK. I sent it out via Express Mail today. They said it would get there by about Jan 14th.

mdd, that's incredible! I guess from your post about all the baby laptops you own, you're not short of a dollar or two. But, anyway, if I get Puppy running on it, I'll send it back for your daughter to use.

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mdd


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jan 2008, 12:08    Post_subject: Re: same here  

BarryK wrote:
mdd wrote:
OK. I sent it out via Express Mail today. They said it would get there by about Jan 14th.

mdd, that's incredible! I guess from your post about all the baby laptops you own, you're not short of a dollar or two. But, anyway, if I get Puppy running on it, I'll send it back for your daughter to use.


No need. I had three of them. Please keep it. With all you've done for us, it would be my pleasure.

--MDD
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan 2008, 22:45    Post_subject:  

Cool There you are in a developing country (not the poorest) and the schooling system provide books in the form of a little green laptop.

Now as geeks we might have preferences. Kids adapt to what they have. Sugar is sweet and the commercial arena is providing its own saccharine . . .

Those kids will experiement. Even a hint of a Puppy hiding in their laptop and they might be tempted . . .

Sugar uses Python, a great usable language (for kids and beginners)

Barry has done a 15 minute review of the OLPC laptop on his Blog. I hope in the future more time (yep I am still trying to compress more time into less space) will be available.

Given time everything changes (I read that on a cereal packet) Cool

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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan 2008, 03:26    Post_subject:  

mdd :
" OLPC donation received
January 18th, 2008

I would like to thank Mike (’mdd’ in the Puppy Forum) for sending me a OLPC XO laptop to get Puppy running on it. That is extremely generous, as Mike purchased it then sent it to me — actually, he bought 3, or was that 6 due to the buy-2 plan?. I have the green one: "


Good one Mike.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan 2008, 11:54    Post_subject: Re: One to Barry - would leave two
Sub_title: Debian did not boot when installed on G1G1 XO with 650 build.
 

I followed the instruction to install Debian on my XO, It trys to boot but errors out before completion. Does this work on the XO's with the native 650 build? I believe Ivan had version 653.

While waiting for Puppy for the XO, might learn something using Debian.

I also want to thank mdd for the donation of one of his XO's. I was not that generous but I did make my second donation to Barry hoping he might port Puppy to the XO.

Regards
Ron

BlackAdder wrote:
If you send one to Barry, that would leave you with a couple to experiment with. And you might like to try this until the arrival of a Puppy version that uses all the capability of the XO.

Quote:
While waiting for the servers to finish churning last night, I put
together an UNOFFICIAL Debian "etch" 4.0 + XFCE4 build for the XO. It
includes Firefox, Thunderbird, a suite of development tools (python,
git, gcc, gdb, flex, bison, automake, autoconf, libtool), a music
player (XMMS), IRC client (irssi) and a graphical wireless AP
selector. The entire build takes up 250MB of flash. I optimized the
Firefox window layout to give you maximum screen estate, and
configured a number of keyboard shortcuts. Feedback welcome. Standard
disclaimer applies.


How to install
--------------

1. download the following two files to a USB stick:

<http://radian.org/~krstic/etch-xfce.tar>
<http://radian.org/~krstic/etch-xfce-home.tar>

2. get a developer key, disable security
3. boot the normal build, switch to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1), become root
4. mount the USB key if not automounted; let's say it's mounted at /
media/KEY
4. # cd /versions/pristine; tar xf /media/KEY/etch-xfce.tar
5. # cd /home/olpc; tar xf /media/KEY/etch-xfce-home.tar
6. # cp -rl /versions/pristine/debian /versions/run/debian
7. # /usr/sbin/setattr -R --iunlink /versions/run/debian
8. # ln -s /versions/pristine/debian /versions/boot/alt
9. # sync
10. Power off the XO. Power on and immediately hold the 'O' game key
(right hand side of the screen.

Boot should now proceed to a blue-background login screen. Log in as
user 'olpc' with password 'olpc' -- that user has sudo access. Give
XFCE a bit of time to load, and voila! Use the keyboard shortcuts
below for some of the most useful options. Note that Firefox can take
up to 15-20s to load after you start it, and you won't see a progress
indication on the screen; that's expected. Also, you don't need to
hold the 'O' key to boot into Debian next time; it'll be the default.
Holding the key will get you back to the regular Sugar build.


Keyboard shortcuts
------------------

- Ctrl+alt+w -- wireless AP picker
- Ctrl+alt+t -- xterm (also alt+`)
- Ctrl+alt+f -- firefox
- Ctrl+alt+b -- thunderbird
- Ctrl+alt+x -- xmms

Enjoy,

--
Ivan Krsti? <krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu> | http://radian.org


Ivan Kristic is a member of the OLPC team, and the above is from a post to the OLPC developer list.

BTW, have you tried mesh networking your XO's? If you connect one to an ethernet router port, they can all access the web via the mesh (according to material about school servers).

A green (and white) with envy BlackAdder.
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