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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 02:10    Post subject:  

Tempestious, I totally agreee that the "R" part is far more important than the 2.14 part. The amount of bugfixing,driver additions and bugfixing makes 2.14r the most developed 2.xx series so far. Its just more "finished". The Newer Slackware packages would have been nice, but the 2.xx series already has a wealth of packages available to it. Puppy (to my mind) is a starter distro, and care should be taken to ensure that linuxes reputation for rock solid reliability should be evident to new users. They can then make the decision to use other versions of puppy (many many of which are available) or start to use another distro. Ive had to move many of my users onto linux mint xfce edition because or basic bugs (full pup_saves being the main one!) amongst others. 2.14r already has features that were planned for the CE edition (like automounting)...why duplicate effort?

Justgreg, thanks for your input. I totally agree about useability being the key. Pfind is already the default filefinder, although turma is also very powerful for searching within files and thats included in 2.14r too. Ive just heard back from Ttuxxx who is changing a few of the packages in 2.14r. Specifically, the super-fast and very useable Skipstone will be used in place of dillo, xpdf will be replaced by a more bug-free and pwerful ePDFView (as used in 3.xx).

Ok..the name, obviously TS3.03ce cannot be used any more. What it is called is laregly acedemic (its whether it works that counts!) We could keep the "talking stick" part suggested by lobster. Personally I would like something that would give credit to the base's earlier origins, and the work put in by pakt, dougal and tempestious. Upping the version number would make a lot of sense as it would stop the misconception that 2.14r was somehow older and out of date. Perhaps....

Puppy 2.2ce"Phoenix"?

Suggestions...as always...welcome Very Happy



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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 04:36    Post subject:  

Seen the latest developer news.
Omelettes all round....or too late to unscramble yet.

Here was my comment to Barry.

" Ha! Ha!
Barry, you are the last of the jokers.
Good one mate.

There has been a lot of talk on the forum about the next CE...
Talking Stick.....that you would not revisit the 3 series.

I'll have to call you Sidchrome.....you really have thrown a spanner
in the works......not even April the First yet!
Enjoy the trip BK as much as I'm enjoying the laugh. "

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 05:18    Post subject:  



Very Happy Just when you thought Puppy was boring . . .

At the moment I am suggesting a modular aproach
(first suggested in Puppy 2.03CE which would allow us to use
both versions and then some . . .

Phoenix I like. The stick can be thrown on the fire . . .
I would drop the version numbers altogether . . .

Have sent Robert a PM Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 07:40    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
Seen the latest developer news.
Omelettes all round....or too late to unscramble yet.

Ha! I love it! Razz It looks like we'll have two new CE versions sunny-side up in short order (to borrow your cooking analogy).

I can just imagine Barry chuckling quietly to himself throughout the next 4 weeks. I hope he enjoys his holiday in India. It's a pity he isn't off fossicking, because my guess is that he's left us with a real diamond in the rough. Cool

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 09:44    Post subject:  

Huzzah! This is great news. I am downloading the ISO as we speak (err, type). Now if will just have time to test it . . .

What I was getting from his (Barry's) post is that he will be pushing through 3.02, but that he intends to leave the rest of 3.x series development for the community. Am I reading that right?

Speaking of omelettes, now I'm getting kind of hungry.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 10:48    Post subject:  

SirDuncan wrote:

What I was getting from his (Barry's) post is that he will be pushing through 3.02, but that he intends to leave the rest of 3.x series development for the community. Am I reading that right?

That's how I understand it yes. I think the first thing to do is test 3.02, before we make any more decisions.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 11:01    Post subject:  

Ok since Barry has told us basically in this document to make the next next ce version on puppy 3.0 series does that now finally mean that its a go? And If so, Man I'm happy, and if not damn! lol
ttuuxxx

If you find that it works and would like to work on it, with a view to a final release version, I propose that it be the basis of a Community Edition, with the versions 3.02 - 3.09 being alpha and beta releases, final being 3.10.
The problem for me is that I’m going on holiday for 4 weeks and will be narrowly focussed on a few things, like improving the PETget package manager. Also, the main focus of my attention will continue to be Dingo. So, if anyone wants bring 3.02 to a final release, you’re welcome.

What I can do is upload the complete Unleashed tarball that I used to build 3.02alpha1, but I only have two more days broadband access. Right now it’s Friday afternoon, and my broadband access will be until Sunday morning. So let me know promptly if you want it.

I know that there are proposals for the next CE to be built on other versions, so my offer is just a suggestion.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 11:08    Post subject: v3.02-alpha bug thread started  

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25978
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 14:07    Post subject:  

Please remember this is a very big challenge for the community. AFAIK this is the first time that the community will have built a CE version that has started life as an Alpha. The others have been built on final releases. This is a different ball game here. Since we have to get under the hood on this one, people need to be prepared to get their hands dirty with this.

Barry has said that he visualises that 7 pre-releases will be necessary in order to get to 3.10CE final.

People with the necessary skills are required here:
1) Optimised compiling, advanced Bash scripting and all sorts of programming skills.
2) HCI skills: Graphics, GUI design
3) Project Management
4) Distro packaging
5) Documentation
6)Testing
7)Maintenance and service packs
Cool Teamaking (Teamaking??)

This one needs to be done right. If you have the desire, the skills and the time, your Puppy needs YOU!!

This one is worth going for, since it will be a classic, and the last of the 3 series Puppies.
Lets get started and lets do it right.

"I can only offer you Blood, Sweat and Tears" - Winston Churchill

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2008, 16:10    Post subject:  

Just downloaded and set up Unleashed for 302Alpha.

Built a bootable iso without a hitch first time no bother.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Feb 2008, 21:34    Post subject:  

BarryK on 3.02ce:-

Quote:
The thing to understand about 3.02alpha1 is that it is the same as 3.01. I have updated scripts and added some applications, but all the rest is as before. Same Xorg, same kernel, same modules, same libraries, same everything.


Im happy to know that the 3.xx series is still gong to be developed, I understand it is a technically superior system. 2.14r is the correct version to make a community edition from as from the quote above. From the bug reports so far, 3.02 still suffers from incompatibilities with very common hardware such as i810 graphics, eepro100 based network cards, and from my own test ac97 sounds. This would mean that a 3.02 based ce would be very limited on the amount of computers that it would operate on with "no-hassle", compared with a 2.14r version that does support this hardware. Puppy is a distro that is aimed at new linux users and older hardware.

I understand that there will be a development process, and that the community may be responsible for bugfixing 3.xx series. I thing this is a very promising step forward should it take place.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Feb 2008, 22:01    Post subject: 3.02  

BarryK on 3.02ce:-

Quote:
The thing to understand about 3.02alpha1 is that it is the same as 3.01. I have updated scripts and added some applications, but all the rest is as before. Same Xorg, same kernel, same modules, same libraries, same everything.


Im happy to know that the 3.xx series is still gong to be developed, I understand it is a technically superior system. 2.14r is the correct version to make a community edition from as from the quote above. From the bug reports so far, 3.02 still suffers from incompatibilities with very common hardware such as i810 graphics, eepro100 based network cards, and from my own test ac97 sounds. This would mean that a 3.02 based ce would be very limited on the amount of computers that it would operate on with "no-hassle", compared with a 2.14r version that does support this hardware. Puppy is a distro that is aimed at new linux users and older hardware. In terms of its "usefulness", this rates higher than slackware compatability (although nice).

I understand that there will be a development process, and that the community may be responsible for bugfixing 3.xx series. I thing this is a very promising step forward should it take place. Should this take place, the 3.xx series will be ready for a CE

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Feb 2008, 22:04    Post subject:  

I'm in

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