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raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila |
If we go either host (hostgator, bluehost), we will be given a domain, like servername.hostname.com/~puppylinux We develop the site then point the puppylinux.org DNS to it when ready. If WhoDo starts the purchase now, then we'll have achieved something this Easter.  (You'll be surprised how fast these guys respond to customers.) As to other people contributing funds for the website, please send contributions to Barry's Paypal account.
Re: puppylinux.org - the nasty links are there again - will check how much damage was done. I guess it's an interjection that we really have to move hosting. (Addition: The index file was completely replaced by the crap links - someone must be reading this thread and trying to have some weird fun.) Yes, our servage hosting includes pupweb.org, so we can still keep using the site even if puppylinux.org is moved to another host. Addition: I will no longer upgrade the wiki (and risk corrupting parts of it) since its contents will be ported soon to the new site. _________________ Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? Get the sfs (English only). |
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WhoDo
 Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 4441 Location: Lake Macquarie NSW Australia |
Done, raffy. Details included in a PM to you this afternoon my time. I have told them we will use our own domain name in puppylinux.org and simply re-point our name servers, so we'll see what access they send me. _________________ Actions speak louder than words ... and they usually work when words don't! SIP:whodo@proxy01.sipphone.com; whodo@realsip.com |
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raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila |
Thanks, Warren (Whodo). Hostgator.com is puppylinux.org's new home.
It will take some time before the actual transfer of puppylinux.org, and Tom, Oli and other editors will now start working on the new site. Tom has the Cpanel details, and I suggest that he PMs a few helpers and they use the temporary URL (and possibly a Drupal forum in it) to coordinate while preparing the new site. Happy Easter, everyone! |
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Aitch
 Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Nice work, guys Onward & upward! as WhoDo said elsewhere,
Happy Easter, everyone aitch |
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klu9
Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 345 |
My suggestion: turn it into a repo for ISOs, SFSs, big dotpups/dotpets, manuals... but NOT an http/ftp repo. Make it a BitTorrent "seedbox" instead, permanently sharing Puppy files via BitTorrent. Why? 1. Puppy needs a constant BitTorrent source for files; maybe the Servage account could be it. 2. Servage=Pwnage 
BitTorrent clients automatically hash pieces of a file and fix corruption. A regular HTTP/FTP repo on Servage might be giving people corrupt files (which might require redownloading 100% of the file all over again after finding out what the problem is and then finding a reliable alternative server to use). But if the files somehow get corrupted on a Bittorrent seedbox, the downloader's BitTorrent clients will simply ignore/fix the corrupted pieces. Alternative/Workaround If a BitTorrent repo/seedbox is not permissible with that Servage account, then maybe there's still a way: metalinks with MD5 / SHA1 hashes included, and Servage URLs among other download URLs. People don't get to access the Servage repo directly, but only through metalinks that include anti-corruption info, thereby providing a layer protection against future Servage pwnage. By including several download URLS in the metalink, the download client can always get uncorrupted pieces from those alternative sources. _________________ - Remember: it's a wiki. You can contribute too!
- Puplet creators, see DistributingYourPuplet |
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Caneri
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1565 Location: Canada |
@klu9, brilliant idea. Eric _________________ Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still. Chinese Proverb |
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tombh
 Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 422 Location: Bristol, UK |
Okey Dokey, I've uploaded the proto-site to its new Hostgator home. I decided to go with Drupal 5.7 as there are some necessary modules that have not yet been ported to version 6. There is no loss of security by doing this as Drupal supports the current version and previous whole number version concurrently. Drupal 7 is planned for release in 2009. Now we can discuss the ins and outs of style and structure over at the Puppy Website: Looks, Bugs, Wishlists thread. I've made few comments there to get things going... Time to get down to business then 
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nic2109
Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 406 Location: Hayslope, near Middlemarch, Midlands, England |
Since it's still Easter in the Christian calendar I'll also say "Amen" to that suggestion. BitTorrent and/or Metalinks should be the way all our packages are presented. In this way the bandwidth requirements are shared among a much wider population. And we gain from the amazing Torrent paradox that the more popular a download is the more available it is and the quicker it comes (subject to connection speed, of course). Baseline Puppy and all Puplets need to be set up to seed as well as read so that way anyone who has D/Ld a package or an iso can share it with the rest of us. I know that some will worry about security and choose to be leeches, but they would need to take explicit "Opt out" action. I hope that the number that take that option would be small. I also recognise that those on dial-up might also want to opt-out. That's fair enough, but as they would benefit from the Torrent approach too some may choose to seed. _________________ Nick |
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Just in case anyone's wondering http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?highlight=aria2c&t=10159// http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26999&sid=ad3bac840d15ee4fc456777fe99d83f7 http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html just for starters Aitch |
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nic2109
Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 406 Location: Hayslope, near Middlemarch, Midlands, England |
See http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ but let's not wait until September 19th! _________________ Nick |
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SirDuncan
 Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 836 Location: Ohio, USA |
<pirate>
Thus preventin' them o' us in locations 'ere P2P connections be restricted (or outright banned in th' case o' me college) from enjoyin' this great distro. I think that metalinks might be a problem as well, since they be pulling from P2P networks, too, if'n I understand correctly.
Gi'en that a large percentage o' Puppy users be on dial-up or otherwise slow uploadin' connections (like Barry on satellite), I think havin' this be th' default behavior be a bad idee. If we be t' go t' a torrent based distribution system, 't would need t' seed only on request (which makes this system work less efficiently) an' nay open a P2P connection without informin' th' user. Otherwise swabbies who dasn't reckon how we be doin' things will get the'r bandwidth exceeded or they will get the'r computer banned from a shared network (like th' one on me campus). This be nay t' say that distributin' ISOs or other large packages (SFS) through torrents or metalinks be a bad idee. 't jus' needs t' be an alternative an' nay th' only way. I dasn't think that normal sized packages ortin' ta be distributed on P2P networks, on accoun' o' I think that 't would actually slow things down fer most swabbies an' may cause some swabbies issues. Be havin' ye erenoticed that wee things like songs be nay distributed that way? Bit torrent be very efficient fer large files, but nay wee ones. Thar be also th' technical challenge o' buildin' a torrent based package management system (might be a fun challenge tho). </pirate> _________________ Be brave that God may help thee, speak the truth even if it leads to death, and safeguard the helpless. - A knight's oath |
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klu9
Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 345 |
BitTorrent is P2P and is subject to blocking or throttling in some locations. Let me just say that I think it should be a well-supported option of several, not the only possibility. Metalinks can include P2P URIs, but most clients only support regular HTTP/FTP URLs. (And so far I've only ever created Metalinks containing URLs.) What might be blocked re metalinks is the P2P traffic/protocol of a p2p-containing metalink used by a p2p-enabled client, but not the HTTP/FTP traffic of the metalink. so a user can still get the file. PS Please assume all the above was said in a pirate accent
_________________ - Remember: it's a wiki. You can contribute too!
- Puplet creators, see DistributingYourPuplet |
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Oooaah me 'arties mebee kenny's post'll cum use'll arter awl http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?highlight=aria2c&t=10159// diddle it do do, diddle iddle iddle do
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Caneri
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1565 Location: Canada |
(Pirate) arrrr me bucko's and me deadlamp is atwitter..arrrr thar's a lost sea me hearties..it's the code I see that's a quizzle. Speak in the tongue of the sea horde and ye shall be heard..arrrr Best, Commodore Drake the Black Arse (English) My eyes are sore but I see a need to translate from pirate to English,arrrr Best, Eric PS.. @Nick good link this http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html _________________ Be not afraid to grow slowly, only be afraid of standing still. Chinese Proverb |
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SirDuncan
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 836 Location: Ohio, USA |
I suppose that pirate-speak may be hindering communication, but I never meant to insinuate that BitTorrent was not P2P.
I can agree with that.
That makes me feel better about metalinks (I honestly don't know much about them). Oh, right, pirate-talk . . . ummm . . . Yarr!!!! _________________ Be brave that God may help thee, speak the truth even if it leads to death, and safeguard the helpless. - A knight's oath |
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