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Test iso 19th Oct. 2005
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 00:14    Post subject:  Test iso 19th Oct. 2005  

Get it here:

http://puppy.wise-guy.us/

The site has a README file with instructions for burning to CD or DVD.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 05:45    Post subject: testing on CD/RW  

After many adventures downloading the wrong ISO (Embarassed) and installing a working CD-RW player (no DVD available) I had a go at recording on a CD-RW


First I blanked it (not required if nothing is on it)

cdrecord blank=all dev=ATAPI:/dev/hd
(where dev=ATAPI:/dev/hd is my CD/RW drive)
It warned me it would be slow (and it was - see below)
took 20-30mins

Code:
# cdrecord blank=all dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling
scsidev: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
devname: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.
Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow.
Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'.
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info    : 'IDE-CD  '
Identifikation : 'R/RW 2x2x24     '
Revision       : ' 1.4'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in real BLANK mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write    0 seconds. Operation starts



then I did this (changed the speed to x2 max of this CD/RW recorder - old one) then went quite fast - now to test it - gosh have not done a Ms test since the Alpha CD recorder . . . hope it goes OK - will be back . . .
Anyway results so far below:


Code:
# cdrecord -multi -data -eject -v speed=2 dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc puppy-multisession-19oct05.iso
cdrecord: No write mode specified.
cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode.
cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent defaults.
cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds...
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
devname: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.
Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow.
Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'.
SCSI buffer size: 64512
atapi: 1
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info    : 'IDE-CD  '
Identifikation : 'R/RW 2x2x24     '
Revision       : ' 1.4'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16
Drive buf size : 1572864 = 1536 KB
FIFO size      : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data    53 MB       
Total size:       61 MB (06:08.22) = 27617 sectors
Lout start:       62 MB (06:10/17) = 27617 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 5
  Reference speed: 2
  Is not unrestricted
  Is erasable
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11635 (97:26/65)
  ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
  1T speed low:  0 (reserved val  0) 1T speed high:  4
  2T speed low:  8 2T speed high:  0 (reserved val 10)
  power mult factor: 4 6
  recommended erase/write power: 3
  A1 values: 02 4C B0
  A2 values: 4A C8 36
Disk type:    Phase change
Manuf. index: 3
Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation
Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 332232
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in real TAO mode for multi session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write    0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:   53 of   53 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  99%]   2.0x.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 56555520/56555520 (27615 sectors).
Writing  time:  196.544s
Average write speed   1.9x.
Min drive buffer fill was 99%
Fixating...
Fixating time:  155.888s
cdrecord: fifo had 891 puts and 891 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 826 times full, min fill was 98%.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 06:20    Post subject:  

Confused

Some success Smile

I went for the "flaky" install pup001 from HDA1 (option 2 - I think that was)
That worked OK and I was booted up into my previous HD environment - so that works OK

Now the saving
it tried . . . but it then asked for a blank DVD - sorry Puppy no can do
- it was therefore unable to save do not have a blank CD or CD-RW to try. So am going back to the normal start from scratch MS - which I am just about to reboot to see if it saves . . .

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 07:48    Post subject:  

I have been testing all the experimental puppy-multisession-XXoctXX.iso

until now I could not save modifications at reboot and don't know why (I'm using a CD-R not DVD-R), please help someone !

this time I took an old script (save-session) that I was using to save sessions at any time in older Puppy versions

and did some modifications (lines 32-34) in order to get it working in Test iso 19th Oct. 2005

I could then save sessions and I'm happy again

I'm posting it here because it may be useful to old CD-R driver users with the same problem
save-session.tar.gz
Description 
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Filename  save-session.tar.gz 
Filesize  6.02 KB 
Downloaded  663 Time(s) 

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 08:35    Post subject:  

Lobster,
ok, there's still a problem with it thinking you have a dvd.
I thought that I had fixed that. oh well, back to the drawing board...
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 16:51    Post subject: growisofs <-speed> option redundant  

Barry, the growisofs -speed=X option appears to be unnecessary, at least for my DVD burner - and, I suspect, for most others. My DVD burner seems to burn the DVD at the same speed whether I put in the speed option or not.

I followed your instructions here except left out the speed option, and growisofs reported that the (Sony DRU-710A) burned the (cheap 2.4x) DVD+RW at 2.4x. It actually seemed to take less time for the whole thing than when I used the speed option, but that may be due to something you changed in the new iso.

As I write this, the newly burned multisession DVD is having ~4GB of mp3s burned as a new session by TkDVD, because that's the fastest way I have to fill it up. After the new session is added I plan to reboot and add ~400MB of mp3s to /root/Archive, and then reboot to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 17:30    Post subject:  

Okay, it said it wanted to close the disk, and seemed to do that (took about 25 minutes to fill the DVD with ~4.3GB,) but then got into an endless loop as before. I got a "screenshot" of it, but the forum says
Quote:
Sorry, but the maximum filesize for all Attachments is reached. Please contact the Board Administrator if you have questions.

I'll post the "screenshot" after this is cleared up, if you want to see it.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 19:33    Post subject:  

Okay,
I have figured out why that /root/archive folder goes missing, so have fixed that.

Have also modified rc.reboot-cd so does not close the dvd when it gets full.
-- as that seems to be the "endless loop" problem.

Lobster, I don't know why you are having a problem with the multi-CD.
I'm using a CD right now, it works fine, saves, reboots, doesn't start
thinking its a DVD.
...I'm wondering if it is something to do with using an old pup001 file.
...puppy-multisession-19oct05.iso definitely has fixed the problem, at least
for me.

I'll upload another iso file today.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 19:37    Post subject:  

Flash,
When you say it got into an "endless loop"...
After closing the DVD by filling it with zeroes, did it then ask you to
insert a new blank DVD?
...should have done.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:40    Post subject: not-logged-in-BarryK  

Flash,
Could you test something with the mini-DVD:

# dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdc

if it has multiple tracks, there will be lines with
Code:
Free Blocks: 0*2KB

and the last track will have
Code:
Free Blocks: some-number*2KB


There should also be a line:
Code:
READ CAPACITY: another-number*2048


So, perhaps the total disk capacity is
some-number + another-number
in 2K blocks.
...what values do you get for your mini-DVD?
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:47    Post subject:  

That was not-logged-in-BarryK posting above.
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:57    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:

...I'm wondering if it is something to do with using an old pup001 file.
...puppy-multisession-19oct05.iso definitely has fixed the problem, at least
for me.

I'll upload another iso file today.


Could be pup001
Quite willing to try the new upload when it arrives with HD disconnected if that would help (means I can try Burn2CD from Puppy - no working CD burner on this machine until todays test.)

The drive I am using burns most reliably at x1 speed - so it could be burning too fast . . . Confused Obviously long term I am much more interested in the burn to DVD Puppy.

In fact . . . [Lobster goes off topic as usual] . . . I am thinking of developing the Boxed-Puppy-Set

People would put together

1. A nice box
2. Puppy on CD
3. Puppy on HD
4. Puppy on USB device (perhaps camera or other surprise)
5. Floppy Boot to Puppy (for Bios with no CD)
6. Puppy Booklet

Lobster, Licensed to Linux
Have Puppy - will Penguin

- better go off and rant somewhere . . .

Look forward to new ISO
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 21:14    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
...After closing the DVD by filling it with zeroes, did it then ask you to insert a new blank DVD?
...should have done.

It said I would need to insert a new DVD after the original DVD was closed, and that it would write zeroes to fill out the original DVD before closing it. It reported its progress doing so, but then got in the endless loop, from which the only way I found to release the computer was to hold in the power button until the computer shut down, about 4 seconds.

Here's the odd thing: that DVD booted. Apparently nothing was saved to it when Puppy shut down, because none of the settings I had changed were restored. The second session containing ~4GB of mp3 files put on it by TkDVD was there, I could see the files when I mounted the DVD in MUT. Of course, the ~500MB of mp3 files I had moved to the /root/Archive folder before shutting down were nowhere to be found, presumably since they were waiting in the swap memory to be put on the second DVD when I forced the computer to shutdown. So I shut down the computer again, this time from the Start menu, without adding anything to Puppy that would need to be saved, or at least so I thought. Puppy again said the disk was full (perhaps it really had written zeroes to fill up the disk) and I would need to start a new one. This time it closed the disk fine and when I put the new disk in, it burned the new Puppy to it. I haven't tried booting it yet.

Perhaps the problem is caused by filling the DVD so nearly full (4.3GB) before trying to add more.

It takes at least 30 minutes to fill up a full-size DVD. If I could use the mini-DVDs instead, this testing would go a lot faster. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct 2005, 21:21    Post subject: Re: not-logged-in-BarryK  

BarryK wrote:
Flash,
Could you test something with the mini-DVD:

# dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdc...

Here's what that returns:
Code:
# dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdc
INQUIRY:                [SONY    ][DVD RW DRU-710A ][BYX3]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media:         13h, DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite
 Media ID:              CMCW02     
 Current Write Speed:   2.0x1385=2770KB/s
 Write Speed #0:        2.0x1385=2770KB/s
GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE:
 Write Performance:     2.0x1385=2770KB/s@[0 -> 149087]
 Speed Descriptor#0:    00/149087 R@3.5x1385=4856KB/s W@2.0x1385=2770KB/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Legacy lead-out at:    716800*2KB=1468006400
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Last border-out at:    149088*2KB=305332224
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:           complete
 Number of Sessions:    1
 State of Last Session: complete
 Number of Tracks:      1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:           complete incremental
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Free Blocks:           0*2KB
 Fixed Packet Size:     16*2KB
 Track Size:            149088*2KB
FABRICATED TOC:
 Track#1  :             14@0
 Track#AA :             14@149088
 Multi-session Info:    #1@0
READ CAPACITY:          149088*2048=305332224
#
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct 2005, 01:14    Post subject: dvd+rw-tools for Linux  

I may have found the explanation for the endless loop problem I keep having when shutting down a multisession DVD that's got more than 4GB on it, about 3/4 the way down this page; the first entry under "Technical Ramblings."

If that's the cause of the problem, the obvious quick fix, or workaround, is to have the session which passes the 32 bit address (4GB) barrier close the DVD, or at least start a new one. (Does the DVD need to be closed if it's only going to be read by Puppy?)

Put another way, the session that goes past 4GB must be the last one. Or, the last session may fill the disk, but must start below 4GB. Or, however much a session puts on the disk, if it passes 4GB it must be the last session. There, I think that's plain enough, but is it correct?

Also, about halfway down the same page, this:
Quote:
...earlier growisofs versions did not check if there is enough space on media to accommodate the data set to be burned, meaning that it was your sole responsibility to make sure "overburn" condition is not raised. As of version 5.2 growisofs performs the necessary checks for you and refuses to start recording if "overburn" condition appears to be unavoidable...

seems to imply that growisofs will know if there is enough space left on a mini-DVD to save a session.
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