Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[cb88]

puppy will require a real developer to continue i believe we have a few around

if your not a developer then the best you could ever do is some form of remaster. Note: i am mostly still at this level myself but working toward being a developer

The svn i have setup on sourceforge is not just for puppy but for the scripts ie grafburn pfind etc... it would be very helpful to have those all in one place instead of haveing to sift through the forum for new versions i don't think that the developers would even have to upload them themselves but anyone with svn access could (i'll have to add you)

note: anyone can download from svn

ttuuxxx has mentioned that T2 7.0 has problems ie broken links in the source downloading ... to fix that we could use the SVN or wait untill 8.0 is released supposedly in the late summer/fall then download all the source and host it ourselves which is ideal anyway since we could all be working from the exact same source

iirc you can just manually extract source into T2 and it will find it but im not sure about that and im not in a position to be able to check

personnally i am very pro T2 since i can't really see ever automating a gnomeslack build of puppy....but it might be possible

[dogone]

As a politician would say, "I both agree and disagree a little about a lot of what you said."

Every one of the preceding posts in this thread contains some wisdom. That's the way it works here @ Puppy. Everyone contributes something, whether they be a gardener, music teacher, engineer or couch potato. Puppy has survived by virtue of Barry's leadership and wonderfully active and open communications.

In my book, people are not "developers", they just do "developing". And anyone who contributes their time, ideas or experiences to this forum is helping to "develop" Puppy Linux. So don't start looking around for developers to save Puppy. They're already here and they are for the most part, "us" - you and me.

Puppies don't have rank, they don't wear badges or power ties. Puppies play, and they play hard. We are all here because we love the experience, the people and the OS. Puppy Linux is meant for us to enjoy and learn from and we can do that with any version. Even if there is never a version 4.2, Puppy will live on for years. We have time to reflect and time to plan.

Reading the previous posts, I'm starting to hear people talk about which aspects of the Puppy project have worked well and which have not. What are the community's strengths and what are its weaknesses? What do we want to do with Puppy? I think these are the questions we must first ask ourselves.

[ttuuxxx]

I Have often wondered if we could split puppy into 2 distros, That it could actually be smaller and work better.
With T2 if that stays the norm, we should be able to compile all base packages at one including the kernel, Thats how its done now with the latest version that I'm working on. With some adjustments we could have a Smaller Xvesa model and a larger Xorg model, The Xvesa model could be for really older computers and hardware support, i386,i486 and the newer one i586,i686.
Another thing that has always given puppy a black-eye is logins, So many post on the forum about being root 100% of the time. I don't have any problem with being in root, actually it would be one extra step every time I boot up puppy that I don't have to do now. But for the users to feel secure would be nice, Also it would make a puppy server much more secure.
We have had attempts in the past at building servers, Maybe that could be part of puppy's future also, If we get the login/permissions implemented and if the team is large enough, It would only seam natural to also build a server edition. That would be a developer intensive release. Maybe post on the main homepage "Looking For Developers" I've seen other distro's doing this, actually arch Linux has a post on the homepage for developers. Not for this sort project.
These are just Ideas I'm tossing around.
ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

[ttuuxxx]

[Auda]

Way back when, I used to loging here every day and read what was happening, not any more its all rush rush to get the next version out bugs and all.
Puppy 109ce was great I still use and install it on mates mates computers. To be honest I havent tried 2.15ce but most of the other versions have seemed to be unfinished and buggy many little things like not samba printing and cut and paste either not working or not well.
Hopefuly without Barry in the lead things will change and puppy can be seen as a stable distro that "just works" rather than, just about works.
Auda

[puppyluvr]

Hello,

@Ttuuxxx, I agree completely.. 215ce is a shining example of a community effort, doing the best with what was available. I cant wait for the 3.xxCE.....

To the point at hand...My question is...Who runs puppy now??? In almost a year here, Ive never seen Barry say "No, you cant do that, do it My WAY.." Barry wasnt a "ruler" he was/is a developer. He will continue to develop, no-one that brilliant just stops....
Puppy is a community, and should be governed as such...

If Barry had said, instead, "Im taking an extended vacation, but Ill be back", would it have created so much drama, NO.. The finality of "retire" sent everyone off. If we thought we had to come up with an "Interim" management system, rather than a permanent one, I believe we would have pulled toghther, not divided.

Puppy doesnt have to change at all. We may not have a developer of Barrys status, IDK, but if we Pull Together, not Apart, we can manage. And its not like Barry is dying, he`ll still be around. For Gods sake people, a great man has given us a great task, to pull together and carry on with his "Baby", the best damn distro around. That speaks of a lot of trust. Will we let him down???

Im no developer, (Duh) but Ill do whatever I can..And, I will learn. I am devoted to Puppy, So are Many others. I dont think Barry intended Puppy to be the "End All" Linux.
( Ironically, I believe the innovations Barry buitl in to Puppy may make it that anyhow!!)

We shouldnt be trying to guess what Puppy will be, We should continue to develop what Puppy is, to refine it, to fix all the things mentioned in this thread. The future will be there when we are ready. WE have Puppy now, Puppy is what it is, and what we make of it.
Puppy can, and will, go many different ways. Nothing new. I trust the "community" with the "official releases". The new kernels will come, lets make the most of the ones we heve first, and move on at a reasonable pace, to allow getting the most from what we have. I thought 3.01 had a long life ahead of it, but.....

Oh yea, SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on all those who made our forum negative....
I hope John deletes the whole thread.....makes Puppy look bad.

Solidarity, thats the answer...
United we stand, Divided we suck....
But what do I know...........

[ttuuxxx]

[disciple]

[technosaurus]

Coding/developing - One of the main issues that will have to be dealt with is code documentation which is written in BarryK - don't get me wrong, its all good code but the documentation was not intuitive to understand - it took me hours to partially understand the initrd coding- I learned a lot but afterwards I kept hearing the puppy login bark in my head - woof- woof There it goes again

packages - slackware compatibility was mentioned earlier but it could be any distro really as long as there are sufficient packages, maybe just use T2 and pacman, entropy or some other package manager that can compile from T2 (or whatever distro) source if a package is not available from puppy repos
also .pup, .pet or .sfs? or go to tgz, deb, rpm...? also kind of important that we choose a standard - preferably one that is easy to maintain so that we can increase our package selection to be somewhat competitive

direction - use the forum - ideas/suggestions and polls to achieve user input similar to brainstorm.ubuntu.com - granted we will still need capable developers to implement them but I know we have a lot of talent out there

More revenue streams (in addition to those previously mentioned) similar to damnsmalllinux.org, but use eeepc, ebox and DecTop systems (available from wdlsystems and dataevolution respectively) - both work with puppy, there is an eeepc and ebox version already and I will donate one of my spare DecTops to a developer who can make a DecTop optimized version compiled with gcc 4.3 (for geode optimization) and including the geode xorg driver, ltmodem, rtl8150, cs5535 etc... I tried - no luck so far

Developer rewards by forum nomination poll or as percentage of donation

more puppy versions for distro hoppers - more interest=more site visits = more potential revenue
<50MB(biz-card CD), <96MB(128MB flash), <192MB(256MB flash or mini-CD), <300MB (biz-card DVD), 700MB(CD), 4GB(DVD = all versions + puplets multiboot) - I won't delve into the opera-seamonkey-firefox debate etc.., but more release announcements typically brings more interest - release versions every 2 weeks = 12 weeks continuous on the distrowatch charts - 36 weeks if you have a free(seamonkey+gnash,486), non-free(opera+flash,586/geode) and firefox(686) version - released in order of size (basically just add packages) for easier development - add 3 alphas, 3 betas and 3 rc1 and 3 rc2 and you basically have a 1yr release schedule between major version changes

version the forums so that people discussing puppy 2, 3, 4 and later versions don't get confused by inapplicable info

wiki documentation team - great volunteer project for many puppy users that want to contribute

puppy promo team - to irritate Bob Barker and spread puppies everywhere - no spaying or neutering here

website maintenance - there are several puppy sites - many old ones that are no longer maintained or nonexistant and many dead links - we definitely need a lead maintainer and possibly a team of volunteer helpers

lead developer? or head developers? it would be an easier transition if someone who understood all of the puppy inner workings could take the lead since versioning could be tracked on their system - multiple contributing developers (more likely?) would require a tracking system - something to think about anyways if sticking with T2

[puppyluvr]

technosaurus,

@ Wow, where have you been hiding.???

[technosaurus]

[Béèm]

I have been away for some 8 weeks.
Where does the idea come from that Barry Kauler is stepping down/stopping with Puppy?
Any reference/link?

[alienjeff]

@Béèm

You mean to say you don't read Barry's blog?

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00269

[Bert]

@ Béèm:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00269