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HairyWill

Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2946 Location: Southampton, UK
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 11:40 Post subject:
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it is good to talk
What does voting mean?
What is your criteria for being allowed to vote?
This forum has over 10,000 members with probably only a few hundred active. If you use forum membership as the voting mechanism then ballots can easily be stuffed. This then destroys the aim of what it was you were trying to achieve in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for democracy, but if we are going to do it then shouldn't we ensure that the process cannot be hijacked.
I would be in favour of electing a small committee (no more than 20 members) on an annual basis and allowing them to make all but major decisions.
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ttuuxxx

Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 11193 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 11:59 Post subject:
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mysticmarks wrote: | Although i agree with ttuuxxx about the definative vote being a core group decision, i also believe that the community should voice a response.
Here's a thought. Initially the core gathers the choicest options, then a community poll is run for a given time, say 1 week. After that the core development group privately polls based on the top 2 or 3 off of that list for the final decision.
Simple community involved but ultimately still allowing the most pertinent reasoning and logic to be used.
Community picks a few from a bunch(if there even is a bunch to do that particular task), then the core group singles out our new star.
2 polls, 1 reasonable solution in the end.
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I'm with it as long as every one else is
ttuuxxx
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tronkel

Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1120 Location: Vienna Austria
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 12:10 Post subject:
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All this discussion about voting worries me. Why vote at all?
In the past, one person, i.e. Barry made all the decisions. These decisions were never questioned because they were always viewed by the community as being correct anyway. I'm talking about base versions here. CEs and revamps are maybe a different story.
There is no avoiding the fact that Barry's stepping-down has left a major hole in the way the Puppy project operates. Building any OS is no task for any "almost" qualified people - even if they are excellent developers per se.
What the Puppy project needs, is someone to whom all major decisions about what the OS build consists of, can be left. This would be the same guy who also does the innovation, the programming and the building. He would be described as Mr Puppy - the buck stops with him. Forget committees and voting.
Where this chief builder of Puppy can be found is not yet clear. Hopefully he can be found somewhere somehow.
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ttuuxxx

Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 11193 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 12:29 Post subject:
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tronkel wrote: | All this discussion about voting worries me. Why vote at all?
In the past, one person, i.e. Barry made all the decisions. These decisions were never questioned because they were always viewed by the community as being correct anyway. I'm talking about base versions here. CEs and revamps are maybe a different story.
There is no avoiding the fact that Barry's stepping-down has left a major hole in the way the Puppy project operates. Building any OS is no task for any "almost" qualified people - even if they are excellent developers per se.
What the Puppy project needs, is someone to whom all major decisions about what the OS build consists of, can be left. This would be the same guy who also does the innovation, the programming and the building. He would be described as Mr Puppy - the buck stops with him. Forget committees and voting.
Where this chief builder of Puppy can be found is not yet clear. Hopefully he can be found somewhere somehow. |
Hi tronkel
The problem in the past with Barry for myself was, icons, but 4.0 did improve a lot with the overall look. But the 16x16 icons still need to be changed.
Jwm was never changed,
Seamonkey during Firefox's 2&3&4 series, was just wrong, Firefox was more secure, faster, but didn't have the small email or small web development. as Seamonkey did. Seamonkey has never been the main choice of Linux users, It always been Firefox, But Barry had the voice and only went with opera once because it had email, But if we had a voice at the time, Firefox would of been the main choice by everybody.
If we had another dictator it would be the same. We need a voice and for once and I hope we don't pick firefox 3.0 series, That just doesn't work right in puppy.
But 2.17 does:)
ttuuxxx
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playdayz

Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 3794
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 13:56 Post subject:
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Would this be a possible middle ground between those who favor a big brother distro and those who favor compiling puppy ourselves. How about putting some energy into making puppy easy to compile for? Then, it seems to me, we would have the advantages of both sides, good availability of programs and programs built for our OS.
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polymath
Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 119
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 14:48 Post subject:
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it is good to talk
What does voting mean?
What is your criteria for being allowed to vote?
This forum has over 10,000 members with probably only a few hundred active. If you use forum membership as the voting mechanism then ballots can easily be stuffed. This then destroys the aim of what it was you were trying to achieve in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for democracy, but if we are going to do it then shouldn't we ensure that the process cannot be hijacked.
I would be in favour of electing a small committee (no more than 20 members) on an annual basis and allowing them to make all but major decisions.
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Seconded.
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cb88

Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1169 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 15:46 Post subject:
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ahem..... if someone would download the latest T2 from svn and download the entire package cache and .bzip2 it i would like to have a go at compiling a base
I'm not sure i can do it but its worth the try
also the files that whoever uploads the source in should be 1 gb each or smaller
is there a way to write a script to mv dirs in to a new dir untill that dir has X mb in it? then .bzip2 it? that would be real handy
im just throwing it out there.... i have the CPU time but internet access is a real pain for me io can download large files but linux and svn are pretty much a no go here at school
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Caneri
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1569 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 16:01 Post subject:
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Hi cb88,
Post to me the url and I'll try to put them on the Florida server.
A pm or email would be best but here is fine...how many files? and how do you need to access them?
Best,
Eric
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ttuuxxx

Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 11193 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:19 Post subject:
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Caneri wrote: | Hi cb88,
Post to me the url and I'll try to put them on the Florida server.
A pm or email would be best but here is fine...how many files? and how do you need to access them?
Best,
Eric |
ok maybe not, ran our of memory,lol
thats what i get for running live,
ttuuxxx
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bugman

Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:23 Post subject:
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i may have to do my own puppy
name it after one of those prehistoric dogs, possibly 'dire wolf'
for antique computers, like the ones i have in my basement that i cannot find keyboards for anymore
you people are leaving all of us trash collectors behind...
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ttuuxxx

Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 11193 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:31 Post subject:
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bugman wrote: | i may have to do my own puppy
name it after one of those prehistoric dogs, possibly 'dire wolf'
for antique computers, like the ones i have in my basement that i cannot find keyboards for anymore
you people are leaving all of us trash collectors behind... |
The best place to find those old din keyboards are at pawn brokers, the ones in Australia have just about every model of keyboards. The best part they are really cheap.
ttuuxxx
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bugman

Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 20:57 Post subject:
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the pawnbrokers of eastern montana are under the impression that they deposit gold in their toilets
in other words, no bargains [unless you're selling]
additionally, the local pawnbroker is very computer-shy, and the thrift shop refuses to take them at all
i need a car...
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muggins
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 6747 Location: hobart
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Posted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:31 Post subject:
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Bugman driving a car! Absolute heresy...Bugman flying an autogyro...that's what I imagine.
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It's Superbugman! |
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cb88

Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1169 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 09:35 Post subject:
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@bugman how is making it possible to optimise a custom version of puppy for your exact CPU leaveing you behind?
if you have a 486 there not much helping ya but say a PII would benefit greatly or even a plain pentium could benefit
how many people are using 486 hardware anyway the ebox users and who else?
also bugman you could put a sign in your yard ... wanted semi dead zombie 'puters
@caneri and ttuuxxx were you guys trying to download the T2 source cache in ram ROFL just the base for puppy is 1GB+ the WHOLE thing is multigb i imagine
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Caneri
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 1569 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 09:43 Post subject:
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Hi cb88,
Nope...I just was asking if I could help...just waiting for your recommendation.
eric
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