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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 07:25    Post_subject:  

recycler,
I will focus on the DVD saving issues first (will buy rewritable DVDs today), so just some hints about your problems.
You could try 2 things.

In a consolewindow type:
Quote:
update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
update-desktop-database


but I think this might not solve it.
Next, create a backup of /usr/share/mime from the Live-CD.
With xarchive, Muppy-filer (Button "zip"), or XFE (right-click - add to archive).
Extract in in your running DVD-edition.

If that does not work yet, run again:
Quote:
update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
update-desktop-database


Please let me know, how far that fixes your issues.

To assign custom actions, you can use PCManFm with right-clicking a file, or the MIME-Editor available as Icon in the Muppypanel (or from the menu).

If that does not solve it, I must look myself in detail.
I will upload a 0084.d in october, it basically just will include the servicepacks and OpenOffice 3 final.
I also will integrate fixes that we can work out, like the wrong MIME types in the DVD edition.
Thanks for your engaged testiing, this really helps to create a more polished release Smile

The songbird issue might be related, but I am not certain.
Maybe it just does not know what program to use to play the music due to the broken mime-types.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 07:42    Post_subject: Re: Wireless wit Muppy  

zgp152 wrote:
My wish list #1 for Muppy: revised wireless wizard. Improvement are on the way, work of Dougal. When a stabilized new wizard version exists, hope it could be integrated in Muppy and released also as a patch.

I can't say whether it is the kernel or my Broadcom 4311 circuit that is the trouble. Once I got a connection but the next time no way! Now I must work with cable.


Have you tried out the current wireless wizard from Dougal?
I am not certain, how compatible it is with Muppy, because he seems to focus on Puppy 4.
Adding the wizard will need several tests, that I can not run here at home due to missing Hardware.
I just have cable here.
So I must wait until october, when I travel to northern german again.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 10:19    Post_subject:  

Awesome release.

Thank you.

the improved network wizard would be nice. But I can try to add that myself.. (yikes)

The only issues I really had was a need to 're-install???' java and flash to opera.

It works great on my laptop.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 10:52    Post_subject: Re: Wireless wit Muppy  

MU wrote:
zgp152 wrote:
My wish list #1 for Muppy: revised wireless wizard. Improvement are on the way, work of Dougal. When a stabilized new wizard version exists, hope it could be integrated in Muppy and released also as a patch.

I can't say whether it is the kernel or my Broadcom 4311 circuit that is the trouble. Once I got a connection but the next time no way! Now I must work with cable.


Have you tried out the current wireless wizard from Dougal?
I am not certain, how compatible it is with Muppy, because he seems to focus on Puppy 4.
Adding the wizard will need several tests, that I can not run here at home due to missing Hardware.
I just have cable here.
So I must wait until october, when I travel to northern german again.
Mark


Hey mark
You only have cable??? most places in the world which have cable has really high uploads. 200kb/sec+
But if its slow in your area, just tell me which version you want me download and what patch you want me to apply and I'll do it.
The max I can download is 25gigs a month.
always happy to help out
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 11:09    Post_subject:  

TV cable, it is pretty fast (16 Mbit download), most servers just allow 1 Mbit downloads.
Uploads go with 118 kb/s, so 800 MB need around 2 hours..
But that is no technical issue, but set by the provider as far as I know.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:35    Post_subject: DVD mime type issue
Sub_title: solved
 

MU wrote:
recycler,

In a consolewindow type:
update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
update-desktop-database



Thanks Mark, those two lines restored my DVD version to the required state.

Now clicking on 'files' and clicking on a pet file starts up the installer dialogue - successfully installed Picassa. And clicking on a text file brings up the text editor - icons recognised etc. I didn't try the mime file from DVD since your first suggestion worked. I did go back to songbird afterwards and it behaved the same way as before; that is to say, loaded up correctly, scanned some music folders (mp3s), built a library - I double click on a track - it goes to play it, but gives up (thinking can't play file - 'error' flashes up briefly) and flicks through all the tracks in the library trying one after another but the total track time stays on 0:00 and it never starts playing.

Amarak on the other hand is just fine! Pleased the feedback helps Smile BTW the above took place on a third frugal install of the DVD version (checksum on downloaded file ok) which had the same issues initially with mime types (although the menu.1st on another partition DID open ok with leafpad but going to tmp (from 'files' and trying to open NEWGRUBTEXT failed)[/img]
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 13:51    Post_subject:  

tlchost wrote:
MU wrote:

this reminds me of an issue with the DVD-edition.


I still have the problem that the DVD edition, burned to a DVD+RW never will work....it complains that it can't to the sfs file.


I ran *many* tests now with DVD+RWs.
With DVD-edition, Live and Mini.
Using a Philips DVD1660P1 DVD writer.
With and without swap.
With additional harddisks attached and without.

I was not able to reproduce the problem.
At moment I only could guess, that there is a driver issue, or an issue, that the DVD or the drive has (optical) errors.
Or we simply oversee a third issue. Rolling Eyes

-------------------------------------------------
I however encountered another issue, but I think this might not be related.
My computer has 1 Gigabyte Ram.
I created the DVD+RWs using new ones, that never were used before.
I burned the Isos with Pburn 2.0.3 in Muppy as multisession.

- The DVD-Edition booted fine with "puppy pfix=ram".
I however could not save the session to the DVD, as the DVD could not be unmounted.
This is logic: msy_084.sfs is 2 gigabyte, so it cannot be loaded to ram, so it is mounted directly from DVD.

- the Mini was booted with "puppy pfix=ram".
I could save the session to DVD at shutdown.
At restart, I entered no bootoptions, and it picked up the session from DVD as expected.

- Live acted as Mini.
But I wondered, that the free space was shown with 450 MB.
A check with freememapplet confirmed this with 440 MB.
This cannot be, as 1 gigabyte - 800 MB (msy_084.sfs) is just 200 MB.

I then copied a large file (100 MB) to /root/, and the computer freezed.
Using a swap of 256 MB, I could copy two 100 MB files to /root/, but with the third, it also freezed.

I then could reproduce, that the same issue happens, if I boot the Live as frugal installation.
Note: this freeze only happens, if you have NO savefile!

"free" shows this memory usage:
Code:
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1035656       910068       125588            0        27204
 Swap:       265032       263872         1160
Total:      1300688      1173940       126748
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1035656       993828        41828            0        28220
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:      1035656       993828        41828
# df -m
Filesystem           1M-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
tmpfs                      635        29       606   5% /initrd/pup_rw
tmpfs                      762       762         0 100% /initrd/mnt/tmpfs
/dev/loop0                 761       761         0 100% /initrd/pup_ro2
unionfs                    635        29       606   5% /
tmpfs                      506         3       503   1% /dev
#


The first "free" was made with swap, the second without swap.

The results indicate, that the method to determine the free space does not work correct without a savefile.
On a computer with 1 gigabyte of Ram, the Live uses almost all memory, so there is not much left to store any files.
Using swap, increases the free memory to save files by the size of the swap.

So the freememapplet and the free display in Muppypanel must be patched, to take care of these issues.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 14:15    Post_subject:  

recycler

many thanks for your report Very Happy

I checked it on my own again in the DVD-edition, and can confirm, that only:
update-desktop-database
is required, to get working mimetypes.

I will add this command to the startup-files in the next release.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 22:58    Post_subject:  

I'm using the full install to hard drive(800 mb version) although not recommended.

Updated network wizard to newest version without a hitch and my wireless is working perfectly.

Nvidia drivers and 1680x1050 x24 support out of the box is awesome!

I've only just begun to explore the software selection and it is impressive to say the least.

This may very well be the ultimate distro(for me) from what I'm seeing so far.

Terrific stuff and thankyou.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Sep 2008, 23:23    Post_subject:  

hayagix

Quote:
Updated network wizard to newest version without a hitch and my wireless is working perfectly.


Thanks, this will be very helpfull for some people!
Here is the link to get the network-wizard:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31522

Here is a PET of the current version:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=235141#235141

So I'll give it a go for the next release.
I also will look in Puppy 4.1rc1-retro, if it contains some more kernelmodules than Muppy, so I might incorporate those, too.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Sep 2008, 05:43    Post_subject:  

hayagix wrote:

Updated network wizard to newest version without a hitch and my wireless is working perfectly.
...


This positive message tells that the driver can be installed to Muppy. Nice.

Could you pls report further for instance to wireless thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31522 what was your interface driver and whether you used encryption, WEP or WPA, and did the wizard store and recall your profile, with encryption key, MAC address etc.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Sep 2008, 16:04    Post_subject: MUT locks up, can't be closed, killed or reopened, shuts X
Sub_title: A multisession ISO burned to CDRW with Pburn 2.03 disables MUT, closes X
 

Have just quick erased a CDRW with TkDVD, then burned the Fat Free 2.16 ISO with Pburn. The burn seems to have completed properly, but I got no verification option.

The disk was automatically ejected, and I reinserted it to look at the files.

Then, when I tried to eject it,
MUT showed the device as unmounted (yet I could view the contents), but failed to respond to clicking the "eject" button

the desktop device icon gave the following response

Quote:
Eject '/mnt/dvd'
umount: cannot umount /dev/dvd: Invalid argument
eject: unmount of `/dev/dvd' failed
eject failed

Done
There was one error.



and the "eject" button on the popup when closing the device, also failed to work.

It was only after I clicked on the "unmount" button in the close device popup, that the disk finally ejected.

I then tried to run the LiveCD on another machine, but Wakepup couldn't find it, although several other Puppy LiveCDs have booted fine on this machine a dozen times in the last 24 hours.

I came back to the PC with Muppy and reinserted the CD to have another look at it. On my first look, I'd just glanced at the file icons, and hadn't actually looked at the properties of the Puppy 2.16 Fat Free files.

Now, when I re-inserted this same CDR, things get even weirder:

1. The MUT window was still open from my previous activity, and when the disk was inserted, the only option it showd for the burner was "close", but clicking on it did nothing.

2. I couldn't shut down MUT using the "X" tab

3.when I tried to mount the CDRW by clicking on the burner desktop icon, the popup reads:

Quote:
Mounting /mnt/dvd


and hangs

4. now the MUT window has gone completely blank -

5. I tried closing it from the taskbar, but this only closed the device icon popup. The taskbar shows no tab for MUT

6. I then minimized the MUT window, and it was reduced to an icon on the taskbar

7. when I restore it, it's still blanked out, an still can't be closed


8. I then tried reopening MUT from its desktop icon, and it showed the green popup for a second, then shut down.

NB: just now, some ten minutes or more after I clicked on its icon, MUT finally opened a second instance it showed it's normal window for a second, then closed, leaving a tab on the taskbar and the blank MUT window on the desktop.

The taskbar tab only offers to close MUT, not to kill it. And the close tab doesn't work. So MUT remains disabled.

9. I restarted X, with the CDRW still in the burner, and the blank MUT window and its taskbar icon were gone.

10. tried reopening MUT, and the green opening popup flashed, but no window opened.

I tried mounting the CDRW with the DVD icon, but it hung the same as before.

11. I tried "eject" and that failed too

12. I pushed the drive's eject button and that worked, then MUT immediately opened four windows, and the CDRW appared in ROX (but still showed as "unmounted" in MUT)

13. I closed the ROX window, and chose the "unmount" button

14. I then clicked on "mount" in MUT, and MUT finally showed the contents of the CDRW

15. I then tried to umount the CDRW in MUT, and first the MUT window went blank again, and immediately afterward, X closed, losing everything I'd been entering here.

16. I did get a chance to look at the properties of the Puppy files on the CDRW, and couldn't find any obvious problems in terms of byte counts.

17. Have now established that there IS something wrong with the FF 216 ISO burned by Pburn 2.0.3:

When I tried to boot it on my main desktop, I got the following error message:

Quote:
Loading Initrd.gz isolinux disk error 01, AX=4200, drive 82
boot failed


I also established the the initial test machine can load Puppy from multisession written LiveCDs.

So my guess is that MUT's malfunction is definitely related to the files on the CDRW.

18. have no accessed the same CDRW unchanged with both Pmount and the burner icon, and both ways it mounted properly. There was no problem in unmounting it. Nothing hung, and nothing refused to close. So whatever the problem is with the way the disk was burned by Pburn 2.0.3, Pmount seems to be immune to it.

19. Finally, I tried opening the CDRW with MuppyQuickmountCD under Puppy 4.0, and had no problem there either...

I saved the Pburn burn log, but it turns out to be empty! Happily, I copied and pasted the text from the burn window, as with the erase window in TkDVD:

TkDVD CDRW quick erase

Quote:
cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/dvd

cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.21.7
cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
scsidev: '/dev/dvd'
devname: '/dev/dvd'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a23 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2006 Jörg Schilling
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities :
Vendor_info : 'HL-DT-ST'
Identifikation : 'DVDRAM GSA-4081B'
Revision : 'A100'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10 in real BLANK mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 9 seconds. 8 seconds. 7 seconds. 6 seconds. 5 seconds. 4 seconds. 3 seconds. 2 seconds. 1 seconds. 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Writing finished


Pburn ms ISO burn

Quote:
cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.21.7
cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
scsidev: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
devname: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: dev=ATA: is preferred over dev=ATAPI:.
Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.
Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow.
SCSI buffer size: 64512
Track 01: data 55 MB
Total size: 63 MB (06:16.2Cool = 28221 sectors
Lout start: 63 MB (06:18/21) = 28221 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 3
Reference speed: 6
Disk Is not unrestricted
Disk Is erasable
Disk sub type: High speed Rewritable (CAV) media (1)
ATIP start of lead in: -11745 (97:25/30)
ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73)
1T speed low: 4 1T speed high: 10
2T speed low: 4 2T speed high: 0 (reserved val 6)
power mult factor: 1 5
recommended erase/write power: 5
A1 values: 24 1A D8
A2 values: 26 B2 4A
Disk type: Phase change
Manuf. index: 40
Manufacturer: INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd.

Capacity Blklen/Sparesz. Type
0 2048 No Media Present or Unknown Capacity
Blocks total: 359848 Blocks current: 359848 Blocks remaining: 331627
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10 in real TAO mode for multi session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 9 seconds. 8 seconds. 7 seconds. 6 seconds. 5 seconds. 4 seconds. 3 seconds. 2 seconds. 1 seconds. 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
BURN-Free is ON.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0

Track 01: 0 of 55 MB written.
Track 01: 1 of 55 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 100%] 0.7x.
....
Track 01: 55 of 55 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 10.1x.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 57792512/57792512 (28219 sectors).
Writing time: 49.548s
Average write speed 7.6x.
Min drive buffer fill was 98%
Fixating...
Fixating time: 35.861s
cdrecord: fifo had 911 puts and 911 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 833 times full, min fill was 90%.




I suggest Muppy users upgrade to Pburn 2.0.9, where CDRW support has improved significantly, at least for DATA writing (I haven't tried to burn an ISO with it yet - maybe I"ll do that next...)

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Sep 2008, 17:38    Post_subject:  

otropogo

thanks for the suggestion.
Pburn is one of the programs with highest "update priority".
So 0084D will contain the newesst version.

general
Recently, I try to build a new version using the retro kernel from Puppy 409. 409 contains more wifi drivers.

I was able to build a Mini with all drivers included using a new vmlinuz, initrd.gz and some patches.
I later must try, to create a new zdrv_084.sfs from this version.

But before I do that, I will try to get Kernel 2.6.25.16 also to work.

This also will include the new network wizard.
Unfortunately, that one is a fork of the old wizard, that does not contain my localization patches.
So the localization must be added again Confused

It will take some days to get all this working.

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Sep 2008, 17:53    Post_subject:  

MU wrote:
otropogo

thanks for the suggestion.


Mark


You're welcome.

BTW I was editing my post one more time while you posted this comment. Suggest you review it again, particularly points #17 to 19

PS. Have now fast blanked (don't use complete blank until Zigbert has fixed it) the same CDRW with Pburn 2.0.9 and then reburned the Fat Free 2.16 Dillo ISO with Pburn 2.0.9.

I didn't notice anything different during the burn. IIRC, it actually ran faster than the defective burn of 2.0.3. But this one boots up fine. In fact I'm typing this post edit in Dillo using FF 2.16 (the post window is VERY small, and quotes and underlines, etc. don't work.)

Here's the log of the successful burn with Pburn 2.0.9 under Puppy 4.0:


###################################################
COMMAND:
###################################################

wodim -multi -tao -v dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree "/mnt/hda3/AllPups/fatFree301_216/fat-free-2.16-dillo.iso"

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OUTPUT:
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scsidev: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
devname: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
WARNING: the ATAPI: method is considered deprecated on modern kernels!
Mapping device specification to ATA: method now.
To force the old ATAPI: method, replace ATAPI: with OLDATAPI:
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Wodim version: 1.1.6
SCSI buffer size: 64512
Beginning DMA speed test. Set CDR_NODMATEST environment variable if device
communication breaks or freezes immediately after that.
TOC Type: 3 = CD-ROM XA mode 2
Driveropts: 'burnfree'
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities :
Vendor_info : 'HL-DT-ST'
Identification : 'DVDRAM GSA-4081B'
Revision : 'A100'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
Current: 0x000A (CD-RW)
Profile: 0x0012 (DVD-RAM)
Profile: 0x0011 (DVD-R sequential recording)
Profile: 0x0014 (DVD-RW sequential recording)
Profile: 0x0013 (DVD-RW restricted overwrite)
Profile: 0x001A (DVD+RW)
Profile: 0x001B (DVD+R)
Profile: 0x0010 (DVD-ROM)
Profile: 0x0009 (CD-R)
Profile: 0x000A (CD-RW) (current)
Profile: 0x0008 (CD-ROM)
Profile: 0x0002 (Removable disk)
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
Drive buf size : 1204224 = 1176 KB
Drive DMA Speed: 11027 kB/s 62x CD 7x DVD
FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Speed set to 1764 KB/s
Track 01: data 55 MB
Total size: 63 MB (06:16.2Cool = 28221 sectors
Lout start: 63 MB (06:18/21) = 28221 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 3
Reference speed: 6
Is not unrestricted
Is erasable
Disk sub type: High speed Rewritable (CAV) media (1)
ATIP start of lead in: -11745 (97:25/30)
ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73)
1T speed low: 4 1T speed high: 10
2T speed low: 4 2T speed high: 0 (reserved val 6)
power mult factor: 1 5
recommended erase/write power: 5
A1 values: 24 1A D8
A2 values: 26 B2 4A
Disk type: Phase change
Manuf. index: 40
Manufacturer: INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd.
Blocks total: 359848 Blocks current: 359848 Blocks remaining: 331627
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for multi session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 4 seconds. 3 seconds. 2 seconds. 1 seconds. 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0

Track 01: 0 of 55 MB written.
Track 01: 1 of 55 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 100%] 0.8x.
...
Track 01: 55 of 55 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 10.1x.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 57792512/57792512 (28219 sectors).
Writing time: 49.153s
Average write speed 7.7x.
Min drive buffer fill was 99%
Fixating...
Fixating time: 36.752s
wodim: fifo had 911 puts and 911 gets.
wodim: fifo was 0 times empty and 834 times full, min fill was 92%.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Sep 2008, 11:48    Post_subject:  

otropogo

thanks for reporting your success!

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general

I also made progress, see the attached screenshot Very Happy

Now I must find out, why no network modules are loaded, and why german umlaute are not visible at startup.

Mark
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