what makes Puppy special?

[jackketch]

hi people

I'm wondering if anyone knows the answer to this.

I recently built a new computer blah blah etc.

Tried installing Winxp,2k,Fedora, Vector,Blag and several other OS's.

Either they didn't install or just bsod/died horribly. Or they installed but wouldn't run (ie after 2 seconds the GUI freezes solid).

Also the same happened to all the live linux cd's i tried (overclokix, knoppix , biopsy's live fedora etc). Either they wouldn't boot or the GUI froze on impact.

BUT NOT PUPPY!

Puppy runs like a dream and rock solid...

unless i try and scan the PCI or install certain dotpups , then (if i use the start menu) it freezes too.

Could someone please tell me what is sooooo different about Puppy? Why it runs when nothing else seems too?

I have tested just about everything going on my new computer and still can't find the problem so this is a last ditch attempt to find out what is wrong.

Thanks in advance .

[nate]

Possibly, it might be because Barry built Puppy from scratch, while the other distros have redundant code and bloat, contributed by different people.

[rarsa]

I think it's because it loads less drivers.

My guess is that you have a hardware problem. Maybe on the Mother board or memory.

[Jesse]

Check that all the PCI cards are firmly seated, unplug them all then plug back in. Also check all your cable connectors as well. I once had a problem like that but didn't have puppy at the time.
Sometimes modern hardware is a bit odd, if theres a bit of dust or plastic stuck wedged in somewhere preventing one or two electrical connectors from working 100%. Wiggle them around a bit too.
Hope that helps
Jesse

[jackketch]

I think it's because it loads less drivers.

My guess is that you have a hardware problem. Maybe on the Mother board or memory.

was my first guess too....2 weeks ago! since then everything has been tested to destruction.

[jackketch]

Check that all the PCI cards are firmly seated, unplug them all then plug back in. Also check all your cable connectors as well. I once had a problem like that but didn't have puppy at the time.
Sometimes modern hardware is a bit odd, if theres a bit of dust or plastic stuck wedged in somewhere preventing one or two electrical connectors from working 100%. Wiggle them around a bit too.
Hope that helps
Jesse

not really but thanks anyway. i appreciate any answer, really.
trust me. i'm not a n00b at this kinda thing. but i don't know puppy well enough to hazard a guess why it runs and other minimals don't.

[Ian]

When you say "tested to destruction" do you mean that you have tested the hardware in other machines or tested it with test equipment.

Is your power supply large enough.

What are the specs of your machine.

Have you tried other hardware with your mo/bo.

Do you get any beep code messages.

[jackketch]

When you say "tested to destruction" do you mean that you have tested the hardware in other machines or tested it with test equipment.

Is your power supply large enough.

What are the specs of your machine.

Have you tried other hardware with your mo/bo.

Do you get any beep code messages.

LOL! i would kill to get a beep code message. that would be bliss.!

Its midnight here in the UK and i'm too tired to list all the tests/things i've done over the last two weeks. i tend to be anal in these things. for example i don't just check with one memtest prog but 4 at the last count, with the stixs in various combinations etc etc. i don't just try one pci card but 10..same for nics, agp etc etc (i'm a serial dumpster diver). i have consulted with experts whose knowledge far outstrips mine in these matters. i have probably seriously ruined my eyesight by going over the mobo hunting for bad caps etc.

while i am grateful for all and any answers ( i mean it ), asking me if i have seated my pci's properly or have a large enough power supply is not going to help me much, i'm afraid.

I simply want to know if there is a logical reason why Puppy should run when none of the other linux's (live, minmal and installed) do. What is different about Puppy?

ps. my personal thanks to the guy who created Puppy (if he reads these boards) without this distro i would have been royally f****ed the last fortnight. if it were up to me then i would simply continue using it and forget about XP (however the kids need windows for school )

[MU]

There are several things.
like it was said before, Puppy uses not so many drivers and quite conservative settings. This allows to run with lots of hardware, if you want to optimize, you must do that manually (for example install x.org for higher resolutions or high refreshrates).
I remember from my german board, newer Versions of Knoppix cannot boot on some machines, unless you add a acpi=no -option or something like this.

Knoppix tries to find out the "best", "modern" settings, different to puppy, but this is not always working (to be fair: also Puppy refuses to work with some grafics-chips if they do not support Vesa) .

Puppy uses kdrive, a minimalistic X using the very old Vesa-Standard. Other distros try to autodetect optimal drivers. That might work for the graficschip the autodetection was designed for.
But when a newer chip has new specifications, but identifies itself as the old one (for Windows-"compatibility" for example), this might mislead the autodetection.

This are just 2 examples.
There are several other potential conflicts. To find out more, you would have to google for the hardware and the keyword "linux" for example. Sometimes this shows already on the first page dozens of results "Problem with XXX and Linux".

Mark

[Flash]

Jack, you've not mentioned anything specific about the hardware in your computer. What motherboard, chipset, BIOS, etc.? What brand/model hard drive, keyboard, mouse, etc.?

We might not solve your problem anyway, but without more specific information than you've given so far we're just shooting the breeze.

[jackketch]

Puppy uses kdrive, a minimalistic X using the very old Vesa-Standard. Other distros try to autodetect optimal drivers. That might work for the graficschip the autodetection was designed for.
But when a newer chip has new specifications, but identifies itself as the old one (for Windows-"compatibility" for example), this might mislead the autodetection.



Mark

thank you. this is the kinda thing i'm looking for! i will certainly google k-drive and see if any of the other distros i've tried use it.

btw i can get FC4 to run but only in quiet 3 and with all the no= switches .

[jackketch]

Jack, you've not mentioned anything specific about the hardware in your computer. What motherboard, chipset, BIOS, etc.? What brand/model hard drive, keyboard, mouse, etc.?

We might not solve your problem anyway, but without more specific information than you've given so far we're just shooting the breeze.

Linux puppypc 2.4.29 #1 Sat Jul 2 21:53:18 WST 2005 i686 unknown
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : AMD Sempron(tm) 2800+
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1999.797
cache size : 256 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips : 3984.58

total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem: 528265216 256143360 272121856 0 19161088 174518272
Swap: 0 0 0
MemTotal: 515884 kB
MemFree: 265744 kB
MemShared: 0 kB
Buffers: 18712 kB
Cached: 170428 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 64456 kB
Inactive: 124736 kB
HighTotal: 0 kB
HighFree: 0 kB
LowTotal: 515884 kB
LowFree: 265744 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Character devices:
1 mem
2 pty
3 ttyp
4 ttyS
5 cua
7 vcs
10 misc
14 sound
29 fb
36 netlink
128 ptm
129 ptm
130 ptm
131 ptm
132 ptm
133 ptm
134 ptm
135 ptm
136 pts
137 pts
138 pts
139 pts
140 pts
141 pts
142 pts
143 pts
162 raw
180 usb

Block devices:
1 ramdisk
2 fd
3 ide0
7 loop
9 md
11 sr
22 ide1
nodev rootfs
nodev bdev
nodev proc
nodev sockfs
nodev tmpfs
nodev shm
nodev pipefs
ext3
ext2
nodev ramfs
minix
umsdos
msdos
vfat
iso9660
nodev devpts
squashfs
nodev usbdevfs
nodev usbfs
nodev unionfs
major minor #blocks name

3 0 19932696 hda
3 1 10241406 hda1
3 64 29316672 hdb
3 65 29316640 hdb1
CPU0
0: 635751 XT-PIC timer
1: 2774 XT-PIC keyboard
2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
5: 9173 XT-PIC ehci_hcd, usb-ohci, eth0
8: 1 XT-PIC rtc
10: 10 XT-PIC usb-ohci, SiS 7012
12: 264032 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
14: 2487 XT-PIC ide0
15: 39 XT-PIC ide1
NMI: 0
ERR: 0
0000-001f : dma1
0020-003f : pic1
0040-005f : timer
0060-006f : keyboard
0070-007f : rtc
0080-008f : dma page reg
00a0-00bf : pic2
00c0-00df : dma2
00f0-00ff : fpu
0170-0177 : ide1
01f0-01f7 : ide0
0376-0376 : ide1
03c0-03df : vga+
03f6-03f6 : ide0
03f8-03ff : serial(auto)
0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
d000-d07f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3]
d000-d07f : tulip
d400-d4ff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet
d400-d4ff : sis900
d800-d87f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller
d800-d83f : SiS 7012
dc00-dcff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller
dc00-dcff : SiS 7012
ff00-ff0f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
ff00-ff07 : ide0
ff08-ff0f : ide1
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 746 Host (rev 16).
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd0000000 [0xd7ffffff].
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 (rev 0).
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=2.
Bus 0, device 2, function 0:
ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 37).
Bus 0, device 2, function 5:
IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 0).
Master Capable. Latency=128.
I/O at 0xff00 [0xff0f].
Bus 0, device 2, function 7:
Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev 160).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=52.Max Lat=11.
I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdcff].
I/O at 0xd800 [0xd87f].
Bus 0, device 3, function 1:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2) (rev 15).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfee000 [0xcbfeefff].
Bus 0, device 3, function 0:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 15).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfed000 [0xcbfedfff].
Bus 0, device 3, function 2:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller (rev 0).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfef000 [0xcbfeffff].
Bus 0, device 4, function 0:
Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 145).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=52.Max Lat=11.
I/O at 0xd400 [0xd4ff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfec000 [0xcbfecfff].
Bus 0, device 9, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 84).
IRQ 11.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcc000000 [0xcfffffff].
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 33).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xd000 [0xd07f].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfebf80 [0xcbfebfff].
Advanced information:

Kernel log:

erved)
BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000001fff0000 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 000000001fff0000 - 000000001fff8000 (ACPI data)
BIOS-e820: 000000001fff8000 - 0000000020000000 (ACPI NVS)
BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 00000000ffee0000 - 00000000fff00000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
511MB LOWMEM available.
On node 0 totalpages: 131056
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 126960 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: root=/dev/ram0 initrd=image.gz acpi=off PFILE=pup001-none-262144 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 1999.797 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 3984.58 BogoMIPS
Memory: 509528k/524224k available (1441k kernel code, 14308k reserved, 541k data, 132k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
CPU: CLK_CTL MSR was 6003d22f. Reprogramming to 2003d22f
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff c1cbfbff 00000000 00000000
CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff c1cbfbff 00000000 00000000
CPU: AMD Sempron(tm) 2800+ stepping 01
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326
ACPI: Interpreter disabled.
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb01, last bus=2
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
PCI: Using IRQ router SIS96x [1039/0008] at 00:02.0
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16)
Starting kswapd
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
Squashfs 2.1-r2 (released 2004/12/15) (C) 2002-2004 Phillip Lougher
pty: 2048 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Real Time Clock Driver v1.10f
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
SIS5513: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:02.5
SIS5513: chipset revision 0
SIS5513: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
SIS5513: SiS 962/963 MuTIOL IDE UDMA133 controller
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda MA, hdb MA
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc MA, hdd MA
hda: SAMSUNG SV2042H, ATA DISK drive
hdb: ST330610A, ATA DISK drive
blk: queue c034b540, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
blk: queue c034b67c, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
hdc: ARTEC WRR-52Z 1.15 20030107, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: attached ide-disk driver.
hda: host protected area => 1
hda: 39865392 sectors (20411 MB) w/426KiB Cache, CHS=2481/255/63, UDMA(100)
hdb: attached ide-disk driver.
hdb: host protected area => 1
hdb: 58633344 sectors (30020 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=3649/255/63, UDMA(100)
Partition check:
hda: hda1
hdb: hdb1
ide: late registration of driver.
md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
Initializing Cryptographic API
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 65536)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
Freeing initrd memory: 6220k freed
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
Linux Tulip driver version 0.9.15-pre12 (Aug 9, 2002)
PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:0c.0
tulip0: 21041 Media table, default media 0800 (Autosense).
tulip0: 21041 media #0, 10baseT.
tulip0: 21041 media #4, 10baseT-FDX.
tulip0: 21041 media #1, 10base2.
eth0: Digital DC21041 Tulip rev 33 at 0xd000, 21041 mode, 00:80:C8:59:2E:77, IRQ 5.
sis900.c: v1.08.07 11/02/2003
PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:04.0
eth1: VIA 6103 PHY transceiver found at address 1.
eth1: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default
eth1: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd400, IRQ 5, 00:0d:87:33:a2:b8.
usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
usb.c: registered new driver hub
PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:03.2
ehci_hcd 00:03.2: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller
ehci_hcd 00:03.2: irq 5, pci mem e085c000
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
PCI: cache line size of 64 is not supported by device 00:03.2
ehci_hcd 00:03.2: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Dec-29/2.4
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 6 ports detected
PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:03.1
usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xe0864000, IRQ 5
usb-ohci.c: usb-00:03.1, Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2)
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 3 ports detected
PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:03.0
usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xe0866000, IRQ 10
usb-ohci.c: usb-00:03.0, Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 3 ports detected
Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 10:55:54 Jun 17 2005
PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:02.7
i810: SiS 7012 found at IO 0xd800 and 0xdc00, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 10
i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.
i810_audio: Resetting connection 0
ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: CMI97 (CMedia)
AC97 codec does not have proper volume support.
i810_audio: only 48Khz playback available.
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, new EID value = 0x05c6
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, DAC map configured, total channels = 6
hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver.
hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
NTFS driver 2.1.6b [Flags: R/W MODULE].
hub.c: new USB device 00:03.0-1, assigned address 2
usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4b8/0x5) is not claimed by any active driver.
Uniform CD-ROM driver unloaded
Registering unionfs version $Id: main.c,v 1.85 2005/03/14 22:19:49 dquigley Exp $
ide-cd: ignoring drive hdc
hdc: attached ide-scsi driver.
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: ARTEC Model: WRR-52Z Rev: 1.15
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 52x/52x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
usb.c: registered new driver usblp
printer.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04B8 pid 0x0005
printer.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver


Kernel modules:

printer 7648 0 (unused)
sr_mod 14488 0 (unused)
ide-scsi 9392 0
ide-cd 29504 0
cdrom 27744 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
unionfs 157488 1
nls_iso8859-1 2812 1 (autoclean)
nls_cp437 4316 1 (autoclean)
sd_mod 11404 0 (unused)
i810_audio 23292 0 (autoclean) (unused)
ac97_codec 12020 0 (autoclean) [i810_audio]
soundcore 3588 2 (autoclean) [i810_audio]
usb-ohci 19336 0 (autoclean) (unused)
ehci-hcd 17516 0 (autoclean) (unused)
usbcore 59596 1 (autoclean) [printer usb-ohci ehci-hcd]
sis900 12748 0 (autoclean) (unused)
tulip 39200 1 (autoclean)
crc32 2896 0 (autoclean) [sis900 tulip]
scsi_mod 93972 3 [sr_mod ide-scsi sd_mod]


Shell environmen t:

INPUT RC=/etc/in putrc
S HSQL_DB=/r oot/ghttpd /quisp
USER=root< BR>HOSTNAME=puppypc
LD_LIBRARY _PATH=/usr /lib/qt/li b:/usr/lib /mozilla:/ lib:/usr/l ib:/usr/X1 1R6/lib:/r oot/my-app lications/ lib
HOM E=/root
OLDPWD=/u sr/lib/tkW orld
QT DIR=/usr/l ib/qt
LOGNAME=roo t
MOZIL LA_FIVE_HO ME=/usr/li b/mozilla< BR>TERM=li nux
XFI NANSDIR=/r oot/.xfinans
PATH=/bin: /usr/bin:/ sbin:/usr/ sbin:/usr/ local/bin: /usr/X11R6 /bin:/root /my-applic ations/bin
DISPLA Y=:0.0
LANG=C
HISTSIZE=1 000
SHE LL=/bin/sh
PWD=/r oot
TZ=UTC+8
KDEDIR=/usr/local/kde
EDITOR=mp


Processes:

PID TTY Uid Size State Command
1 root 1900 S init
2 root 0 S [keventd]
3 root 0 S [kapmd]
4 root 0 S [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
5 root 0 S [kswapd]
6 root 0 S [bdflush]
7 root 0 S [kupdated]
8 root 0 S [mdrecoveryd]
117 root 0 S [khubd]
154 root 1896 S syslogd -m 0 -L
161 root 1900 S klogd
314 root 0 S [loop1]
377 root 0 S [loop0]
533 root 1464 S dhcpcd eth0
548 tty1 root 1896 S /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/xwin
549 tty2 root 1660 S /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
602 tty1 root 2436 S /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit /root/.xinitrc -- -mod
603 tty1 root 12076 S X :0 -mode 0x0114 -shadow -mouse /dev/mouse
604 tty1 root 2860 S jwm
610 tty1 root 1896 S /bin/sh /sbin/check_space
611 tty1 root 3424 S /usr/bin/autocutsel
632 tty1 root 7656 S /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/Linux-ix86/ROX-Fi
8854 tty1 root 53744 S /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
8864 tty1 root 53744 S /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
8865 tty1 root 53744 S /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
8867 tty1 root 53744 S /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin
11366 tty1 root 1896 S /bin/sh -c rxvt
11367 tty1 root 2676 S rxvt
11368 root 1912 S sh
12543 root 1912 R vi
12872 root 1912 S sh
14495 tty1 root 5408 S beaver /root/report1.txt
14709 tty1 root 6040 S wish /usr/local/bin/tkworld
14752 tty1 root 1896 S sh /tmp/tkWorld.root.1131470167
14753 tty1 root 4856 S xproc
14754 tty1 root 1772 S cat
14786 tty1 root 1764 S sleep 6
14791 tty1 root 1896 S sh -c /bin/ps -aux > /tmp/.xprljHRx1 2>&1
14792 tty1 root 1900 R /bin/ps -aux


Installed libraries:

/sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory


Serial devices:

/dev/ttyS0, Line 0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte
Flags: spd_normal skip_test

/dev/ttyS1, Line 1, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ: 3
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte
Flags: spd_normal skip_test

/dev/ttyS2, Line 2, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03e8, IRQ: 4
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte
Flags: spd_normal skip_test

/dev/ttyS3, Line 3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte
Flags: spd_normal

Network devices:

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:C8:59:2E:77
inet addr:10.0.0.12 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:4704 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4575 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:9 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:3671029 (3.5 MiB) TX bytes:681738 (665.7 kiB)
Interrupt:5 Base address:0xd000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 iB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 iB)

Inter-| Receive | Transmit
face |bytes packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes packets errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed
lo: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth0: 3671029 4704 0 0 0 0 0 0 681738 4575 0 0 0 9 0 0
eth1: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


PCI devices:

PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 746 Host (rev 16).
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd0000000 [0xd7ffffff].
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 (rev 0).
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=2.
Bus 0, device 2, function 0:
ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 37).
Bus 0, device 2, function 5:
IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 0).
Master Capable. Latency=128.
I/O at 0xff00 [0xff0f].
Bus 0, device 2, function 7:
Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev 160).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=52.Max Lat=11.
I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdcff].
I/O at 0xd800 [0xd87f].
Bus 0, device 3, function 1:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2) (rev 15).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfee000 [0xcbfeefff].
Bus 0, device 3, function 0:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 15).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfed000 [0xcbfedfff].
Bus 0, device 3, function 2:
USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller (rev 0).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Max Lat=80.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfef000 [0xcbfeffff].
Bus 0, device 4, function 0:
Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 145).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=52.Max Lat=11.
I/O at 0xd400 [0xd4ff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfec000 [0xcbfecfff].
Bus 0, device 9, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 84).
IRQ 11.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcc000000 [0xcfffffff].
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 33).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xd000 [0xd07f].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xcbfebf80 [0xcbfebfff].


Locked files:

Current mounts:

rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
tmpfs / tmpfs rw 0 0
none /proc proc rw 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0
none /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
/dev/hdb1 /mnt/home vfat rw 0 0
/dev/loop1 /root ext2 rw 0 0
/dev/loop0 /usr squashfs ro 0 0
none /usr unionfs

[jackketch]

the mobo is a PC Chips M848ALU SKT A SIS 748 400 DDR AGP 8x ATA133 6Ch Sound/LAN/USB 2.0 for Athlon or Sempron CPUs

Product Type Mainboard
Form Factor ATX
Width 30.5 cm
Depth 22.4 cm
Compatible Processors Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP
Processor Socket Socket A
Chipset Type SiS748
Max Bus Speed 400 MHz
BIOS Type AMI
Storage Controller ATA-133
Processor Installed Qty (Max Supported) 0 ( 1 )
Memory Supported RAM Technology DDR SDRAM
RAM Installed ( Max ) 0 MB / 2 GB (max) - DIMM 184-PIN
RAM Technology DDR SDRAM
Supported RAM Speed PC2100, PC1600, PC2700
RAM Features Unbuffered
Audio Audio Output Sound card
Signal Processor SiS963L
Audio Codec CMI9739A
Sound Output Mode 5.1 channel surround
Compliant Standards AC '97
Telecom / Networking Networking Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet
Features BIOS Features DMI support, APM 1.2 support, ACPI 1.0 support
Hardware Monitoring CPU core temperature, CPU fan tachometer, system voltage
Sleep / Wake Up Keyboard wake up, wake on modem (WOM), RTC (real-time clock) wake up, wake on LAN (WOL), wake on USB port, wake on ring (WOR)
Expansion / Connectivity Expansion Slots Total (Free) 1 ( 1 ) x processor - Socket A

[kethd]

jack,
It seems obvious, looking over this discussion, that your new computer has hardware "issues". Either something is "broken", or just "odd" -- so odd that almost no full modern OS will run for long.
But by chance Puppy happens to avoid that oddity!
The only way you are ever likely to track this down is by taking a "black box" approach. You would need another duplicate set of what you have. Testing on that would tell you what kind of a problem you have. If the dup works better, swap parts to find the "special" part of combination. If the dup shows the same behavior, then you have a real Mystery!
Be sure to post back here if you ever track down just what is going on...
(It seems like it would be educational to try all kinds of OLD OS: Win3.1/95,98, FreeDOS, MS-DOS, various odd DOS-based GUIs, maybe even older Linuxes.)

[jackketch]

kethd, after more than two weeks of 'fun' the realities of my life forced me to give up and reassemble my old computer. I am sending the cpu off to be professionally tested this week. Depending on the results i will pick up another mobo and try that at some point in the near future.

luckily it seems puppy will also run on VMware on my present computer, which is good cos i really grew to love this little distro in my hour of need

[Jesse]

Hi jackketch,

I just remembered a strange thing I once saw with one computer, windows would boot up to the point of showing the desktop screen, and then it would go to blue screen, and linux would boot ok, but with warnings that some services did not start properly.
The machine had been working fine for months and then one day did this.
I took a wild stab in the dark and got it right first time, and then would boot ok in either os.
I changed the BIOS setting for the CPU Level 2 cache, or was it Level 1?, I switched setting to 'off', and then it would function normally, if a bit slower than normal...

One other thing I once did was leave one of those motherboard spacers in the wrong spot, which briged some contacts on the back of the motherboard, directly under where the CPU pins were soldered in, unsurprisingly it did odd things.

Jesse