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ttuuxxx · Posted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 15:22 Post subject:

For a full translation lets look at Glibc+Gcc they have a combined 11MB of bin files that don't compress really all that much, we would lose Gxine, abiword, Gnumeric because puppy goal has always been keep it under 100MB. We couldn't even use a full utf8 in English because of the bins would put us over the limit. What I've seen is a lot of community support for localizations and remastering of puppy just for that purpose:)
The most I could foresee in the future is the .desktop files being change. And if people want scripts changed, then if they give me the translations, I'll change the text? We are 4 mb under the 100MB threshold . But addition maybe sfs translation packs could be an idea. But we do need support from the other languages to translate. I've used online translation web pages before and they are really bad. I hope this helps, I'm not trying to stomp on anything, actually I'm trying to build some support so things like this might happen, but just in a way that follows puppy's main path. Well thats how I feel about it, Maybe not everyone.
ttuuxxx

WhoDo · Posted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 15:55 Post subject:

ttuuxxx · Posted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 16:11 Post subject:

yes your right Rox it is, a typo ,LOL I've been dealing a lot with Icewm and Jwm, thats whats been on my mind.
ttuuxxx

droope · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 811 Location: Uruguay, Mercedes

ttuuxxx · Posted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 23:37 Post subject:

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 4688

I was playing around with the macpup addon and accidently got icewm & wbar combined down to 975kb... I was only shooting to get it down to 2mb but my internet was down & couldn't work on the web desktop so it got a buzz cut - that should be small enough eh?

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=261660#261660

ttuuxxx · Posted: Wed 31 Dec 2008, 03:40 Post subject:

droope · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 811 Location: Uruguay, Mercedes

ttuuxxx · Posted: Thu 01 Jan 2009, 03:54 Post subject:

Hi guys in the off topic area I made a post about broken SSL well puppy has always been about innovation I was thinking why not add some added security to puppy and also help packagers out at the same time, kind of a kill 2 birds with one stone idea.

Some months ago I came across an MD5 SHA-1 checker, called Gtkhash
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=258974
it basically checks the 2 sums, very quickly, actually instantly Smile

and displays them in a box that you can copy and paste, which is handy for building packages to release for the general public.

But I've been thinking about the next evolution in pet package management. Below is an mock-up image for display purposes only, I don't have a working model and really wouldn't have a clue how to marriage the 2 apps together.

Ok how I envisaged was like this

Building packages
-whenever the dir2pet script is ran, it would output a MD5 + SHA-1 text next to the package so that package builders could paste the results to the forum when a package would be released maybe a file called PackageName-sum.txt

Installing a package
The pet package manager would have MD5 + SHA-1 capabilities already included and as soon as you click a pet it would look like below. Then the person installing the application could check the 2.
This would give the end user 2 things, a sense of security and a valid size check that the package was downloaded without error.
Theres on a few developers who I think could pull this off like Barry or Sigmund but if we did have this needed feature, It would make puppys package manager the most secure manager in the world. Well I never heard of this style of security on any package manager.
Also if we can't have this feature included in petget maybe just include the gtkhash pet in puppy and I could add it to the opening list of petget. Also a quick start in the rox right click menu would be ideal also.
Your call Whodo and developers alike.
ttuuxxx

Aitch · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6817 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK

2 good ideas

Like it Very Happy

droope

I think this is excellent, and hope someone is able to implement it

Have you posted the idea over on the developer blog?

ttuuxxx

Spotted your GTKhash last time around - seem to recall having the same thought - like why don't we have this in Puppy before anyone else

Innovation gets you noticed - & copied Wink

PS nice one on the Wbar size, Techno

Aitch Smile

ttuuxxx · Posted: Thu 01 Jan 2009, 09:37 Post subject:

Whodo wanted a version of Wbar that worked with my new new icewm pet, I looked at technosaurus version, did some updates and then repackaged it, then I went back and removed icewm and the jwm2icewm and basically just left Wbar and the needed extras for icewm to work. Here's the pet.
Ps I personally also feel due to the size nature this package should be part of the repo but not included by default, I would rather see something like gtkhash included, There is a need by many to have added security and simplicity mixed together. Most new users have no idea how to check MD5 and now that SSL is broken we have no way of testing SHA-1 unless we use this sort of application, by default puppy doesn't have a check for SHA-1, well not I know of.
ttuuxxx
removed the wbar due to missing icons in jwm

Aitch · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6817 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK

ttuuxxx · Posted: Thu 01 Jan 2009, 12:17 Post subject:

I found a very small command line alternative for Sha1 and 5 other formats, you can read about the release
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=262030#262030
Basically the work the same as md5sum via the commandline but instead you type
sha1 package name followed by the extension
md5 package name followed by the extension
sha256 package name followed by the extension
etc
But the real nice thing is that it should be real easy and very small to add md5 and sha1 to the package manager Smile

or for someone build a gui for the bins, like PsumCalculator Smile

here's the Sha1 & MD5 the rest you can find at the link
ttuuxxx

pa_mcclamrock · Posted: Sun 04 Jan 2009, 18:58 Post subject:

My 2 cents' worth on cutting bloat for 4.2: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36588&start=45

More generally, I would like it to be easier for users to uninstall anything that isn't strictly needed for the system to run. If I don't want, say, SeaMonkey, AbiWord, Geany, HomeBank, or Osmo, I would like to be able to get rid of them as easily as I can now get rid of packages I've installed. Might that be feasible for ordinary users who don't especially want to dabble in Puppy Unleashed (which is not quite as easy as uninstalling packages with PETget)?

David McClamrock