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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jan 2009, 20:14    Post subject:  

pa_mcclamrock wrote:
More generally, I would like it to be easier for users to uninstall anything that isn't strictly needed for the system to run. ...[snip]... Might that be feasible for ordinary users who don't especially want to dabble in Puppy Unleashed (which is not quite as easy as uninstalling packages with PETget)?

PetbeGone does it, but it only masks the packages until you actually remaster. That is because the pup_4xx.sfs file is read only. All PetbeGone does is add appropriate .wh files to the next level of the initrd. It also requires 0pkgs_db-4xx installed or it won't know which files to mask.

Hope that helps, David.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jan 2009, 20:55    Post subject:  

An actual easier way would be like this.
when you say install Kompozer it makes a Uninstall file located in /root/.packages/kompozer-0.7.10.files
its basically a 17kb text file showing where everything was installed
yes 17kb, but compressed its 3077B so it would be very small on sfs
we could add say maybe 10 or 20 application files like abiword gxine etc then the user could uninstall the non-essentials via the puppy package manager. This does work when you remaster also, if you include /root/.packages/ during your remaster process you can uninstall applications you installed before the remaster, after you burn and boot your remastered cd.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 01:25    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
An actual easier way would be like this.
when you say install Kompozer it makes a Uninstall file located in /root/.packages/kompozer-0.7.10.files
its basically a 17kb text file showing where everything was installed
yes 17kb, but compressed its 3077B so it would be very small on sfs
we could add say maybe 10 or 20 application files like abiword gxine etc then the user could uninstall the non-essentials via the puppy package manager. This does work when you remaster also, if you include /root/.packages/ during your remaster process you can uninstall applications you installed before the remaster, after you burn and boot your remastered cd.

I don't think PetBeGone and 0pkgs-db are all that big either, so either way it would work. At the moment I'm trying to see how much I can bring the standard ISO down to while including conky, pwidgets and some icon themes. Due to problems with the 4.1.2 Unleashed package, I've resorted to building the first 4.2alpha from the 4.1.1 Unleashed core, so I'll have some manual edits to do first to get rid of the 4.1.1 bugs mentioned in Barry's blog. Then the building can proceed at full pace.

I'm pretty sure I can get the ISO in under 98Mb including the Deepthought eye candy and your icewm-1.2.36-mini version. I haven't seriously tried to reduce anything yet, so even 95Mb is easily possible.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 02:59    Post subject:  

Hmmmm

Don't forget to think about

Updated puppy package manager 20kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13571

Parcellite 22kb vs Glipper, default enabled, even if you just have it enabled in startup for icewm Smile That would make a very large % of us packagers happy Smile Then it would only startup with icewm Smile
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13265

GTKHash 337.42 KB (would get more use than NoteCase)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32700

xarchiver 111kb +plugns if needed 88kb+283kb (i'll try to find a smaller 7zip bin)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37276

Small icewm+switch+newtheme 575kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13759

heck of a list, boy did I ever put some effort in this release, All that and it adds up to like 1MB lol plus the addons. Well hope you use most of it Smile ttuuxxx

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 06:33    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Updated puppy package manager 20kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13571

Already in.

ttuuxxx wrote:
Parcellite 22kb vs Glipper, default enabled, even if you just have it enabled in startup for icewm Smile That would make a very large % of us packagers happy Smile Then it would only startup with icewm Smile
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13265

Still under consideration

ttuuxxx wrote:
GTKHash 337.42 KB (would get more use than NoteCase)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32700

NoteCase is already out

ttuuxxx wrote:
xarchiver 111kb +plugns if needed 88kb+283kb (i'll try to find a smaller 7zip bin)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37276

Basic xarchiver is in to replace xarchive

ttuuxxx wrote:
Small icewm+switch+newtheme 575kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13759

Already in.

ttuuxxx wrote:
heck of a list, boy did I ever put some effort in this release, All that and it adds up to like 1MB lol plus the addons. Well hope you use most of it

Don't stop there, mate. Razz My pre-alphas are shaping up at 96Mb and I think you could help us to pare that down a whole lot more. I now have a working Puppy 4.2 ISO, but I'm not happy with its out-of-the-box setup - desktop icons all over the place, missing mime assignments, erk ....

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 11:12    Post subject:  

So does that mean you want more tiny apps?

Xpad 45kb is a cute yellow sticky note application, Actually it saves trees, LOL
Anyways an ideal place for something like this to actually get used is on the taskbar for quick launch, how handy you can copy and paste etc. Tell ya the truth an even better place would be autostart the reason why its really tiny in memory size and when you first start it, it min to the taskbar, then you click on it.. Plus if you make say 50 sticky notes and close them, they stay recorded until you have send them to the trash to be deleted. Download below.

Transmission 434kb the bit torrent client, well we've all tried it and liked it Smile
Pctorrent is confusing for newbeees, it doesn't download 2 things at once, much less control and options, over program.
Transmission well its always being updated still very small for what your getting http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13788


If you want to kill a whooping 1.5MB muggins released a nice record your destop and make video application called "XvidCap" The thing that gets me about having a repo like we do without any descriptions. People might be looking for a program just like this one and never find it with such a strange name, sure it probably uses xvid but really wheres the "Record your desktop Live video" anyways, Its a great program 1.5MB is a bit tooo big. But could be a lot of fun for people to play with.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24951

Ayttm chat client is really buggy on 4.1 , if you change you nick in the forum you get all the writing from the intro, around 2 lines worth, it doesn't show you the amount of people in the rooms in advanced when your looking at the room list, which also isn't easy to find. on the puppy 4.0 repo there is Xchat and its pet is 150kb smaller than Ayttm, The only problem with XChat is that it doesn't have a menu icon and that it needs a config file, When you open it, everything is blank and you have to manually select from a long list, Freenode, then you have to know or get a room list where your find a #puppylinux this should of be fixed before uploading to the repo, hmmmm, ok I'll do it now Smile 1hr later and its fixed, I never really used Xchat so it was a learning thing, now this is how it works
-auto logins into freenode
-auto login to the #puppylinux
-The users nicks are Pupuser-402 etc
-The fonts were the wrong type and way toooo small, So I fixed that also.
-Fixed the missing menu icon
now it just works just as well as pidgin in the past, actually its quicker than pidgin for the room list with people numbers Smile And its a 150KB Saving over Ayttm and about 50% smaller than pidgin, Thats what I like, Something smaller and better. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 11:26    Post subject:  

Oh some news on 'NoteCase' the owner/developer has released the final version of the freeware release for linux, he is not going to produce or support the free version anymore, He's decided only to support and continue the "Pro" paid version only, so I guess it isn't a bad time to pull the plug on Notecase. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 12:04    Post subject:  

xpad looks interesting,
jwm users may find the following group declaration useful
Code:
<Group>
<Class>xpad</Class>
<Name>xpad</Name>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
</Group>
This will remove the title bar and stop the notes appearing on the taskbar. Paste it into /root/.jwm/.jwmrc-personal above the last line with the </JWM> closing tag. Then restart jwm.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 12:12    Post subject: Deep Thought 4.2  

Not to hijack this thread away from Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought but I see where ttuuxxx made mention of muggins xvidcap 1.1.6 here :

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24951

I have searched every way I can think of to have the program capture the audio as well to no avail.The video works splendidly but the audio goes begging.Maybe it is something as simple as a hardware or driver problem or maybe it just refuses to play well with 412.Must be way past my pay grade and apparently many others.

Now I return you viewing pleasure back to Puppy 4.2 Deep Thought. Wink cheers
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 12:23    Post subject:  

HairyWill wrote:
xpad looks interesting,
jwm users may find the following group declaration useful
Code:
<Group>
<Class>xpad</Class>
<Name>xpad</Name>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
</Group>
This will remove the title bar and stop the notes appearing on the taskbar. Paste it into /root/.jwm/.jwmrc-personal above the last line with the </JWM> closing tag. Then restart jwm.


Boy Hairy you were quick with that:)
How do you feel about quick launch, the only one on jwm by default is show desktop, I usually put Pfind, Default-Browser, and I guess probably xpad now. Also in the past I used to also include a calculator
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 12:43    Post subject:  

hi ttuuxxx,

don't we get to bar's with 4.2?

EDIT: don't we get two bar's with 4.2?

nice typo.


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 14:13    Post subject:  

Quote:
don't we get two bar's with 4.2?


he he, one for programs the other for beer? Wink Laughing

Nice going, ttuuxxx, you're a star

Did you get a chance to try any of those audio links, as a nice eq would go down well, [hint, grin]?

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jan 2009, 18:01    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
So does that mean you want more tiny apps?

Well, the calibre of what you have here is great but that wasn't really what I meant. BTW, Xchat and Xpad are in.

What I would really like is for someone to troll through the standard inclusions and find things that can be compressed. I was so impressed with what you managed with Icewm and thought that surely that should be possible with other stuff too.

Of course, only do that if you want. I'm not trying to dictate what you contribute. I'm just giving you ideas that you may or may not want to act upon.

I'm still having trouble getting the desktop icons to show up in a newly built Puppy, too. I have no idea why. It's like the globicons and PuppyPin files are being mangled somehow. Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jan 2009, 00:21    Post subject:  

I did manage to compile the latest mtpaint with improvements that came out last week, Its around 32kb larger than the older one in the repo.
It has a nicer save as etc.
Plus remember all the updated text editors I compiled
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=263435#263435
If you wanted to free up space you could save around 550kb and remove Geany and use the latest beaver. Maybe add the new Geany to repo? you could also remove leafpad since Beaver is quick and has more functions than leafpad. saving 80kb.
most of these updated package could/should go to the repo. Has anything like that been arranged with Barry?
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jan 2009, 00:28    Post subject:  

I have one more thing I would like to do, If you could get the latest 1.0 series of Seamonkey up and going as a pet, I could give it a bit of a work around. Please no alpha 2 versions. lets keep thing rock stable Wink
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