Puppy 4..2alpha "Deepthought" Bug Reports and Fixes

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#81 Post by Pizzasgood »

Inside the 0rootfs_skeleton-420/usr/lib/syslinux/files/ directory or so there should be a file named syslinux.cfg. Open it up and there will be a line timeout 50. It's measured in tenths of a second.


When Puppy is paused at that screen, you can press the enter key to skip waiting.
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#82 Post by HairyWill »

looks tasty, I'll buy it

NASTY bug:
If you use the xlock button on the top tray before setting an xlock password you will lock up X completely and need ctrl-alt-delete to recover. I suggest removing the xlock button from the tray.

Personally I would like to see the top-tray containing buttons for browser and filer, these are my most often used applications.

I can see a few tweaks need to be made to roxrightclicks. Remove fotox, gview add gpicview. I will do this later in the week.

The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?

Do we still need the old network wizard?

I have been poking at gpicview to see if I can get it to display a slideshow. It should be fairly easy if I hardcode the timing (at say 10 seconds / slide). Does anyone think this is worth while?

Zigberts add icon button on the left of the screen relies on there being copies/symlinks of all the possible applications in /root/my-applications/bin, these are not there. Personally I don't think that the function deserves several hundred pixels on the left edge of my screen. I like the idea, maybe it could be put into the desktop menu instead.

When clicking the 'add widget' button on the right side of the screen. The pwidget configurator opens with nothing in the right-hand pane. I would expect it to show the existing config.
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#83 Post by WhoDo »

Pizzasgood wrote:Inside the 0rootfs_skeleton-420/usr/lib/syslinux/files/ directory or so there should be a file named syslinux.cfg. Open it up and there will be a line timeout 50. It's measured in tenths of a second.
Gotit! Boosted to 80 - an extra 3 secs to admire the bootie! :P Thanks PG.
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HairyWill wrote:NASTY bug:
If you use the xlock button on the top tray before setting an xlock password you will lock up X completely and need ctrl-alt-delete to recover. I suggest removing the xlock button from the tray.
Agreed. I didn't spend any time on the top tray. I'll take suggestions for what should be included such as ...
Personally I would like to see the top-tray containing buttons for browser and filer, these are my most often used applications.
In fact I would even listen to arguments to include the new, small wbar instead so that the launch bar feature is available in both window managers.
HairyWill wrote:I can see a few tweaks need to be made to roxrightclicks. Remove fotox, gview add gpicview. I will do this later in the week.
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HairyWill wrote:The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?
:?
HairyWill wrote:Do we still need the old network wizard?
Beats me. Until you mentioned it I hadn't even realised it was there. Why is it there anyway?
HairyWill wrote:I have been poking at gpicview to see if I can get it to display a slideshow. It should be fairly easy if I hardcode the timing (at say 10 seconds / slide). Does anyone think this is worth while?
Yep. Such a feature would be the end of any argument against gpicview as the included viewer/slideshow app.
HairyWill wrote:Zigberts add icon button on the left of the screen relies on there being copies/symlinks of all the possible applications in /root/my-applications/bin, these are not there. Personally I don't think that the function deserves several hundred pixels on the left edge of my screen. I like the idea, maybe it could be put into the desktop menu instead.
Hmmm... they're there in my 4.12 installation. Maybe I missed something during the build?
HairyWill wrote:When clicking the 'add widget' button on the right side of the screen. The pwidget configurator opens with nothing in the right-hand pane. I would expect it to show the existing config.
So would I. I'm surprised to know that's the case for you. I'm pretty sure its there on the test bed. I'll have another look.

Thanks for the great report, Will. Much appreciated, as are all your efforts for Puppy.
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#85 Post by WhoDo »

growler wrote:1. PPLOG doesn't work - not sure hiawatha/PPLOG belong in a desktop os anyway ... I had a play with the configs but couldn't get hiawatha going I thought it was to do with file permissions as hiawatha runs as nobody but couldn't nail it sorry. The error log says its a file permission error.
Yes. These are more like techie add-ons than standard inclusions for the average user and they do take up space that could be put to better use elsewhere.
growler wrote:2. there are 3 console editors on the GUI menu? Wouldn't one always use geany or Abiword in the GUI?
Yes. MP and e3 don't really need to appear in the menu at all. I guess they're there to boost the impression that Puppy has everything but the Out house sink! We could lose them for usability's sake, IMHO. What does everyone else think?
growler wrote:3. The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG... in favour of more client side programs - say citrix or remote desktop client or vnc client.
Yes! I had RDPclient in 2.15CE and I don't know what happened to it after that! That's definitely worth revisiting. VNC client is a bit esoteric for the standard edition.
growler wrote:The calculator rationalisation is great - like galculator. The themes and widgets really give a visual lift (go zigbert!!) - the splash screen on boot is also much more reassuring for many nice one PG.

This puppy is looking very polished and newby friendly.
It is a work in progress, but the progress so far is very pleasing. :wink: Thanks for your input and support.
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#86 Post by J-Bob »

WhoDo wrote:
growler wrote:The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG... in favour of more client side programs - say citrix or remote desktop client or vnc client.
Yes! I had RDPclient in 2.15CE and I don't know what happened to it after that! That's definitely worth revisiting. VNC client is a bit esoteric for the standard edition.
RDPclient was made by rarsa, and rarsa used tcl and gnocl for building it. But in Puppy 4, Barry decided to remove tcl, tk, and gnocl, i believe to save space
So if you want that in Puppy 4.2. Than bringing back tcl, tk, and gnocl would be a good idea.

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#87 Post by 01micko »

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Do you remember that clock fix I made when Pwidgets was first released? Well forum member 'trio' has made a vast improvement to it. I petted up a new fixwidgets file in the thread.http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 891#266891
You might want to add it to your next release after some testing. It works nicely so far..

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#88 Post by ttuuxxx »

HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?

Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy :)
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ttuuxxx wrote:HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?

Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy :)
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sorry! doubledup and lost!
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#91 Post by ttuuxxx »

01micko wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?

Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy :)
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Or like that Big power switch in Frankenstein movies. :idea:
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ttuuxxx wrote:
01micko wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:HairyWill wrote:
The volume trayapp is an earlier revision than the one in 4.1.2. Ttuuxxx can you confirm that this works better for you?

Well Hairy yes and no, Usually when I click on any volume tray app it does a disappearing trick, poof its gone off the taskbar. But this one when I call it up on icewm it stays and works like a mute button, its either full or off, as soon as your say 2mm off the bottom of tray its on full. all the way to the top. But hey I can live with it. maybe I'll put it back on the taskbar on IceWm
thanks Hairy :)
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Or like that Big power switch in Frankenstein movies. :idea:
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#93 Post by capoverde »

Just testing 4.2 alpha now. Download was very fast from puppyisos.org.

Cool splash screen, fast boot as (now) usual. My two cents here: wait 10 seconds or hit <Enter> for boot, any other key to stop countdown and show the Help screen.

Superb eye-candy overall! Please accept my compliments, all ye who worked it out. I like having the simple flat icons on the menu and the 3D ones on the desktop. The phantom drive icons getting "solid" when mounted are marvelous (let's hope noone has set a patent on that).

OK for Galculator + GMeasures only in the Calculators section; the "Add widget" and "Add icon" tabs seem to work OK - and were quite a pleasant surprise. The apostrophe key doesn't open the terminal if hit outside a directory window, otherwise works normally.

Not yet sure about the SeaMonkey vs. FirePup choice: the latter doesn't crash by hitting the <Insert> key when writing forms and has better control over Flash tabs & other time-wasters, but SM seems simpler to use - or maybe just got used to it.

GPicView seems to fill the bill nicely for a picture viewer, at last.
Will go on testing. As for what I've seen up to now, Puppy 4.2 alpha seems to be very promising, respecting BK's tradition in full -- at every new release one wondered how it could be better than that. Kudos to everyone in the team! Really great job.

* BTW, out of sheer curiosity two days ago I tested Milax, which is the OpenSolaris-version of DamnSmallLinux -- oh well, with due respect, it's become DamnSlowSolaris... and fully shows Puppy's power!

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#94 Post by ttuuxxx »

Ok one thing that Bugsss me is that Pmount has Preferences for Mut and even Mut is included with 4.2, but Mut doesn't work, Last time I check in 3 series Mut was tcl/tk and we don't have tcl/tx in any of the 4.0 series, its not even in the 4 series repo, if you want tcl/tk you have to go to series 2&3 for the libs. So what I did was remove Mut from the Preferences and added some frames and a title, so its more pleasing to look at, I couldn't find the Pmount package in the 4 series repo at puppylinux.ca so basically this will replace you current Pmount with a non Mut version. what it looks like and updated Pmount is below.If anyone knows where the Pmount pet package is, I would like to repackage it? Well if WhoDo likes the idea ofcourse? I just find it silly and maybe frustrating for new users to try something that has no chance of working out of the box.
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#95 Post by Kal »

Has anyone run into the tiny blank window over the home icon on the desktop of icewm, when started with "icewm-session". When in this state it crashed on Exit to Prompt. It was somewhat intermittent and I stopped it by starting with "icewm" and then loaded the startup file for icewm with .xinitrc. I don't plan on using JWM at all, because icewm is my preferred choice and gxine works better with it.

Except for that, most things that I used seem to work well, out of the box on icewm.

Good Luck, Kal, just an end user

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#96 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

ttuuxxx wrote:if you want tcl/tk you have to go to series 2&3 for the libs.
Which are out of date. You guys are more than welcome to include my up-to-date Tcl and Tk 8.5.5 PETs, derived from the Slackware 12.2 packages, in 4.2 Unleashed if you wish:

http://puppylinux.asia/members/pa_mccla ... -8.5.5.pet

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#97 Post by pa_mcclamrock »

growler wrote:The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG...
I agree--keep them in Unleashed, but don't foist them on all who get the standard Puppy.

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#98 Post by HairyWill »

ttuuxxx wrote:but Mut doesn't work

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# mut --help
multi-call binary options are: (sym link or cmd line option)
  mut  mutd  mutdaemon  mutforeground  mutclient  probepart  probedisk  probedisk2  probepci  drivelist  guess_fstype  mounts  mediaplug
Meta Options are:
  --exit        : stops the mut 2 daemon
  --debug       : all log messages written, no threads
  --noserv      : scan hardware directly
  --version     : output version/build numbers
  --foreground  : run server in the foreground terminal
mut Options are:
  --timing  -t      : print out time to execute application
 sda:   40GB    disk    sata   6 partitions
# mut probedisk
/dev/sda|Direct-Access|ATA HTC426040G9AT00 00P4
# mut probepart
/dev/sda1|ntfs|18876312|OS/2 HPFS or NTFS
/dev/sda2|ext3|8385930|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda3|ext3|20964825|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda4|none|29913030|Extended (contains other slice)
/dev/sda5|ext3|26619642|Linux Ext2Fs
/dev/sda6|swap|3293262|Linux Swap
# 
works fine for me
Jesse rewrote mut so that it could be used from the commandline Barry has included it as an option so that if pmount drive/partition detection fails then the probedisk and probepart implementations provided by mut can be used instead.
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#99 Post by HairyWill »

growler wrote:The ftp server and personal didi-wiki - would get my vote to axe as well as hiawatha/PPLOG...
I think there should be some compromise between paring down to the minimum and giving some space to demonstrate examples of small well written packages that people may not otherwise encounter.

didiwiki-0.5-5.1-pup2.pet 20kB
pure_ftpd-1.0.22-2.pet 30kB
hiawatha-6.7.pet 94k

that is a whole lot of server for less than 150k.
Also kirks file sharing server depends on pure-ftpd.
Today I used PcurlFTP to connect to the puppylinux.org website
click on
Setup Sharing
Client OK
Manual OK
enter username, password and ip address of server

Bingo, this creates a rox appdir which will automatically mount the server filesystem when clicked on. Yes, I know this doesn't require putre_ftpd but it might not be in puppy without it.
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#100 Post by 8-bit »

When you click on the help icon, and click on the release notes for Puppy 4.2, you get "The file /usr/share/doc/release-4.2.htm cannot be found".
Must have been left out.
Also, I tried copying my frugal install pupsave file from 4.1.2 to the Puppy 4.2 frugal install directory and upon booting, it upgraded just fine with all my applications and additions intact.
This was after I had tried booting and pressing the space bar as Puppy 4.2 started to boot. When I did that, I was taken directly to the select keyboard screen, bypassing the select mouse one.
Needless to say, the mouse cursor did not respond and had to exit to the terminal to exit.
I picked DO NOT SAVE and rebooted. But it must have messed up something because even with loading my original pupsave the mouse still did not work.
Live and learn I guess.

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