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Puppy 4.2Beta Seamonkey Bugs & Fixes
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 01:21    Post_subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Alsaplayer+Streamtuner is 466kb pet
Aqualung + Streamtuner is 583.03 KB (without libsamplerate options)
Aqualung + Streamtuner + Libsamplerate is 685.66 KB (includes the libsamplerate lib and options enabled in the compile for libsamplerate)

AlsaPlayer + streamtuner by far is the smallest a min 110kb-220kb smaller than aqualung, depending which aqualung you choose. Plus at only 466kb its a heck of a nice package for the size Smile
Ok its up to you. You decide if you want one, just tell me which one and I'll change the mime's and quickly repackage it.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38590

Alsaplayer + Streamtuner. Not only is it the smallest but IMHO it also looks the easiest to use for refugees... and appears much more consistent with our other Gtk2 app. interfaces Cool


Ya its a great little player you can speed up or slow down your music 400% and make it sound funny, and it has visual scopes etc, which 175kb of the 466kb pet is streamtuner Smile and yes its uses default gtk2 icons Wink
I'll shutdown 4.2A4 now and boot up 4.2B1 Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 01:30    Post_subject:  

" The difference is basically being able to enjoy online audio streams"

Downloading now thanks to ttuuxxx link.

""""

I know that these things have been ranted on before WhoDo;
but after all this good work, why not release your 4.2 under 100 megs;
and give the plebs here an option of Puppy 4.2 CE Deluxe.

Add the 5 megs...2 megs ...whatever.

If low end computers need under 100 megs....fine.

But if the average user coming across from Windows
wants more, 5 megs more or less is nothing.

I mean have you heard of Windows updates?

""""""""""

OK! downloaded in under 10 minutes .Will test now.

We are in no screaming hurry here.
So many Puplets get released now, must easily be one a week.
So have a think WhoDo....give us an option.

Sure there are a lot of old comps around...........BUT.
I had to throw out 3 today....unfixable 4 me.

Some happy souls have already collected them.
One I gave a working 17" monitor and 4 Puppies
including Ecopup and the ACER One puplet.

So hardware dies and a great computer can be had
these days for $50 - $100.
I have given working Freebies before as well.
Why not?

Puppy is a great distro because of the free wheeling ideas
that come out. Some way out and weird (no need to praise me)
and some extremely nifty and practical thoughts.

So let's not put ourselves into a corner here.
Diversity....we have that.
Perversity is not what we need.
We want the showstopper.
Most shows give an option to upgrade your seat.
Even a circus does that.

Our price for that seat maybe a little performance loss.
But heaps of praise from end users.

""""""""""

"Seriously,
I have tried SO many distros over the last 5 years, I finally built a desktop because I couldn't get Linux config'd on my old laptops.

Then comes Puppy. Lean, Fast, and deals with my o
bscure USB broadband and funky video like its nothing. "

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38709

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Chris.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 02:00    Post_subject:  

Drives working great in Xorg and Xvesa.

I like that you have the personal toolbar on and java ticked as well.

All seems pretty snappy.
Amazing the time difference re bootup when you hit F2
and type puppy pfix=ram.

Seamonkey in Puppy is lightning compared to XP install.

Well done to all.

Chris.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 02:31    Post_subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
I know that these things have been ranted on before WhoDo; but after all this good work, why not release your 4.2 under 100 megs; and give the plebs here an option of Puppy 4.2 CE Deluxe.

Add the 5 megs...2 megs ...whatever.

I'm hearin' ya, Chris. What I'm aiming for, post RC1, is to produce at least 2 versions of Standard Puppy - one current kernel, one retro kernel - and then I'll entertain requests for a third "CE" edition with all the bells and whistles.

For the moment all I'm trying to achieve is the best bog standard Puppy we've ever produced, as a testament to Barry, saying "Relax, big guy ... your creation now has a life of its own."

After that, we'll see.

cthisbear wrote:
So have a think WhoDo....give us an option.

...[snip]... Puppy is a great distro because of the free wheeling ideas
that come out. ...[snip]... We want the showstopper. Most shows give an option to upgrade your seat. Even a circus does that.

The options will be there, no need to worry about that. At worst they'll be in the official repository available through PETget. However, like all good politicians (oxymoron) Rolling Eyes I'm being careful not to stray too far from the grass roots of our support - P1-P111+, 128Mb-256Mb RAM, 2Gb+ hdd or USB or CD/DVD.

It's important to remember that 4.2 DeepThought is NOT a Community Edition (CE); it's a standard edition the same (hopefully) as Barry would produce himself. CE's will follow if it's a strong enough base to build on. I'm betting it will spawn a whole generation of new Puplets, built on 4.2 using the Woof build system. Remember, you heard it first here! Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 02:38    Post_subject:  

Thanks for the Seamonkey comments Cthisbear, It tooka couple of weeks to figure-out how to get Seamonkey compiled/running right. Glad Its working the way it should.

Hey WhoDo ummmmmm found something, I switched to icewm, installed filezilla, Gimphoto and well When I went back to root, I could see that my applications was lit up, so I opened it and there sat a new 25MB folder called 'bin'. So I guess thats the first new 25MB bug, lol
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 03:12    Post_subject:  

WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon Smile here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 03:55    Post_subject:  

Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 03:55    Post_subject:  

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It's important to remember that 4.2 DeepThought is NOT a Community Edition (CE); it's a standard edition the same (hopefully) as Barry would produce himself.


Exactly.
From what I have experienced of the Beta and what Warren is saying, we will have

Puppy Standard (New Hardware) - Warren + team
Puppy Standard (Older Hardware) - Warren + team
Puppy Standard Enhanced - Warren
and possibly very soon after release a Barebones from Wolfpup

I see no reason why we could not have four official versions
Previously we had a 3 version release (3 different browsers) from Barry

I played with the Beta for a couple of hours last night - throwing it about quite a lot. Found it stable.
The spread of games in the beta is much better. Liked the checkers game - got thrashed. Crying or Very sad Look forward to having the standard icons (which I prefer) in the next release. There was talk of adding sound to X-soldier by accessing the C code but no one up for this? Hairy Will is on 'compassionate leave' after family neglect - anyone else up to C coding?

Coolpup, guys, we might consider a Press Release
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categoryusercontributions/puppy-42-release-notes
on the wiki for Beta/Release candidates for places such as:
http://www.linuxleak.com/

Ttuuxxx has done amazing and tireless work for those following this thread.

Well done guys. Looking good. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 04:14    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Thanks for the Seamonkey comments Cthisbear, It tooka couple of weeks to figure-out how to get Seamonkey compiled/running right. Glad Its working the way it should.

Hey WhoDo ummmmmm found something, I switched to icewm, installed filezilla, Gimphoto and well When I went back to root, I could see that my applications was lit up, so I opened it and there sat a new 25MB folder called 'bin'. So I guess thats the first new 25MB bug, lol
here's a pic of what was in. /root/my-applications/bin
ttuuxxx


ttuuxxx, I'm in 4.1.2 with ptray fully installed and my ~/myapplications/bin is 25M also. I don't think zigbert would have made this without balancing it out somewhere, you know his ideas on bloat Wink

BTW, in 4.2beta my ~/myapplications/bin dir is 19M, oh and there are icons missing...

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 04:21    Post_subject:  

Beta bugs:

1.)
When closing a side-tray (add widget/icon), the old tray (without close button) is still there. The reason is because side-tray code is still in /root/.jwmrc-tray. It should have been removed.

2.)
The Stardust gtk-theme is still the old one. You'll find it on the 'Stardust recourses' page.

3.)
The menuicon of Figaros password manager and Gxine is too wide.

4.)
Desktop icon 'Install' is a symlink and I think the icon is wrong. It should have been pointing to pet48.png.

5.)
The Icon_switcher does not keep the unique menu icons when changing icon theme. It auto-generates 24x24 icons out of the 48x48 icon theme. Like this it overwrites existing menu icons. I guess Barry made this to save space (the 24x24 icons didn't have to be in the iso).
Warren has to make a choice if he will support unique menu icons.

6.)
Yaf-splash welcome message shows up before widgets are loaded.

7.)
The fantastic pdf-printer is not in my printer list.

8.)
/etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc misses info to NOT show window-decoration for xli and xpad.
Quote:
<Group>
<Class>xli</Class>
<Name>xli</Name>
<Option>noborder</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
<Option>sticky</Option>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<!-- Option>layer:2</Option -->
</Group>


9.)
The trash and lock icon has a bit unlogical placement on the desktop.


10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password


11.)
The gxine doesn't work when streaming internet radios.
Here's Puppy 4.2:

and here is Puppy 4.12


12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore


13.)
fixmenus script fails to split name and description for
- Figaros password manager
- Rubix cube
- Manage printing
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 04:34    Post_subject:  

~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 04:42    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.


Ok so its suppose to be like that, sorry I didn't have any idea, its all new to me. I was hoping it was a 10MB compressed mistake Smile would of made some nice room in the distro Smile oh well

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:05    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
~/myapplications/bin contains only hardlinks generated by the fixmenus script.
Since this directory is used to drag programs/icons to desktop, symlinks is not the best chioce. The icons would then have (the ugly) symlink-arrow.

In building these hard links there is an error (x2) unable to hard link to directory, so there is something in there that is being seen as a directory and the hard links are not created. Confused

BTW - Thanks for the great report on the bugs. I'll go through them in detail before uploading Beta2/RC1. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:17    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon Smile here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.

Now that's really WEIRD because I check back over my Unleashed packages and rootfs-complete directories and what I have there in both places is the actual icon, not a link. Maybe .... I dunno. Just put it back and it will be fixed for the next release. *sheesh* Surprised

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:20    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.

I'd love to but it needs serious pruning first. As I said in the 'Known Issues' I had to leave it out because it contains 3Mb of documentation alone. Who knows what else could be pared from the package to get it down to the size of 3.29 (or less) Question

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