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Re: Xvesa

#201 Post by WhoDo »

jabu2 wrote:But Xorg works on all, so I don't know if it helps much to confirm Xvesa (ie if Xorg works, I assume that would be the choice, and Xvesa would be expected to work QED?)
Thanks for the test, jabu2. It's unlikely that Xvesa would not display if Xorg does, but it could happen that Xvesa shows some quirk or other like the one that prompted my request - continually rebooting into itself when shutdown is selected. Wierd stuff, I'll grant, but you can't be too careful. Thanks again for taking the time and the trouble to check. :wink:
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#202 Post by WhoDo »

hillside wrote:Ran XVesa on an old Dell Latitude laptop and an old custom built and rebuilt and rebuilt desktop. Everything was fine except on the laptop at certain resolutions the background didn't quite fill the entire screen. There was a gray strip about the width of an icon at the top of the screen. The gray area was perfectly functional except for the missing background.
Thanks, hillside. I'm guessing the "gray strip" was probably a problem with the old Dell Latitude's onboard graphics not being fully compatible with the new Xvesa driver at some resolutions and refresh rates. I'd say that's nothing to worry about at this point. Thanks for taking the time and the trouble to test. It is much appreciated. :wink:
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#203 Post by WhoDo »

ttuuxxx wrote:as abiword Plugin's go does anyone know what extra plugins we need, by default this is the list without any extra libs, Should I compile the extras ?
All I know is that Puppy 4.2 currently has aiksaurus-1.2.1 and enchant-1.3.0-1 in its build. The dependency checker in Unleashed keeps pointing out the missing liblink-grammar dependency, but the current version seems to run ok.

I don't know if other programs require those packages, but it may help you to know they're there and work out what to do. After all, if you compile in the later versions I may be able to get rid of both ... or not?

Abiword-2.6.3 is 7756kb uncompressed. Add to that the English dictionary at 2472kb and plug-ins at 2220kb and it is quite a hefty slice of our available space. Here is the list of plug-ins for the current version:

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libAbiAikSaurus.so
libAbiAikSaurus.so.0
libAbiApplix.so
libAbiBabelfish.so
libAbiBMP.so
libAbiClarisWorks.so
libAbiCommand.so
libAbiDocBook.so
libAbiEML.so
libAbiFreeTranslation.so
libAbiGdict.so
libAbiGimp.so
libAbiGoogle.so
libAbiGrammar.so
libAbiHancom.so
libAbiHRText.so
libAbiISCII.so
libAbiJPEG.so
libAbiKWord.so
libAbiLaTeX.so
libAbiMIF.so
libAbiMSWrite.so
libAbiNroff.so
libAbiOpenDocument.so
libAbiOpenWriter.so
libAbiOPML.so
libAbiPalmDoc.so
libAbiPassepartout.so
libAbiPDF.so
libAbiRSVG.so
libAbiScriptHappy.so
libAbiSDW.so
libAbiT602.so
libAbiURLDict.so
libAbiWikipedia.so
libAbiWML.so
libAbiXHTML.so
libAbiXSLFO.so
libLoadBindings.so
libPresentation.so
Hope that helps.
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Flash wrote:I came in late on the Shutdown menu dispute. I'm not sure what it's all about. I hope what I'm saying here doesn't make you mad. :) It's a relatively minor thing, but I think it would be worth fixing if fixing it is easy.
The point is that it's a matter of differing opinion as to whether it requires "fixing" at all, Flash. Zigbert is a fan of the minimalist approach. ttuuxxx likes a bit more colour. The middle road is probably the best but on this occasion I specifically asked ttuuxxx to produce the same shutdown dialog for JWM as he produced for Icewm. That said, and despite his very plausible arguments against Zigbert's criticism of too much "bloat", I do think ttuuxxx overreacted to what was really only a difference of opinion however hurtful he perceived that opinion to be.
Flash wrote:After I begin the shutdown of a multisession DVD, it is not possible to return to the desktop. Once I tell Puppy to shut down, if everything doesn't go right within the DVD drive the only alternative is to turn off the computer, losing everything I wanted to save. :( I have to say that Puppy improved so rapidly from the beginning that no such loss has happened to me in years. Still, it would be a comfort to know that I could change my mind and go back to the desktop at any stage before Puppy actually attempts to save to the DVD -- or even after, if Puppy realizes that the attempt to save was unsuccessful.
That is part of the reason for the shutdown dialog. It contains a cancel option to let you change your mind if you suddenly decide to save something manually first. The underlying problem is of more concern to me. We have adopted a "fix" suggested by MU to comment out a "killall X -9" command at the end of the shutdown script, which should ensure that situation doesn't arise. The command was a hangover from Puppy 1.7 I believe.

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#205 Post by disciple »

Hi, is there still room for straightforward changes?
I haven't got any of the RC's, but I noticed in 4.1.x there is no program set to open .docbook files (which Abiword can open fine).
For that matter, does anyone know if there has been any fixing of file associations generally? Puppy has recently had all sorts of silly things, like clicking on code files tries to open vi or something... And a bunch of really common filetypes don't even have their mime types set up.
File associations have needed a good tidy up for a while, but it is hard to do anything unless the relevant parts of Puppy are in some sort of proper repository :(
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#206 Post by ttuuxxx »

ok this is the english only abiword, just like how Barry made it in the past, but its 170kb larger than the current release because I included enchant with it. :)
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... efault.pet
you'll still need the extras
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=15981
and the plugins which I haven't finished yet
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#207 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hey WhoDo you know one aspect I don't like about the shutdown, Is that when you go to shutdown, and the window manager exits, and you get a prompt screen about saving the files or not, It also would be nice to have a exit to prompt or a return to the current window manager, You should be able to have a choice. Kind of like Flash said but different, If I knew where that dialog is and the name of it, I could alter it.
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#208 Post by esmourguit »

Bonjour,
esmourguit wrote:
Bonjour,
@ ttuuxxx
Having localized 3 files in the directory /usr/local/petget, can you give me the changes you've made, if they were made in one of these files :
check_deps.sh, installpreview.sh, pkg_chooser.sh, to update them.
Cordialement Wink
ttuuxxx wrote
it was petget that has been changed lines 467,468, now states
HOWEVER, you need to 'Refresh Menus' to see it
(just above the Shutdown button in the menu)
you won't have to worry about the extra servers, since they are url names:)
ttuuxxx
So I changed the lines 467 and 468 in the en.mo and fr.mo files, but I also changed the lines 1631 to 1664 in the /usr/sbin/petget localized file.
Thank you in advance to test this localized file.
Cordialement ;)

Edit i modified petget localized file.
Today 03 19, edited once more. fixed /usr/sbin/petget. Download here.
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disciple wrote:Hi, is there still room for straightforward changes?
I haven't got any of the RC's, but I noticed in 4.1.x there is no program set to open .docbook files (which Abiword can open fine).
For that matter, does anyone know if there has been any fixing of file associations generally? Puppy has recently had all sorts of silly things, like clicking on code files tries to open vi or something... And a bunch of really common filetypes don't even have their mime types set up.
File associations have needed a good tidy up for a while, but it is hard to do anything unless the relevant parts of Puppy are in some sort of proper repository :(
You find 'em, I'll fix 'em. :P Best advice is to download RC2 and go hunting. I know that coolpup is beavering away in the background looking for incongruities and wasted space, but ATM no-one is specifically checking for obvious mime-type problems. I just went through and adjusted all the graphics mime-types to open with gpicview by default. That should work ok because RoxRightClicks gives the option to edit in mtPaint, etc.

All advice gratefully accepted, disciple. Now that RC3 is all but ready to upload - I'm only waiting for pa_mcclamrock's Remaster Express package - there is some time to do the cleanup and polish. I'm also taking suggestions on the desktop icons visible at boot, and where they are as well as what they're called.
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ttuuxxx wrote:ok this is the english only abiword, just like how Barry made it in the past, but its 170kb larger than the current release because I included enchant with it. :)
Does that mean I can drop the existing enchant package? That's 116kb so the net increase would only be 54kb if that's possible.
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ttuuxxx wrote:Hey WhoDo you know one aspect I don't like about the shutdown, Is that when you go to shutdown, and the window manager exits, and you get a prompt screen about saving the files or not, It also would be nice to have a exit to prompt or a return to the current window manager, You should be able to have a choice. Kind of like Flash said but different, If I knew where that dialog is and the name of it, I could alter it.
Maybe this is the clue, ttuuxxx?

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#!/bin/sh

/etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown

exec /bin/busybox poweroff
That's a script called poweroff in /sbin and it looks from that as though /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown is the script you might be looking for.

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#212 Post by Lobster »

I'm also taking suggestions on the desktop icons visible at boot, and where they are as well as what they're called.
The original set (colour) and their positions work well.
With Stardust and Deep Thought, quick identifying does not as easily
allow for choice by colour. Though of course they are very stylish as is the black-grey icon set
I noticed the original set were gone from rc2
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Lobster wrote:I noticed the original set were gone from rc2
Of course you did! :lol: Would it surprise you to know that Deep Thought (the icon set, nothing else) and JQ8FlatLite will also be gone from RC3? :P

I'm replacing Deep Thought with l'Orange for RC3. It causes fewer problems for the desktop icon switcher. The others will all be in the repository for a quick install, but they need too much fiddly work to make them compliant with the icon switcher and I don't have the time left for that. Find me about 350kb of space and you can have "Original" back too, ok? :roll: :wink:
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#214 Post by ttuuxxx »

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:ok this is the english only abiword, just like how Barry made it in the past, but its 170kb larger than the current release because I included enchant with it. :)
Does that mean I can drop the existing enchant package? That's 116kb so the net increase would only be 54kb if that's possible.
Yes thats what it means:)
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#215 Post by Lobster »

The version of Abiword in RC2
I opened it - added an image - right clicked on and it crashes - had to use Open Office - so hope new compile works :)

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Lobster wrote:The version of Abiword in RC2
I opened it - added an image - right clicked on and it crashes - had to use Open Office - so hope new compile works :)

Looking forward to rc3
Yep. Just repeated the problem in Puppy-4.12! :( Abiword hasn't changed in 4.2 so the new compile might just be what we need!
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#217 Post by trio »

tasmod wrote:WhoDo,

Blinky again. Installed RC2 on another machine and it was there no problem.

Changed theme and it vanished. Checked jwm-tray and could see it was 'bold' as if altered. Sure enough, blinky delayed missing from blinky line.

Just thought I'd let you know what happened.

Rob
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Just reminding you of this..maybe you put the "theme-switcher" fix..but not along with blinkydelayed line in .jwmrc-tray? ... I am not using rc2 ...you know..cannot get my wireless to work correctly (even with rc1 pup_save)...I'll wait for rc3 instead..

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#218 Post by Ray MK »

Hi - some observations.

1)Xvesa - seems to be ok in all the usual basic operations
that I would normally use. (file management, browsing, etc)
In fact used it a lot when running HOT (pfix=ram)(no pup_save)
It's much quicker to set up than Xorg.

2)Seamonkey - in Xvesa and possibly also Xorg (not tested yet)
will not download to a location (ie /mnt/home/Dld/) it insists
on downloading to pup_save.2fs - have not noticed this before.

I normally download using Opera (usually more reliable IMO)
but have often used Seamonkey in other Puppy's with no prob's.
Naturally have set-up "Edit/preferences/download" in seamonkey
prior to downloading.

3)Pup_save file size - have noticed that even though I clear
cache, history, cookies etc, frequently - the pup_save file
size keeps getting progressively smaller.
It only seems to happen with seamonkey - not when Opera.sfs
or Opera.pet are in use.
This seems to happen in all Puppy's and Puplets with all flavours
of seamonkey. (ie 1.1.11 - 1.1.14 - ttuuxxxMonkey in 4.2rc2)

4)WhiteOut's - could they cause above file size space usage growth ?

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#219 Post by ttuuxxx »

hey WhoDo this is one for your personal notes about abiword, out of the box Barry's included these extra plugins
libAbiAikSaurus.so
libAbiAikSaurus.so.0
libAbiGrammar.so
libAbiPalmDoc.so
libAbiScriptHappy.so
Thats what I get when I compared the plugins you showed me and what puppy can provide without any extra packages,
Plus this version will have openXML, which I didn't see on your list and a couple extra, too bad we did have more space I compiled the microsoft works but didn't install it, I just wanted see the size of the library, it was 4400kb lib then I stripped it and it ended up around 450kb,lol thats not bad to support all all versions of microsoft works. Anyways it won't be a part of the package, same with WordPerfect is another set which could of been handy, oh well off to find these missing libs and trying to figure out that image thing, must be a missing plugin.
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#220 Post by ttuuxxx »

Here's the latest Murga-linux.com bottom banner add, I bet it won't get much clicks from the forum,LOL
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