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4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail
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Doglover

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb 2009, 11:34    Post subject:  4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail
Subject description: Why did Claws install?
 

Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb 2009, 17:55    Post subject: Re: 4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail
Subject description: Why did Claws install?
 

Doglover wrote:
Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.


Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro. If you know where your emails are located you can import them. If you can wait a couple of weeks then I'll have a full version built for the repo and you can upgrade, or you could just install the older version from the repo using the package manager that should install just fine.
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DMcCunney

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb 2009, 19:25    Post subject: Re: 4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail
Subject description: Why did Claws install?
 

ttuuxxx wrote:
Doglover wrote:
Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.

Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro.

Which is splendid for a new user, but shafts an existing one trying to upgrade. This is a bad idea.

If you insist on making a change like this, an upgrade should detect that it is an upgrade, warn the user it will replace an existing program like Seamonkey, and give them an option on how to proceed.

"Upgrades" that break existing setups with no warning should never see the light of day.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb 2009, 19:37    Post subject: Re: 4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail
Subject description: Why did Claws install?
 

DMcCunney wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Doglover wrote:
Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.

Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro.

Which is splendid for a new user, but shafts an existing one trying to upgrade. This is a bad idea.

If you insist on making a change like this, an upgrade should detect that it is an upgrade, warn the user it will replace an existing program like Seamonkey, and give them an option on how to proceed.

"Upgrades" that break existing setups with no warning should never see the light of day.
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Dennis


Seamonkey first and foremost is a browser, Can you browse?
the system is not broken, Can you boot? Yes then Its not broken. And if you been reading the development of 4.2 you would of known that it uses claws mail as default. Barry's done this in the past a few times, So its common practice.
As long as you can import your files, then why even complain in the first place.Seamonkey and ClawsMail use the same format, so you export your files with seamonkey and you import your files with Claws mail, I don't see anything broken here.
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Doglover

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Feb 2009, 22:56    Post subject: Re: Seamonkey
Subject description: Never used Claws
 

Hi ttuuxxx, thanks for replying, I had no idea that Claws would install over Seamonkey mail, and just was irked in the moment. I did find the archived emails and all is well. Smile

Sorry to sound peeved.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Feb 2009, 23:26    Post subject: Re: Seamonkey
Subject description: Never used Claws
 

Doglover wrote:
Hi ttuuxxx, thanks for replying, I had no idea that Claws would install over Seamonkey mail, and just was irked in the moment. I did find the archived emails and all is well. Smile

Sorry to sound peeved.

Thats good to hear, Feels like everyone is complaining about something or other, I'm just trying to give people the most they can get in 100MB distro with smaller resources. Its like a juggling act.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Mar 2009, 18:28    Post subject:  

What is the status of 4.2-Final please?

I have a bunch of projects waiting on it as I have high hopes that it will solve multiple nagging problems here.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Mar 2009, 20:20    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
What is the status of 4.2-Final please?

I have a bunch of projects waiting on it as I have high hopes that it will solve multiple nagging problems here.

I would say maybe 1 more week, we have some issues that need ironing out. But until then if your using a earlier version. Here's the latest Seamonkey with Mail Smile I compiled it up a few days ago, Smile
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http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/puppy420/RC3/seamonkey-1.1.14-1.pet
usrer name: puppy
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you'll probably have to type it twice Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Mar 2009, 23:14    Post subject:  

Thanks!

Will try to give it a try tomorrow ... too late in the day here now ... Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Mar 2009, 11:36    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
Thanks!

Will try to give it a try tomorrow ... too late in the day here now ... Smile


Well tomorrow came and went, lol so did you give it a whirl?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 11:18    Post subject:  

Sorry, been kinda nuts here ... just loaded it ... restarting X now ...
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 11:33    Post subject:  

OK, loaded and working fine on 4.12-Normal Frugal.

Only differences I observe are a link to MonkeyMenu in the toolbar and it feels a little faster.

Disappointment: It does not import prior settings during the install, or even ask to. Upgrades that fail to do this will be massively confusing to
new users - it is also very inconvenient to experienced users who have to cease from productivity to manually import their old Address Book, Bookmarks, Folders, Filters, and Settings for Web, Mail, etc. Can this be addressed at some point? I now have to do this manual update myself as I ran the new Seamonkey on my most-used laptop without thinking.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 12:03    Post subject:  

yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 12:33    Post subject:  

It just occurred to me that the failure to pick up prior settings may be unique to those of us who customized our Web settings for maximum portability (duplication as well as archiving).

I used "New Howto for Frugals" from CatDude - it uses a Linux partition - creates a directory on sdb2 (mounted to /root/dudesdata) called: Mozilla_Profiles then, AFTER doing the dudesdata business (and rebooting) Seamonkey is opened and NEW profile created in there (he called that profile GoodOrder)

Whenever a new Puppy version is installed one opens Seamonkey and creates a new profile (with the name GoodOrder)

SO - my DUMB PILL - I FORGOT! Embarassed

Cannot find my printed copy of precisely how I set mine up so I will have to muddle through and figure out what I called things and where I put them ... sigh.

Perhaps all of this might be automated so everyone has a nebefit of a more portable Seamonkey?

It is true that much of this flowed from the problems with the Personal Storage File and some other thing not managing storage well - I seem to recall that such was repaired in 4.2 so this may all be moot.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Mar 2009, 12:36    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
ttuuxxx


You mean there is no provision in Seamonkey to import the contents of an existing address book, bookmarks, mail folders, and preferences, etc. without losing updated features?

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