4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail

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4.2 upgrade broke my Seamonkey mail

#1 Post by Doglover »

Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.

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Doglover wrote:Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.
Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro. If you know where your emails are located you can import them. If you can wait a couple of weeks then I'll have a full version built for the repo and you can upgrade, or you could just install the older version from the repo using the package manager that should install just fine.
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ttuuxxx wrote:
Doglover wrote:Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.
Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro.
Which is splendid for a new user, but shafts an existing one trying to upgrade. This is a bad idea.

If you insist on making a change like this, an upgrade should detect that it is an upgrade, warn the user it will replace an existing program like Seamonkey, and give them an option on how to proceed.

"Upgrades" that break existing setups with no warning should never see the light of day.
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DMcCunney wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Doglover wrote:Upgrade from 4.1.2 to 4.2 removed Seamonkey from default to Claws.... now I have to hunt for my emails. Who decided this?

The upgrade should have left my desktop alone. I am almost sorry I did.

The only upside is that Bon Echo doesn't crash anymore.
Well actually Barry did a test, comparing the size difference and it was over 2MB compressed, Thats a lot of space when your talking about a 99MB or less distro.
Which is splendid for a new user, but shafts an existing one trying to upgrade. This is a bad idea.

If you insist on making a change like this, an upgrade should detect that it is an upgrade, warn the user it will replace an existing program like Seamonkey, and give them an option on how to proceed.

"Upgrades" that break existing setups with no warning should never see the light of day.
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Seamonkey first and foremost is a browser, Can you browse?
the system is not broken, Can you boot? Yes then Its not broken. And if you been reading the development of 4.2 you would of known that it uses claws mail as default. Barry's done this in the past a few times, So its common practice.
As long as you can import your files, then why even complain in the first place.Seamonkey and ClawsMail use the same format, so you export your files with seamonkey and you import your files with Claws mail, I don't see anything broken here.
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Hi ttuuxxx, thanks for replying, I had no idea that Claws would install over Seamonkey mail, and just was irked in the moment. I did find the archived emails and all is well. :)

Sorry to sound peeved.

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Doglover wrote:Hi ttuuxxx, thanks for replying, I had no idea that Claws would install over Seamonkey mail, and just was irked in the moment. I did find the archived emails and all is well. :)

Sorry to sound peeved.
Thats good to hear, Feels like everyone is complaining about something or other, I'm just trying to give people the most they can get in 100MB distro with smaller resources. Its like a juggling act.
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#7 Post by edoc »

What is the status of 4.2-Final please?

I have a bunch of projects waiting on it as I have high hopes that it will solve multiple nagging problems here.
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edoc wrote:What is the status of 4.2-Final please?

I have a bunch of projects waiting on it as I have high hopes that it will solve multiple nagging problems here.
I would say maybe 1 more week, we have some issues that need ironing out. But until then if your using a earlier version. Here's the latest Seamonkey with Mail :) I compiled it up a few days ago, :)
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#9 Post by edoc »

Thanks!

Will try to give it a try tomorrow ... too late in the day here now ... :-)
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edoc wrote:Thanks!

Will try to give it a try tomorrow ... too late in the day here now ... :-)
Well tomorrow came and went, lol so did you give it a whirl?
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Sorry, been kinda nuts here ... just loaded it ... restarting X now ...
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#12 Post by edoc »

OK, loaded and working fine on 4.12-Normal Frugal.

Only differences I observe are a link to MonkeyMenu in the toolbar and it feels a little faster.

Disappointment: It does not import prior settings during the install, or even ask to. Upgrades that fail to do this will be massively confusing to
new users - it is also very inconvenient to experienced users who have to cease from productivity to manually import their old Address Book, Bookmarks, Folders, Filters, and Settings for Web, Mail, etc. Can this be addressed at some point? I now have to do this manual update myself as I ran the new Seamonkey on my most-used laptop without thinking.
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#13 Post by ttuuxxx »

yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
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#14 Post by edoc »

It just occurred to me that the failure to pick up prior settings may be unique to those of us who customized our Web settings for maximum portability (duplication as well as archiving).

I used "New Howto for Frugals" from CatDude - it uses a Linux partition - creates a directory on sdb2 (mounted to /root/dudesdata) called: Mozilla_Profiles then, AFTER doing the dudesdata business (and rebooting) Seamonkey is opened and NEW profile created in there (he called that profile GoodOrder)

Whenever a new Puppy version is installed one opens Seamonkey and creates a new profile (with the name GoodOrder)

SO - my DUMB PILL - I FORGOT! :oops:

Cannot find my printed copy of precisely how I set mine up so I will have to muddle through and figure out what I called things and where I put them ... sigh.

Perhaps all of this might be automated so everyone has a nebefit of a more portable Seamonkey?

It is true that much of this flowed from the problems with the Personal Storage File and some other thing not managing storage well - I seem to recall that such was repaired in 4.2 so this may all be moot.
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ttuuxxx wrote:yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
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You mean there is no provision in Seamonkey to import the contents of an existing address book, bookmarks, mail folders, and preferences, etc. without losing updated features?
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edoc wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:yes but you'll going to lose your bookmarks, monkey menus, custom font sizes, wep page quick links, just delete /root/.mozilla <--- hidden folers and it should startup all those import files etc, but backup your bookmarks or they will be gone. Thats why I don't include it they way you wanted it, Firefox is different the way that stuff can be setup is in /usr/libs/firefox but seamonkey is in .mozilla, good luck
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You mean there is no provision in Seamonkey to import the contents of an existing address book, bookmarks, mail folders, and preferences, etc. without losing updated features?
The easiest way would be copying those 4 files/folders over to the new one. I don't use any of those features, I just use gmail, online and thats it.

but If you want to know how to do it and what the files are name, look at this page. Near the bottom.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releas ... stallation


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#17 Post by edoc »

Gee ... more confessions of being dumb ...

I dug back though my Puppy Forum Sent Folder and found my post to CatDude where I described how I had done things and how I understood the process for a Seamonkey Upgrade - and there was the SIMPLE solution.

Create a new profile
Call it "portablemozilla"
Select the folder /mnt/sda2/savestuff1/Mozilla_Profiles
Use that profile

That's it!
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#18 Post by edoc »

Should I be concerned about this Warning from Seamonkey?
Warning! You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.14), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes.

We encourage you to download the newer version linked in the download box at the right to be safe from known vulnerabilities and be able to use the newest features in a stable SeaMonkey release.

If you get this message despite having installed SeaMonkey 1.1.15 already, you might want to try resetting your user agent string to the default.
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#19 Post by ttuuxxx »

edoc wrote:Should I be concerned about this Warning from Seamonkey?
Warning! You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.14), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes.

We encourage you to download the newer version linked in the download box at the right to be safe from known vulnerabilities and be able to use the newest features in a stable SeaMonkey release.

If you get this message despite having installed SeaMonkey 1.1.15 already, you might want to try resetting your user agent string to the default.
when I read the difference of 1.14 and 1.15 it was mostly for flash 5&6 and we are using 9, and also they fixed the print preview, which I already fixed myself last month :) I wouldn't worry much about that whenever I already read something about Seamonkey 1.17 being out, and 1.15 only came out today, I think I might wait a week or 2 and then maybe compile what ever is out then, because it takes around 8hrs to get everything compiled/setup the way you sea it. I might do it sooner maybe for 4.2. But WhoDo is talking about making a final release this weekend so that doesn't give me much time.
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#20 Post by edoc »

OK, thanks!

Will get out of your Inbox so that you may attend to 4.2-Final!

:-)
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