Puppy 4.2 RC3 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes

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#261 Post by Aitch »

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.
Nice idea, Rob, shame it can't be implemented, as 'over 128Mb ram', & 'under 128Mb ram' options as default

Or can it, devs....WhoDo?

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#262 Post by trio »

@ecomoney

pwidgets doesn't work in icewm? I never had that problem...please be specific what doesn't work..

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#263 Post by ecomoney »

Its quite simple, moving the mouse to the sides of the screen doesnt bring out the "pop-out" boxes. I have tried it on two different machines, both completely fresh frugal installs. Sorry for "Does not work" term ;-)
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#264 Post by WhoDo »

ecomoney wrote:Its quite simple, moving the mouse to the sides of the screen doesnt bring out the "pop-out" boxes. I have tried it on two different machines, both completely fresh frugal installs. Sorry for "Does not work" term ;-)
Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.

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#265 Post by sata80 »

ttuuxxx wrote:
sata80 wrote:I have used Puppy 4.20 from alpha stage, no major problems.
Just downloaded RC4.
I didn't find RC4 treath, if this is in wrong place please move or remove.

In welcome message it says "A readout in taskbar shows how much working space left in RAM.", i don't get that reading in there. See picture. Haven't tested that in earlier versions.

When i do following: boot pfix=ram, stop widgets, close side trays.
Blinky appears top left of screen. See picture. Not happened earlier.

When i started pwidgets again, it appears in lower left corner. See picture. Not happened in earlier releases.

EDIT:
There is empty buttons in top bar. See picture.
Can you try this version of blinky and freememory and report back if it fixes your issues, just install the package and 'Refresh' your menu. :)
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Blinky does that only when pfix=ram and frugal. I don't know how to test it because it doesn't happen next boot with pup_save.2fs. Pwidgets jumpd wrong place also on first boot from CD with pfix=ram. I didn't find RC4 treat because it wasn't in next Puppy developement sub forum.

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#266 Post by ecomoney »

Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.
Ahh..that would be why then! Thanks for the explaination.

Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default? It sure is handy. Apparently it can be made quite "mac-like"? for that extra "bling", though I understand jwm is for older machines so that wouldnt be appropriate there.

Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?
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#267 Post by WhoDo »

sata80 wrote:I didn't find RC4 treat because it wasn't in next Puppy developement sub forum.
The RC4 thread is here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40158
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#268 Post by ttuuxxx »

ecomoney wrote:
Those "pop-out" boxes are actually JWM trays. That's why you don't get them in Icewm. The Pwidgets manager is available from menu > Desktop which isn't as convenient, I know, but if you decide to implement Wbar in Icewm you could have the best of both worlds.
Ahh..that would be why then! Thanks for the explaination.

Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default? It sure is handy. Apparently it can be made quite "mac-like"? for that extra "bling", though I understand jwm is for older machines so that wouldnt be appropriate there.

Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?
You can install Wbar into anything, works fine in Icewm, but I'm kind of on a negative bling trip, So I wouldn't want that in the default puppy, but after 4.2 is out I could make you a wbar addon package for Icewm.
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#269 Post by WhoDo »

ecomoney wrote:Could wbar in icewm be implemented by default?
No. Not enough room as it is. I debated this in my own mind early on and came to the conclusion that it served no additional purpose. In Icewm you already have a Quick Launch menu that is opened by clicking on the up arrow on the task bar. That's the next best thing IMHO. Also it is more Window$-like to use the Icewm toolbar file to put the most commonly used programs on the taskbar itself -:arrow: see my how to on the wiki under EZpup Help for instructions.
ecomoney wrote:Any decisions/code snippets re the memory check/default WM?
I only vaguely remember you mentioning something like this as an idea but I have had so much stuff go through my head with 4.2 that I no longer have any idea what you are talking about. Sorry. :oops:
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#270 Post by ecomoney »

It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.
No matter whodo, its from about a page up
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wireless in 4.2 rc3

#271 Post by baggins »

EDIT.... THIS SHOULD BE IN RC4.. SORRY

Hi Guys, well done it looks great.

I still have a major problem with wifi. The card is a bcm4318 -- other distros (including puppy up to 4.0) use the b43 driver. I can't get it to work in puppy. I've downloaded it from the horses mouth and cut it previously with fwcutter but I don't know where to put the results in this distro. The b43 shipped onboard doesn't work. the interface will not come up. "ifconfig wlan0 up" tells me

SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory.

iwconfig shows the interface is there.

wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:""
Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated
Tx-Power=0 dBm
Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B
Encryption key:off
Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0

Any more info you want I got. I hope this is just a blip- I've been waiting quite a while and it looks too good to miss out on.

:)
PS I blacklisted bcm43xx already
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#272 Post by WhoDo »

ecomoney wrote:
It would perhaps be logical, as a compromise and "best of both worlds" solution to the "bling or no bling" issue to do a quick check of available memory on the computerat bootup Make fresh installs (i.e. no pup_save.2fs) on computers with more than 128mb of RAM default to IceWM (with pwidgets) as their window manager (for "bling"). Less then that and puppy 4.2 loads JWM with no Pwidgets (for speed).

That way, new puppy users with newer computers can be impressed by the looks (bling?) of Puppy, while new puppy users with older computers will be impressed its speed (and the fact it boots at all). Either way I know they are going to be impressed.
No matter whodo, its from about a page up
Interesting idea, but probably not feasible at this stage of the 4.2 development program. I'm sure there would be a way to do that, manipulating the windowmanager and 0_show_widgets files according to detected RAM size, but it's not a project for 4.2 ATM. Sorry.
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