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bones01

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PostPosted: Fri 08 May 2009, 19:18    Post subject:  What Bible programs are available?  

Hi all,

I'm trying to find an effective and usable Bible program. Currently, I'm running choicepup 4.12 which works well. However, I can't get into Bibledesktop with the sfs, and now the link is dead - http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=274808.

I'd also like to try bibletime, but can't find a .pet or .sfs file for these. Is there one available yet?

Still trying to configure wine and e-Sword, but that's not going well. Confused

Have downloaded xiphos (gnomesword) as a tar.gz, but don't know what to do with it.

How can one person have so many questions???? Rolling Eyes

If anyone can help, or point me in the right direction, that would be very much appreciated. e-Sword is pretty much the only thing keeping me on windows on my laptop.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Fri 08 May 2009, 23:36    Post subject:  

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Still trying to configure wine and e-Sword, but that's not going well.

Run winecfg
add e-sword under "applications" and select it
click on the libraries tag, and add overrides (native,builtin) for richedit20 and richedit32
copy richedit20 and richedit32 from your Windows installation to the e-Sword folder.

It should then work. You might not even need the Windows dlls with the latest Wine - IIRC there's been a bit of work on richedit since my Wine came out.

Let me know if it doesn't work, as I have an alternative plan.

In terms of the Sword project:
- plinej or someone made a really lightweight "psword", although it may be too basic for your needs.
- I imagine some of the Windows Sword frontends may work with Wine.
- I'm going to try looking at the gtk and wxgtk frontends for Sword soon, although they aren't actively developed.
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I discovered that all I needed to do is download and unzip Bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz into a directory. Then make the included Bibledesktop.sh executable and the latest version 1.6 works perfectly.

- From what someone said elsewhere it sounds like you can also just download and extract alkitab (the other java sword frontend) and it runs fine.
- I think (but don't know) that people running Gnomesword in Puppy get a package from Slackware or another distro. You would need to install Gnome first (there are Gnome .sfss)
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Have downloaded xiphos (gnomesword) as a tar.gz

From where? It is probably a source package, in which case you would have to compile it.

BTW I presume you are aware of the Churchpup and Living Waters puplets?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 04:40    Post subject:  

Wait... I didn't realise there was a new version of e-sword out. What I said should work for 7.x and 8.x
But I think I also needed to use the Windows msls31.dll

Looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404042 it seems to be more complicated for 9.x

Personally I prefer 7.x. It looks like there are some improvements in esword 9 but I think the 7.x way of navigating the bible is best.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 07:28    Post subject:  

FYI information I just compiled xsword, which is tiny, but quite basic http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=303610#303610
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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 09:49    Post subject:  

If you still want to try Bibletime look at my posts on this thread http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34664&start=75 which suggests how to install it. It is easily installed on the pup version that you are using.

A Xiphos installation requires a Gnome desktop and is more difficult to install.

Another possibility is Alkitab see http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html which, like BibleDesktop is java based and simple to install.

However, if you don't want to try installing them yourself, Churchpup and Living Water are both to be updated soon, and I believe that both will have Bibletime.

Personally, I love E-sword in Windows, but although I prefer Linux, I don't like running Wine under Linux. One big advantage is that E-sword has some modern translations available for a fee, that are not available with open source software. Of course for those translations, you can always use Internet bible links where you can usually find your favorites.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 12:55    Post subject:  

Building your own searchable database.

If you have the flat text files with meaningful file
names and chapter and verse, a script could be
written to quickly locate about anything you want.

I couldn't locate a common Linux / Unix program
called look. The reason why is look is too broad a
search criteria.

So . . .

. . . I made my own word list based on some files I
downloaded.

Then wrote my script. Now finding words and their
precise spelling is virtually instantaneous.

I think in this case I'd find Bible in text then make my
own search scripts.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 18:34    Post subject:  

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I think in this case I'd find Bible in text then make my
own search scripts.

Incidentally, I once considered writing a clone of the windows NASB Quickbible, which just uses a plain text file with each verse on a new line... it would have been technically in violation of the license agreement, but not of the spirit of it, which is really to prevent you from converting the text to use in something like esword, which can do a lot more complicated stuff with it, rather than buying a license for something to do more complicated stuff with it.

Jim1911 wrote:
I don't like running Wine under Linux

Why not?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 22:27    Post subject:  

It's much easier to just boot into XP Pro on my dual boot system than it is to bother with Wine.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 May 2009, 03:30    Post subject:  

It might be easier, but I imagine you'd save time in the long run if you spent quarter of an hour setting it up in Wine, after which it would just work Smile

BTW one thing we didn't discuss is using e-sword from your Windows installation. A lot of people talk about copying the modules across from their windows installation. My windows is Win98, and if I run esword in Wine with Win98 compatibility, I can just replace the esword program folder with a link to the one in Windows. I think in later Windows the esword program folder is separate from the data folder (i.e. under "Documents and Settings"), and I'm guessing you could do a similar thing, but I haven't tried it.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 May 2009, 17:09    Post subject:  

disciple wrote:
Wait... I didn't realise there was a new version of e-sword out. What I said should work for 7.x and 8.x
But I think I also needed to use the Windows msls31.dll

Looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404042 it seems to be more complicated for 9.x

Personally I prefer 7.x. It looks like there are some improvements in esword 9 but I think the 7.x way of navigating the bible is best.


Thanks Disciple (& everyone else) for your suggestions.

I may have been aiming too high with e-sword 9.x, so I'll try one of the older versions and see if I have any luck there. I'll have another look at the ubuntu forum and see what more I can find there too.

I do have a copy of the Living Water puplet but wanted the added flexibility of choicepup. Maybe I need to sacrifice one to gain the other. Will try again.

Thanks for your help.

Bones

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PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2009, 02:31    Post subject:  

That Ubuntu page had a script to set up esword, and IIRC someone posted there that it works in Puppy too. So when I said 9.x looks like it is more complicated to set up, I didn't mean that it isn't still quite straightforward, I just meant that there was more to be done.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2009, 09:04    Post subject:  

Hi Disciple,

Today I have had some success. Finally, I have e-sword up and running. The only thing different is using an older e-sword I still had on my desktop, and updating that to 8.x

I also checked on both richedit dll's that you mentioned. Perhaps that made the difference as well.

Anyway, while I'll still be interested to try Bibletime & bibledesktop, now that e-sword is running, I feel free at last.

Thanks for your help and referrals.

Bones

PS. I do have Living Water puplet with BibleDesktop, but when I added the Strong's codes, they went haywire. Numbers were there, but they didn't match Strongs. Very confusing.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2009, 23:43    Post subject: I spoke too soon about my success  

Last night (my time in Aus) I had e-Sword up and running. I was very excited. I even added some modules and they worked. Fantastic.

Today, I have nothing.

When i went to 'winecfg', e-Sword wasn't even listed! But it's still on the system.

What could possibly have changed between shutting down overnight and opening up this morning? I did add another module, but if that's the problem, I have no idea how to delete it if I can't get into e-Sword to do so.

oh well, back to a book with pages i suppose.

Bones

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PostPosted: Tue 12 May 2009, 01:20    Post subject:  

Sad Weird - I've never heard of anything like that happening. I guess the wine registry file must have become corrupted or deleted or something. If it is just the dll overrides that are missing it shouldn't be so bad to fix though.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 May 2009, 18:44    Post subject:  

disciple wrote:
Sad Weird - I've never heard of anything like that happening. I guess the wine registry file must have become corrupted or deleted or something. If it is just the dll overrides that are missing it shouldn't be so bad to fix though.


How do I do that?

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